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I’m pretty sure I would’ve enjoyed the movie even more had the major things not been spoiled to me.
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Yeah, Ackbar should have gone down fighting. Can’t imagine Ackbar being a dick to Poe though.
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 14
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I am feeling like these arguments from the people vehemently defending hating TLJ, they’re rationalizing. They want to hate it, and so are finding reasons to justify their position.
Yes, it seems some people have thrown reason out the window, and are being willfully obtuse about it.
This is unfair. I wanted to like it (I loved TFA) and I am openly jealous of those people who loved it, wishing I could be in their number. But I’m not.
The same argument could be levelled at some of the people who loved it despite its many glaring flaws. They ‘wanted to like it’ and so will say anything to convince others (and themselves).
Or maybe the above is bullshit and people just like different things… how about that?
My comment wasn’t in regards to everyone complaining about the film, just some.
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Yeah, Ackbar should have gone down fighting. Can’t imagine Ackbar being a dick to Poe though.
Or vice versa.
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Yeah, the new admiral had to be an unknown quantity for Poe for it to really work.
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And since I only really know Laura Dern from Jurassic Park, I thought raptors would show up and chase her. 😉
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And since I only really know Laura Dern from Jurassic Park, I thought raptors would show up and chase her. 😉
Frink, where is your TLR/TRJ thread so i Can tag this
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http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-VIII-The-Ridiculous-Jedi/id/58051
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They didn’t want to use a different voice actor for Ackbar after Erik Bauersfeld, who originally voiced him in ROTJ & TFA, died. Which is why he only had one line which was recorded at the time of TFA. I fully respect their decision on this.
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Holdo staying behind to be the ‘captain going down with the ship’ wasn’t well earned, as it was only really her ship for a couple of hours.
Someone on this site might correct me, but isn’t the Cruiser the same one that Ackbar commands in Return Of The Jedi? Having Ackbar stay behind to do the hyperspace ram would have been an epic end to a fan fave, far better than the derisory off screen death he recieved.
As for Ackbar not telling Poe the plan, that would be an easy fix - “loose lips sink battleships” and for a character who famously found himself in a trap before he’d be keeping tight lipped for sure!
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Someone on this site might correct me, but isn’t the Cruiser the same one that Ackbar commands in Return Of The Jedi? Having Ackbar stay behind to do the hyperspace ram would have been an epic end to a fan fave, far better than the derisory off screen death he recieved.
Argument that would be fan servicey though - and killing a fan fave out of nowhere raises the stakes that everyone is in danger at any time…
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They didn’t want to use a different voice actor for Ackbar after Erik Bauersfeld, who originally voiced him in ROTJ & TFA, died. Which is why he only had one line which was recorded at the time of TFA. I fully respect their decision on this.
They recast Peter Mayhew, they refilled R2 after Kenny Baker’s passing, a new muscle man wore the Vader suit, and they even brought back Peter Cushing. Life goes on, and having another voice artist provide the vocals for Admiral Ackbar would have meant no dishonour to the late Erik Bauersfeld.
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Holdo staying behind to be the ‘captain going down with the ship’ wasn’t well earned, as it was only really her ship for a couple of hours.
Someone on this site might correct me, but isn’t the Cruiser the same one that Ackbar commands in Return Of The Jedi? Having Ackbar stay behind to do the hyperspace ram would have been an epic end to a fan fave, far better than the derisory off screen death he recieved.
As for Ackbar not telling Poe the plan, that would be an easy fix - “loose lips sink battleships” and for a character who famously found himself in a trap before he’d be keeping tight lipped for sure!
I think the sacrificial lamb should have been Threepio. Firstly, it’s absurd that they didn’t use a droid for the final run. Secondly, I think Threepio has been woefully neglected as a character over the years. It would’ve been amazing to have Threepio go out in a blaze of glory. Imagine him saying something like “bravery is not part of my programming, but I will do what I must!” (or something)…
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Whoever voiced the Mon Calamari character in Rogue One didn’t sound too different from Ackbar.
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Threepio is always worried he’s going to be vaporized, he would have never volunteered for it.
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“The odds of me surviving are…zero. Oh my!”
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Holdo staying behind to be the ‘captain going down with the ship’ wasn’t well earned, as it was only really her ship for a couple of hours.
Someone on this site might correct me, but isn’t the Cruiser the same one that Ackbar commands in Return Of The Jedi? Having Ackbar stay behind to do the hyperspace ram would have been an epic end to a fan fave, far better than the derisory off screen death he recieved.
As for Ackbar not telling Poe the plan, that would be an easy fix - “loose lips sink battleships” and for a character who famously found himself in a trap before he’d be keeping tight lipped for sure!
