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That's funny because the first DVD release was by Anchor Bay and I'd've sworn that digibits has been saying that the SE was Anchor Bay as well. Oh well. C'est la vie. Whoever it is, just get the damn set out!
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Nah, first release was some fly-by-night called Pacific Family Entertainment, which claimed it had the rights to the film, but was actually rights-squatting. BU had to issue a cease-and-desist to PFE. It's really quite the legal nightmare. I was going to write a paper on it, but since nothing's gone to court, I have no research to use.

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okay is it just me or did anyone notice the huge screwup in The Terminator??

so John Connor is the son of Klye right?
and Klye knew John in the future right?
well how is that possible unless Klye came back before the movie and inpregnated Sarah Connor?

i dont know if im totally lost on this or not but i saw the movie a couple days ago and was a bit confused!
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That's the whole paradox behind Terminator. John knows he has to send Kyle back or he won't exist. Kyle doesn't necessarily know this. In fact, it's likely he doesn't as it might put a bit of a strain on their friendship. It's a big mad cycle. He just keeps going back all the time unless he were to somehow be killed in the war in which case John would summarily disappear.
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This is why T2 had to take place within the time frame of the original loop; if that wasn't the case, John Connor wouldn't have been a character, because he wouldn't exist.

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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
okay is it just me or did anyone notice the huge screwup in The Terminator??

so John Connor is the son of Klye right?
and Klye knew John in the future right?
well how is that possible unless Klye came back before the movie and inpregnated Sarah Connor?

i dont know if im totally lost on this or not but i saw the movie a couple days ago and was a bit confused!


Thats how time travel works. The Terminator and Kyle were always there in 1984. There was never any timeline without him. I hate you calling this a screw up. This is a great story idea that I loved about the movie for then anything else. The time in the Terminator movies is the same timeline that happened before Kyle went through time. Notice in Terminator 3 everything happens exactly as Kyle said it would.
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I don't think he really meant to call it a screw up. However it can seem that way to someone who doesn't understand the concept of the space-time continuum and time paradoxes and the like.
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Yeah this is a classic Sci-fi staple dating back to the 40s and further even. When the story was first told in the old SF Weird pulps, the main idea was to play with science and its dark side (what with the atomic age and all).

The simplest version has a young scientist being visited by an old man from the future. The old man has a dying time machine and needs the young scientist's help in repairing it. This he does, but before the old man takes off, the scientist (excited by a real-life time machine) tries to take the blueprints for it. The old man stops him, but only manages to grab half as he goes back (presumably) to the future. The young scientist, left with only half of the plans dedicates the rest of his life to accomplish time travel, and with half of the amazing technology in hand he feels confident he will achieve it. Fast forward, the scientist who is no longer young, is very old, but is about to complete his time machine. He tries it out, and it works! But something goes wrong, he is too old to fix it now and the only person who is smart enough to help him is a younger version of himself. He visits his young self and together they repair the machine. The old man is about to take off when his young self tries to take the blueprints for the time machine. His young self manages to grab half as the old man zips back to the future. The old man now realizes that the old man he saw from the future when he was younger was himself. Checking the old half blueprint he grabbed from back them perfectly matches the rip in the half he is left with now. But how can that be? Where did the technology from the time-travel come from? Where did the idea for time-travel come from? Not from himself, it was the old guy and the old guy's technology that did it. But he is the old guy!

Basically, if you think about logically, the story is impossible. It has no beginning and no end. That is what makes it a logical paradox. The circular time-travel theory is fun, but has no bearing on reality as its basic premise is to viloate and cicumvent cause and effect.

T2 is a whole other story. It follows the branching Time-travel theory or multiple Time-line history theory. In T2, you can go back in time and mess with everything as this will change the future and create a new branch in history, meaning history would have originally went one way, but because you changed it, it will now go another way. Or with multiple Time-lines, every change to history you make creates another time line and that is the one you are currently in (the other older time-line still exists, but you're not in it anymore. With this theory rather than changing history around you, it is you moving from one time-line to the next).

