That is what they were trying to do, arrest him, I think.
And the sick Simon Says game was just part of the arrest, right?
As I said. I don’t agree with that part and don’t understand they just didn’t order the guy to lay flat and search him and then arrest him in that position. But I am not a cop, perhaps there is a good reason for not doing that I don’t know about.
This doubt is unreasonable.
What should they have done? approach a suspect that could have been armed and try to arrest him and risk getting shot?
Yes. They’re taught that one officer to is supposed to aim at the suspect and provide cover while the other officer moves up to make the arrest.
You realize that if the suspect does something that requires the officer to fire while the other officer is in position to make the arrest, he be firing right in the direction of the officer making the arrest, right?
Cop 1 goes around the left, Bodycam Cop keeps his aim on Shaver. It would be a little risky, though, you’re right. I think it would’ve been safest to move him towards the end of the hallway, which looks much more open and conducive to a safe arrest.
- the average untrained citizen does not understand everything about police work. Sometimes they may do something that does not make sense to the untrained person but makes perfect sense to the trained person.
Oh, so it is just part of the arrest, how silly of me to think that I could possibly understand. I just don’t have a high enough IQ to understand these incredibly complex 16th dimension tactics. Bullshit. Do we really have to know the ins and outs of police work to recognize that this was wrong?
It not a matter of not having a high enough IQ, it is a matter of not having the training and knowledge that comes with. Of course you if you say down with cops
I’m not saying “down with cops,” I respect cops for the most part; but I also think they should be held to a higher standard, and that their job is too important not to be scrutinized.
Tell me, how you like someone to judge how well you do your job, with having your training and without knowing the ins and outs of your job?
My job isn’t nearly as important or potentially dangerous. Allowing bad cops to go unchecked creates a dangerous precedent.
- watching a video again and again and again and perhaps in slow motion and being able to think all day about what the cop should have done while being safe and calm is not the same as the cop himself watching events fold out in real time having make decisions in split seconds with adrenaline pumping and heart beating and knowing if he makes a mistake he could get shot or another cop could get shot and having only one chance to get it right. Remember when that guy put his hand behind his back, the cop couldn’t just stop the video like we can and ponder what he should do before he hits play again.
The cops put themselves in that situation by fucking around with the suspect and not getting on with the arrest.
Again, I am not sure why they were going through with all that instead of ordering the guy to lay flat and search him and arrest him. Again knowing what happened before the camera started rolling would help and would speaking to cops and finding out about the proper tactics in these situations.
According to the article, Shaver immediately exited the room and complied with their demands.
EDIT: Sorry if this came across as too angry, but I really am tired of the gymnastics people will do to defend some cops. And I’m doubly tired of the “they felt threatened” get-out-of-jail-free card.
Well maybe cops are tired of being presumed guilty all time by people with no training and no real knowledge of police work.
I’m not presuming anything, I’m coming to a conclusion based on the evidence.
I agree they shouldn’t a " ‘they felt threaten’ get-out-of-jail-free card", but maybe they also shouldn’t have to live in fear that their lives will be ruined just be cause they had to act to defend their lives and/or that of their partner.
If they conduct themselves properly, there’s no reason to worry. This was not conducted properly,
Maybe with everyone out to get the cops, assuming they are just a bunch bigots out to get black people,
You’re ascribing views to me that I don’t hold.