I just joined too, and so far I’ve been very welcome. Here, from my understanding, you’re treated the way you treat people. Don’t be an asshole, or rude, or annoying to anyone and you’ll be fine.
Someone who gets it!
And welcome aboard. : )
Thank you!
Depends on where he keeps it? If it was on the Death Star planet it’s toast now. If it was on Snoke’s ship, also probably toast.
Aboard the Finalizer, which, if I’m not mistaken, makes it out of the movie intact.
One thing is for sure, we all love Empire
that film is one of a kind truly epic thats a proper star wars film!
shame their won’t be something like that again!
Yeah, I will watch it again tomorrow as well. Perhaps I will warm up to it too, but I will say, that despite it’s weak execution in the prequels, Lucas’ six episode saga had some underlying themes of hope and redemption that have gone by the wayside with this installment, like for example Luke who transcended his masters’ pessimism by believing in his overtly evil father’s capacity for good, now contemplating killing his nephew for having dark thoughts, and Leia ultimately giving up on her son at the end of this film. I know most people wanted to originality for TLJ, but this seems like throwing out the baby with the bath water.
If you think they abandoned the theme of hope in this… I don’t know what to tell you but… watch the film again, I think you’ll see it’s very much there.
I actually think they went a bit out of their way trying to force the hope theme on us…
Luke preemptively wanting to kill his nephew, and Leia accepting her son is lost for me is the opposite of hopeful. It screams pessimism. Parents should not give up on their children, and given Luke’s experience with Vader, his behaviour is inconsistent.
Yeah, but the final scene with the boy, and how Luke said that the Jedi were going to end and then he said that he wouldn’t be the last Jedi, and that light would always come back. I don’t know, just seemed pretty hopeful to me. Even the rebels after suffering heavy casualties are still somewhat hopeful. But that’s jut what I got from it
One thing is for sure, we all love Empire
shame their won’t be something like that again!
I hope you’re wrong!!
I wish I could have been one of those people who loved The Last Jedi but I wasn’t.
The Luke/Rey/Kylo stuff was good (a few bum notes but generally good).
The Finn/Rose plot thread was particularly bad (like, prequel-level bad).
Everything else was just kind of lame.
(For the record, and for those who don’t know me, I’ve been a member of OT.com for 12 years and used to post regularly. Yes I’m mostly an OT fan, and no, I’m not a prequels fan, but I really enjoyed TFA and saw it 4 times on the big screen so I’m not a ‘screw this new disney stuff’ kind of guy either… it’s just that TJL was, in my opinion, a poor movie on some really basic levels like storytelling, characters, dialogue…)
War does not make one great.
joefavs said:
The best analogy I can come up with is that if these movies were Beatles albums, TFA is A Hard Day’s Night and TLJ is the white album.Great analogy!
Agree. Except I love both those albums.
I’ll definitely see TLJ again but can’t see it growing on me.
War does not make one great.
Holy hell did this movie have a onscreen body count.
And Admiral Ackbar. RIP
Who the heck is going to warn everyone about traps now?
Where were you in '77?
Holy hell did this movie have a onscreen body count.
And Admiral Ackbar. RIP
Who the heck is going to warn everyone about traps now?
Oh my god Akbar died?! How did I miss that!
Holy hell did this movie have a onscreen body count.
And Admiral Ackbar. RIP
Who the heck is going to warn everyone about traps now?
Oh my god Akbar died?! How did I miss that!
Thank goodness Nien Nunb survives on!
One thing is for sure, we all love Empire
that film is one of a kind truly epic thats a proper star wars film!
shame their won’t be something like that again!
That’s what I thought, and then I saw The Last Jedi, which, in my humble opinion (hate that expression), actually surpassed Empire. Heresy I know.
Not enough people read the EU.
Well that was …shit!
Yes Hot Rod! Haven’t seen you in years mate!
It was a bit shit wasn’t it?
War does not make one great.
