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Post #1133174

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Valheru_84
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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21-Nov-2017, 4:40 AM

MaximRecoil said:

  • Rey immediately is an (untrained) formidable marks man hitting everything at a great distance while…

It’s “markswoman” you sexist misognyst!

😛 (kidding)

But no, Rey is not a Mary Sue. There are some definite convenient coincidences and plot holes when measured against the OT lore but they are plainly just lazy plot devices or writing.

I’m not sure where the sexist and misognyst claims about using the Mary Sue descriptor come from on this site though as it’s the first place I’ve encountered such comments about it. I don’t link any particular gender with it when I see it used (despite the obviously female name due to I believe the term’s origins) except for the gender of the person it is being referred to by. It’s simply a term describing the way a character is written into a story.

You could use the Gary Stu term for a male if you wanted to be more politically correct but the original term has long been gender nonspecific and therefore should be used without fear of offending anyone anyway. As long as it is being used in the spirit and sense of the term’s meaning I’m not ever going to be offended by it’s use in constructive debate. If I were to detect that it is being used with inappropriate intent though to be purposefully sexist or offensive then I would object and reprimand the abuser.

The matter simply strikes me as another example of misplaced and overzealous feminism where you can’t say a female character is a Mary Sue simply because they both originate from the female gender. It’s like you can’t say an orange is orange and instead must instead say it yellow with purple polka dots to avoid offending everyone, even though you would just as soon say a mandarin is orange as well…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Often, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment. They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience. Sometimes, the name is reserved only for women, but more often the name is used for both sexes.

I do understand it can be an easy throw away statement for some people when debating an issue that clearly doesn’t fit the picture, but I would just respectfully state that you disagree and move on as we’ve all seen how debates devolve into petty arguments when going back on forth on whether someone qualifies as a Mary Sue or arguing the merits of using such a term as we are seeing here.

.Val