I think the sacrificial lamb should have been Threepio. Firstly, it’s absurd that they didn’t use a droid for the final run. Secondly, I think Threepio has been woefully neglected as a character over the years. It would’ve been amazing to have Threepio go out in a blaze of glory. Imagine him saying something like “bravery is not part of my programming, but I will do what I must!” (or something)…
If there’s one thing Lucas never changed his mind on, it’s that the droids are supposed to be in all the episodes. I’d rather they keep it that way to the end of this trilogy at least.
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I for one absolutely loved it. I was initially surprised to see how divisive it is among fans, but I don’t give a damn about the haters and it became clear that they would whine no matter what because it’s different and not exactly what they envisioned. Just like they whined about TFA being too derivative. It’s a damned-if-you-do situation with these fans, clearly no pleasing some people.
All I care about is my own experience, and my expectations were completely blown away, to the point I actually now feel MUCH better about Disney’s control of the franchise and especially Rian Johnson’s future trilogy than I did before. This blew both TFA and especially Rogue One out of the water.
In fact I’d go so far as to say that it’s better than RotJ and therefore the best Star Wars film since 1980. As far as filmmaking quality alone goes — direction, acting, script, cinematography, etc. — it might well best even the original. Not prepared to say it’s actually better because the original will always be special, but damn was this a well-made film that was firing on all cylinders.
Damn near everything about it worked for me: Every risk paid off, every scene kept me gripped in a way its two predecessors could not (especially Rogue One). There might be a couple minor nitpicks as there are in the best of films, but they are totally overwhelmed by the positives. This was everything I wanted from a new Star Wars movie and then some things I didn’t even realize I wanted as well. (Like that scene with Kylo and Rey kicking ass that felt like it came out of a Tarantino film.) It was original, smart, emotional, exciting, and satisfying with JUST the right amount of nostalgia. For the first time since Empire, it really felt like I was watching something NEW in a Star Wars film that wasn’t just derivative, a true progression. That theme of “out with the old in with the new” was of course echoed in the film itself, and I can’t wait to see what comes next.
By the way, how anyone has a problem with Luke’s “death” scene is beyond me. The binary sunset shot with the music swelling sent chills down my spine. It was absolute perfection.
Mark just knocked it out of the park with this. I sincerely hope he gets an Oscar nomination. It would be a first for a Star Wars film?
Alec Guiness was nominated in ‘77. I think it would be only fitting if Hamill was as well. This was certainly the performance of his career, it’s just a shame it came so late in his career. Guy was absolutely slept on for decades without being given a chance to grow as an actor because he was forever typecast as the whiny Star Wars kid who wanted power converters. Which is a damn shame and completely unfair. He has grown into a far more formidable actor and easily had the potential for several great performances over the last three decades that have passed him by.
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They didn’t want to use a different voice actor for Ackbar after Erik Bauersfeld, who originally voiced him in ROTJ & TFA, died. Which is why he only had one line which was recorded at the time of TFA. I fully respect their decision on this.
They recast Peter Mayhew, they refilled R2 after Kenny Baker’s passing, a new muscle man wore the Vader suit, and they even brought back Peter Cushing. Life goes on, and having another voice artist provide the vocals for Admiral Ackbar would have meant no dishonour to the late Erik Bauersfeld.
Well , peter gave them his blessing and they credited him as chewie consultant, Kenny also gave his blessing for another actor to be in the tin can, Peter Cushings family gave their blessing. Eric Died when they started making TLJ.
Edit: seems this may not be true after all, just a rumour
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And since I only really know Laura Dern from Jurassic Park, I thought raptors would show up and chase her. 😉
Frink, where is your TLR/TRJ thread so i Can tag this
LOL! I needed a laugh today. Thanks for that.
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Was Peter in this one at all? Not like Chewie did a lot of running around in this.
I’m mildly disappointed in the low Wookiee ratio here.
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Was Peter in this one at all? Not like Chewie did a lot of running around in this.
I’m mildly disappointed in the low Wookiee ratio here.
I don’t think so, IIRC I think he was only credited as “Wookiee Consultant.” Which got a chuckle from me.
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I must have blinked and missed that. He is the expert after all. All the Episode III Wooks studied footage of him.
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He is the expert after all.
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Yeah, Ackbar should have gone down fighting. Can’t imagine Ackbar being a dick to Poe though.
Or vice versa.
They could have changed the way the dynamics between the two characters played out while still retaining the basic storyline (i.e Poe thinks the Admiral is making a mistake, Poe disobeys, then Admiral is proven right and ultimately sacrifices himself to save the resistance).
Poe clearly had reverence for Holdo before meeting her but was then disappointed by her actions. He could have easily felt the same way about Ackbar (this is the guy who led the Rebel fleet in the Battle of Endor and now his plan is basically to run away in unarmed transports… no way, the guy’s old and lost it, I’m taking over).
War does not make one great.