It didn’t suck and it was better than The Force Awakens. Structural problems, certain comedy/fan servicey aspects, and pacing are an issue … but I appreciated that it’s a movie that does a few things that are unexpected, while actually making the force feel magical again and also including enough good character moments for everyone. Rose was kinda meh, score was kinda meh. But stuff with Luke and Leia was great. It was overall… good. Maybe not great, but above the average so I approve.
People are going to warm up to this one. It’ll take some time, because it’s so different. But it will happen.
I do hope you’re right. And maybe Ep9 will give this a new slant.
But you know what? I’ve heard this ‘it’s just different’ defence a lot, and that’s not why I didn’t like it. I didn’t like it because large chunks of it were lame, dialogue in places was awful, whole plots were redundant/cheesy/boring, etc. It didn’t just fall down for me as a SW film, it fell down on basic movie stuff too.
War does not make one great.
Mark Hamill has been a seriously underrated actor for far too long. (Even though he’s probably the best incarnation of The Joker ever.) He played Mozart in Amadeus on Broadway, but likely wasn’t even considered for the film version because he’s forever identified with Luke in a way Harrison Ford doesn’t have to deal with having been both Han and Indy.
Mark just knocked it out of the park with this. I sincerely hope he gets an Oscar nomination. It would be a first for a Star Wars film?
I waited 34 years to see Luke back in action, and it was worth the wait.
Hamill was by far the best thing about the film. I loved every minute he was on screen.
War does not make one great.
actually making the force feel magical again
Ok, on this point I 100% agree. Luke explaining the force to Rey was excellent.
War does not make one great.
Beautifully shot movie, specially on the important parts. It felt very barroque, carefully handed were it needed to be.
On the other hand, I don’t understand why all the meaningful inner conflicts between the characters that end up being decided with lightsabres fall on this trend of “epic” videogame settings. I’ve complained about this in TFA and have to complain again about it. The ridiculous stances, the over-pronounced and underlined open shots just translate to the scenery what should be happening and conveyed on the inner self of the characters. And I’m speaking of course of the Death of Han Solo in a gigantic bridge, dark, with rigid standing characters and just a beam of light. All methaphoric and at the same time, meaningless. And now the same with Luke’s duel with Kylo. Epic epic epicness!!!
Nope, not working for me. I just like better the way the scale of the sceneries is handled in the OT, were a son fighting his father or an apprentice killing his betrayer old master happens in just regular corridors, casual scenarios that better reflect the claustrophobia and conflict of the characters. What I saw is just too pronounced, too anime-like, too japanese for me.
The opposite principle applied to how they handled Yoda, that for the first time in 40 years came back to be the one we’ve met in ESB. And I like how they de-mythified Luke, for the exact same reasons. The conflicts reflected in SWs movies are conflicts most of us have and I (western) can relate better to a master that laughs and makes jokes, or to shouting to my parents in a room sized space than to facing some one “very very evil” that’s just a wounded boy or a broken old man in the unlikely scenario of an open war battle.
Rebels duel between Obi Wan and Maul feels 150% more Star Warsy to me than this.
Yet it somehow helped to convey a meaningful end to Luke’s character (even if I don’t agree at all with his arc and less even knowing what we know of Luke from the OT) that’s now definitely established as one of the most powerful Jedi Knights in history. And that is somewhat satisfying, and more it is due to how those last shots in Ach To are framed.
From a plot POV, regardless of what happens in the movie, the Star Wars mythos I liked and loved just is no more. OT was the story in different levels (political, romance, and the individual story of Luke) of the conflict between Destiny and Free Will. That’s the story of the conflict within the western traditional culture. And from that point of view Star Wars was somehow an medieval european fairy tale in space.
Literally, since we knew from the beginning how it was going to end, the Prequels were just the story of a man meeting his (faustian) Destiny.
Now this Sequel Trilogy, considering what’s established in TLJ through different layers has lost that dimension of conflict the OT had and has balanced decidedly to the free will side. Rey’s nobody. Kylo gets rid of the past and just decides to make something new. The old world must be torn apart and something new is to come. Same with all the cinematic conventions of a Star Wars movie, all abandoned. Everyone makes his own future. A new future.
