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Well, you could always donate, and then all will be forgiven.

Oops, time to go to bed - I guess I'll take your earlier advice.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Man this is a hoot. Revenge of the Sith is doing record business and they're complaining about piracy? If a film is big enough, then the piracy doesn't hurt it because it makes so much money. If a film (or song or whatever) is small time, then it's not big time enough to be bootlegged widely, and the free publicity is worth it. Seriously. I don't see the problem. I've seen the movie twice, am going to see it a 3rd time, and am buying a copy in November. I haven't downloaded it, but certainly will not pick on anyone who does as long as they've paid good money to see it and will buy a legal copy at a later time.
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Sleep now my child, bad dreams are only bad dreams, what a time you chose to be born......
"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."
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I've seen a glimpse of this download and the quality itself does Star Wars and injustice so I am not sure why GL would even bother since he seems determined to rid himself of Star Wars now that this installment has made him fat change and it brings the PT to a close. It is watchable but the compression alone shows in the video. It's one for your diehard fans who will see it a dozen times and purchase the DVD when it arrives so If I was GL I would be happy knowing that even @ it's quality level people are still interested in it.........I guess one never knows when to just take things as they come and be thankful for "what once was their dream" has not only helped them and their life but helped satisfy others who share in the dream.

Did that make sense??? I think it did.......lol!!!

Peace all!!!!
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When are they going to go after the biggest offenders of all; i.e. that "sacred", untouchable institution known as the "public library"? There really is no difference here in regard to the concept itself. A bootlegger uploads a movie or a song and a bunch of people can see or hear it for free. A library buys a book or a movie and the whole city can read or see it for free.

So downloading a movie is technically illegal. So what? Contradictory application of the laws (the beloved libraries vs. bootleggers for example) makes them null and void as an ethical or moral issue as far as I am concerned.
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Originally posted by: Zebonka
Man this is a hoot. Revenge of the Sith is doing record business and they're complaining about piracy? If a film is big enough, then the piracy doesn't hurt it because it makes so much money. If a film (or song or whatever) is small time, then it's not big time enough to be bootlegged widely, and the free publicity is worth it. Seriously. I don't see the problem. I've seen the movie twice, am going to see it a 3rd time, and am buying a copy in November. I haven't downloaded it, but certainly will not pick on anyone who does as long as they've paid good money to see it and will buy a legal copy at a later time.


There are a couple of flaws here. Big film or small film, in this day and age they can be bootlegged easily using distro channels. ROTS box-office take has no bearing on whether they should complain or not. When the 'legs' on this film die off, you can easily blame that on the bootlegs as people going to their bootlegs for the 2nd or third viewings rather than going back to see it again.

You are trying to rationalize a crime because they did something else. When they buy the DVD, they are paying to watch that DVD. When they buy a movie ticket, there is a time printed on it. That's the time they paid to see it. It doesn't give the the right to watch it whenever they want, as many times as they want.

I've been over this on numerous boards, but basically it all boils down to stealing. Are we all guilty of it? Sure. Is there any rationale way to explain it off? No. You are in possession of stolen, illegal goods and if the MPAA wants to stop this sort of thing, put the fear of God in a couple high school or teenage kids running these distros and that should do the trick. Federal prison in Indiana is no picnic.

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^ Agreed. ^

"the "public library"? There really is no difference here in regard to the concept itself....A library buys a book or a movie and the whole city can read or see it for free."

Did you forget the part about the library "buying" the book? How many libraries do you know of that make thousands of copies of the book available for people to take home and keep?

There are quite a number of differences.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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MPAA Press Release (.doc)

Seems this New round against individuals is not receiving much major press yet, only story seems to be:
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=816

"Today, it appears the MPAA is renewing is campaign against individuals. In a press release titled "MOVIE STUDIOS VS. INTERNET MOVIE THIEVES, ROUND FIVE!" the MPAA reiterated its "You can click, but you can't hide" propaganda.

These lawsuits are helping us raise awareness about the consequences of stealing movies using the Internet, said Senior Vice President and Director of Worldwide Anti-Piracy John G. Malcolm. There is something very disturbing about the fact that major blockbuster hits such as Star Wars III are available illegally on the Internet before they are even released in movie theaters. People swapping movies illegally online need to understand that this is theft and they will be held accountable.

According to the copyright law, the MPAA can seek anywhere from $30,000 to $150,000 for each movie distributed; depending on the intent of the individual. The MPAA did not state how many people were sued, or which networks they were participating on."
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
^ Agreed. ^

"the "public library"? There really is no difference here in regard to the concept itself....A library buys a book or a movie and the whole city can read or see it for free."

Did you forget the part about the library "buying" the book? How many libraries do you know of that make thousands of copies of the book available for people to take home and keep?

There are quite a number of differences.


Yeah!! Why if the library charged people for checking out books and videos and didn't pay additional royalties to the copyright holders they would be CRIMINALS... well, or BLOCKBUSTER... or HOLLYWOOD VIDEO... or.... wait... maybe THAT'S why I refuse to rent movies!

