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MaximRecoil
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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21-Nov-2017, 2:30 AM

adywan said:

Wrong. She attempts to fire the pistol at the Maz’s castle attack and forgets the safety is on. Then fires and misses before hitting the trooper and then runs away when the other troopers start firing.

Exactly. She goes from a complete novice who has never fired a gun, to an expert after missing just one shot (every subsequent shot was a hit).

And Rey never fires the turret at any time in the movie. Finn is the one using the turret gun

He said “aim the turret while piloting”, which she most certainly did, in one of the most blatant Mary Sue moments of the whole movie.

Rey does not leave out of loyalty. The second they escape the planet, and throughout, she wants to return home but circumstances prevent this. It’s only later on in the film that she decides to stay.

No one was after her initially, they were after the BB8 droid. If not for loyalty to the droid and to Finn she could have simply gone about her scavenging business and she wouldn’t have been involved in any of the events.

And yet he was able to masterfully fly an X-wing, a ship that he had no experience with and had only ever flown a speeder in atmosphere, whereas Rey had said she had piloted ships, albeit only in atmosphere as well…

Luke didn’t masterfully fly the X-wing. He almost crashed (“I got a little cooked but I’m okay”) and was saved by others from being shot down, most notably by Han Solo when Darth Vader had him locked on target and was about to pull the trigger. Additionally, Biggs vouched for Luke when the leader questioned whether he could handle the X-wing: “Sir, Luke is the best bush pilot in the outer rim territories,” which establishes that his existing piloting experience is relevant to piloting an X-wing.

The term “Mary Sue” is a misogynistic term,

That assertion has already been confuted, which negates it. The definition refers to a type of character, without regard to the character’s sex:

A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Often, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment.[1] They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience. Sometimes, the name is reserved only for women, but more often the name is used for both sexes. A male can also be referred to as a Gary Stu, but more commonly either sex is called a Mary Sue. [2][3]

no matter how much you want to pussy foot around it by saying its used for men too. Because it isn’t anywhere near as often as it is towards a female character. . It was used against Rey for the sole fact that she was female by all those idiots that saw her as nothing more than the “Disney agenda” of giving females a strong role. Same crap was thrown at the main character of Rogue One. The second someone uses the term “Mary sue” invalidates any argument.

First of all, the term isn’t applied to many characters at all (at least not correctly), because Mary Sue characters typically only exist in bad fan fiction which hardly anyone reads. Note that no one (that I know of) calls Ellen Ripley from Alien, or Sarah Connor from Terminator 2 a Mary Sue. I haven’t seen any significant number of people referring to the main character of Rogue One as a Mary Sue either. Rey turned the formerly obscure “Mary Sue” term into a household term, even though she wasn’t even close to being the first female lead in a major movie. This negates your assertions, but more importantly, your demonstrably false premise negates your assertions.