It’s a new mythos. An american , openly capitalist mythos and one that absolutely matches the size and identity of the corporation owning Lucasfilm thesedays and gets on the bus with just every turn down the past theme it can: Luke milking because tits are to be shown, Rey claiming Kylo to put something on because of feminism, diversity in the cast because we don’t want to offend nobody, care for the animals because, the moral compass is no more because now everything is accepted, etc. I could go on in a conservative rant that just doesn’t necessarily reflect my opinion on those subjects.
Only that fairy tales are traditional culture and thus they’re expected to have a rearguard metamessage. And this clearly has a more avant-gard message.
And it’s a mythos that I’m just not interested in hearing anymore. And even less when it’s stripped off the characters I’ve grown with.
Perhaps because I’m growing old. If someone at Disney reads this, bring me back my old beloved characters. Luke, Leia, Han, Yoda, ObiWan and Vader. And stop the political bullshit, fire Kennedy and her agenda if necessary. Tantrum thrown.
That’s a pretty funny take, I don’t even disagree with some of it (even if my reaction is the opposite), but I don’t know how you can call the film “openly capitalistic” when it’s basically the only Star Wars film that openly criticizes capitalism.
Interesting, as Lucas did spend some time in Japan in the early 70’s and fans have speculated about the anime influence on Star Wars ever since. I certainly saw elements of Star Wars in Space Battleship Yamato when it reached American tv’s as Star Blazers.
What’s wrong with being nice to animals others are clearly abusing for their own pleasure and greed? Nothing political about that. ROTJ hung on being nice to teddy bears.
I think Rey is just modest about seeing her nemesis half naked. 😉
Where were you in '77?
Yeah wait how is being anti-animal cruelty a political thing?
The movie definitely has an anti-Porg agenda. Chewie probably kept the ones that infiltrated the Falcon around for the eggs. 😉
Where were you in '77?
That’s a pretty funny take, I don’t even disagree with some of it (even if my reaction is the opposite), but I don’t know how you can call the film “openly capitalistic” when it’s basically the only Star Wars film that openly criticizes capitalism.
I said it is a capitalist mythos, not that the movie is openly capitalistic.
At some point in history, the medieval notion of history as a cycle that repeats itself over and over or even as a decaying cycle got replaced by a linear-progressive conception of civilization. The man of the XIX century considered himself as more civilized than the man from the XVIII and so on.
Think of Obi Wan saying the lightsabre was a weapon from a better era.
Now think of Luke implying that the Jedi of tomorrow will be better than the Jedi of yesterday.
It’s a diametrically opposite message. And it conveys a diametrically opposite aura or mythos for the movie.
That’s for myself. Regarding your comment, you mean it openly criticises capistalism because it shows rich people in the casino arc?
Nope, nothing wrong with being nice to animals. Only that it is a thing or a theme from OUR era. Not something that fits the era Star Wars is set in. From that point of view yes, it is political.
Once the USSR government made a El Quijote movie, refreshed with marxist themes. At some point it ceased to be El Quijote and was just an open alegory of those day’s debate. And then it just wasn’t a movie about a spanish hero anymore.
And you might ask me what era is star wars set in since it is basically escapism.
And that falls on everyone’s personal perspective. But as I said, to me SW is a fairy tale, a mostly traditional fairy tale. No one cared about animal’s rights back then.
It just felt off to me, just as the Ewoks, or the Opera scene in ROTS.
That’s a pretty funny take, I don’t even disagree with some of it (even if my reaction is the opposite), but I don’t know how you can call the film “openly capitalistic” when it’s basically the only Star Wars film that openly criticizes capitalism.
Regarding your comment, you mean it openly criticises capistalism because it shows rich people in the casino arc?
It doesn’t just show them, it explains how their selfishness is responsible for war and suffering. It’s a small aspect of the film but it’s there.
We’re not here at all to discuss capitalism, but criticizing the greedy and opulent rich people is essentially what led to the french revolution that installed and legitimized the burgeois class in continental Europe…
There’s no conflict between criticizing those above you and capitalism, exactly because capitalism is based on the idea that if you do things right, you should be granted the right to escalate in the social pyramid