Novus_Opiate said:
He says the temptation came over him but for a brief moment. He wasn’t going to actually do it.Yeah I get that; what I don’t get is why it even came to that point to begin with? I mean we have to consider, it wasn’t simply a tempting thought, but those thoughts actually compelled Luke to pull out his lightsaber and ignite it! That’s so irrational of Luke. Sure, I bet killing Kylo is a thought would had crossed anyone’s mind if they learned Kylo’s taint of the darkside, but this is Luke here. I’d buy Luke was outside of Kylo’s hut, stewing back and forth of what to do and how to confront him; however again, it’s beyond me to think this temptation compelled Luke to pull out his lightsaber and stop himself from committing the murder at the last second.
dahmage said:
Luke’s final version and what is generally accepted as the true version has Luke go in to read kylo Ren’s mind. After seeing kylo rens darkness he has what he describes as a very brief moment of thinking that it would be better to kill him. And without thinking ignited his lightsaber and immediately, immediately regretted that decision.
No, again, it makes no sense. Luke in ROTJ was struggling between whether to kill Vader or redeem him, and yes, it came to that point where he was tempted to really finish Vader off, but he came to senses to not fall for the bait. So all these years later, that lesson he learned was for nothing…?I don’t get all these complaints that boil down to “Luke would never do that” (including disappearing in the first place) when we basically saw nothing that happened between the end of ROTJ and TFA/TLJ. People change, especially those that have suffered trauma. It’s the same complaint about Han that makes no sense either.
Sorry, but in movies you don’t change people’s characters off-screen unless it’s logical. Luke growing wiser and more confident between TESB and ROTJ is logical. Luke going from believing in his Nazi father to contemplating his nephews murder is not. Such a change of character needs to be explained more thoroughly. Given that so many don’t buy the way Luke behaves, I think it’s clear this part of the plot is underdeveloped.
There is no reason for Luke to believe in his Nazi father after ESB.
“But he felt the good in him!”
Yeah but didn’t he also feel the bad in Ben?
There is, because Luke has continually been shown to be a somewhat naive idealist. He risks his life in a suicide mission to destroy the Deathstar. He’s confident, he can make a difference in the battle of Hoth. He goes to save his friends, even though both Obi-Wan and Yoda say he should not. He has a history of believing in a positive outcome despite terrible odds. So in this context, him refusing to believe the father he’s been idealizing all his life is lost makes perfect sense. That was his character. That character would not contemplate the murder of Leia and Han’s son long enough to ignite his lightsaber. It’s the anti-thesis of his character in the OT, and thus requires explanation. Even Mark Hamill who played the character doesn’t buy it, and has gone on record on how he pictures scenarios that Luke lost his wife or something, to become the character he is in TLJ.
Again these criticisms make no sense. I’m sorry you have a problem with the fact that he hasn’t remained the same exact character for 30+ years and that he’s imperfect and relatable.
I don’t have a problem that he hasn’t remained the same character. I have a problem with changing a character off screen without a good explanation. That is inconsistent to me, and thus not relatable. It is a plot hole, and people criticizing plot holes, including the actor who played the character, make perfect sense.