With T3, ehh. T3 was mostly a comedy. It doesn't take the sci-fi stuff seriously.
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Actually thats one of the biggest reasons I liked Terminator 1 much more then Terminator 2. I believe in the circular time theroy. It makes much more sense then messing the past. There is no way to alter events. A neverending loop is how I imagine Time travel works. You can't change to past. Destiny is the will of God and no time machine can change that. It has to happen because it already did. This principle is used in several Sci fi movies. Animorphs, Gargoyles, Timeline, and Kate and Leopold. Though the Terminator does it best. I personally think its more logical and probable then any past changing idea.
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Terminator does definitely do it best. Kate & Leopold and Timeline sucked hard.

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Kate and Leopold was a romantic comedy my sisters showed me. I hate those kind of movies so Kate and Leopold gets a reward for not totally sucking. Timeline was also not a good movie but it was Ok.
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lol
im still confused on how John originally came to be born...
like the "real" time he was actually born...
your saying that Klye existed even before that?
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lol
im still confused on how John originally came to be born...
like the "real" time he was actually born...
your saying that Klye existed even before that?


In a word ... yes.

When John was conceived, his father Kyle Reese was always a man from the future, who technically had not been born yet. If you look at the story from Kyle's point of view its easier. All you do is get born, be raised in a time of machine apocalypse, grow up, fight the machines, go back in time/or if you prefer, go to another place, meet Sarah, fall in love, father a child and give up your life for your loved one(s). You still had a pretty good straight forward life.

The complete circle theory is a logic puzzle. It's not possible, It's a logic theory, not an actual time travel theory, kinda like the first Back to the Future.
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Actually thats one of the biggest reasons I liked Terminator 1 much more then Terminator 2. I believe in the circular time theroy. It makes much more sense then messing the past. There is no way to alter events. A neverending loop is how I imagine Time travel works. You can't change to past. Destiny is the will of God and no time machine can change that. It has to happen because it already did. This principle is used in several Sci fi movies. Animorphs, Gargoyles, Timeline, and Kate and Leopold. Though the Terminator does it best. I personally think its more logical and probable then any past changing idea.

If this is how you feel, you really should read Michael Crichton's Timeline. From what I've heard, the way it's described in the book just blows away the movie. I've read the book and know that how he describes it all is really amazing. However, I haven't seen the movie so I can't make the comparison myself.
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Movies always oversimplify anyways. I concur with Bossk; read Timeline. The way it describes time travel boggles the mind.

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At least, not on the grand scale that chaos theory would have us believe.

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Thats what I believe PSYCHO_DAYV. This is a great disscussion but it is off topic and we are going to have to get back on topic people. Anther dream DVD would be the first season of Married with Children with good extras and picture quality that doesn't totally suck.
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THANK YOU SWEYLAND FOR A PERFECT EXPLANATION!!
you da man!!


another dream DVD of mine is the movie explorers which im sure ive mentioned here tons of times...
ahhh and of course my beloved Battle of Endor...
i managed to get a VHS rip off the net... great movie... hehe
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No probs Luke, just happy to help .

Yeah, I gotta admit I'm a sucker for Ewoks, that's why I still love the original ending to Jedi.

For my dream DVD, I wish someone would release The Monster Squad in OAR DVD. I love that movie.
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Was The Monster Squad the one with the line, "woah, the Wolfman's got nards!"
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I know this is off topic and I apologize for this but Sweyland the ewoks fucking suck. They made Jar Jar look like Indiana Jones. They were horrible. I never saw any of the ewok movies and never want to.

On topic another dream DVD would be a better DVD of the Harry Pottor movies. I hate those games they sucked. I hated the first DVD making you have to play the games to watch the deleted scenes. If it wasn't for those scenes I would throw away the second disc. The second DVD faired alot better in both picture and extras but still was flawed in many areas.
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Was The Monster Squad the one with the line, "woah, the Wolfman's got nards!"


You best Bossk! There are ton of great lines and fun moments throughout the film (blowing up the wolfman, the fat kid taking on Dracula's brides, a friendly Frankenstein). A lot of stuff (including slayers) like the style and humour seemed to have been lifted from this movie for Joss Wheddon's Buffy mythos.
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