( the model is this at rental chains folks: The studios cut Blockbuster a big-ass deal because they will buy a DVD release in volume. Your $15 msrp DVD costs Blockbuster maybe $2. The studios get a huge chunk of change in advance and are happy and don't give a rat's ass about the copyrights from there on out. Blockbuster turns around and after overhead probably makes $2 profit on each DVD rental... and they rent them over and over and over and over. The studio made $2 (time 10,000 or whatever) but BBV mighgt turn around and make $200 profit off of that DVD over its shelf life. Then they turn around and sell it 'pre-viewed' to someone for $6-10. And why don't the studios want a cut of each rental? Hmmmm...??? Perhaps because they already made one guaranteed sale of a product in its 'final' format as far as they're concerned. It used to be different when a mom-and-pop video rental store had to pay $100-120 each for a single VHS tape. The studios could still make an ass-load off a single tape sale and the little store had to rent and rent and rent just to break even... and hope someone didn't physically steal their tape. Grrrr.... )
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Didn't blockbuster have a different deal with regards to DVD? I recall the studios not being to happy about it (apparently the agreement referred solely to VHS), and withholding some releases. "Bring It On" is one release that comes to mind.

I used to know the specifics, but it's been awhile.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Didn't blockbuster have a different deal with regards to DVD? I recall the studios not being to happy about it (apparently the agreement referred solely to VHS), and withholding some releases. "Bring It On" is one release that comes to mind.

I used to know the specifics, but it's been awhile.


The was a ploy by BBV to make the studios release DVDs to them BEFORE the general public release date but that got blasted down as the studios didn't want to lose the direct consumer market. A nice slap in the face of BBV, IMHO!
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
^ Agreed. ^

"the "public library"? There really is no difference here in regard to the concept itself....A library buys a book or a movie and the whole city can read or see it for free."

Did you forget the part about the library "buying" the book? How many libraries do you know of that make thousands of copies of the book available for people to take home and keep?

There are quite a number of differences.

There are no differences in the concept. If I buy a movie, I can not then set up a site to stream it for free to people, even if I only allow one person to stream it at a time. I also can not have a public showing of the movie without specifically paying for that right. In both cases, the people who got to see the movie for free didn't [necessarily] end up owning a copy and in both cases the copy was originally paid for. It is no different than what a library does. BTW, libraries don't pay extra for their copies of books; in fact, they get a discount typically. They can also accept book or movie donations, which can then be read or viewed by as many who want to, for free.

About movie rental places and movie theaters as mentioned by someone else in the post, the rights to distribute or show publically in the manner that they do are paid for via license fees; though I don't know of all the details, never having been in the movie rental or theater business or anything.
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Someone managed to get hold of two different copys of Sith on DVD for me. One has the timecode at the top, the other doesn't. Both have pretty good sound and picture, both play fine on my DVD player. I've watched the film at least 5 or 6 six times since it was given to me.
I watched the film twice in the cinema, and will be going again.
I'll buy the official DVD when it comes out in November.
Does this make me a bad person.... No.
Have I paid enough to Lucas to warrant me having the bootleg DVDs...Yes.
If the picture and sound were so bad that I could'nt see or hear anything I would have given them back. But for now, as a stop gap untill the official DVDs are out, they will do fine.

I don't see the harm.

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"There are no differences in the concept. If I buy a movie, I can not then set up a site to stream it for free to people, even if I only allow one person to stream it at a time."

Let's make this very clear:

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"The unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this copyrighted work is illegal. Criminal copyright infringement, including infringement without monetary gain, is investigated by the FBI and is punishable by up to five years in federal prison and a fine of $250,000."


When you "buy" your movie, you are not authorized to distribute it - even to one person at a time. Some Video companies will make a copy of your SW laserdiscs if you give them your own personal laserdiscs, meaning you own the actual media. Many VHS-to-DVD transfer companies will place your favorite songs on your DVD if you send in your own copy of the CD.

Libraries, on the other hand, have limited authorization in distributing copyrighted work, so long as it is returned. Libraries with copiers have all sorts of posted warnings about what you can and cannot copy, and to what extent. In this same manner, DVD rental shops have limited authorization as well. You, on the other hand, only have the right to personal home viewing. This is a crucial distinction that you need to keep in mind.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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When you "buy" your movie, you are not authorized to distribute it - even to one person at a time.
Which is exactly what I just said here:
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If I buy a movie, I can not then set up a site to stream it for free to people, even if I only allow one person to stream it at a time. I also can not have a public showing of the movie without specifically paying for that right.

I'm not sure why you are repeating after me...
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Libraries, on the other hand, have limited authorization in distributing copyrighted work, so long as it is returned.
I know they do. I never claimed they were breaking the law. I said that the concept is the same as what bootleggers [illegally] do; and the authorization for them to do it is arbitrary which makes the application of the law, contradictory. Reread what I said here again:
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So downloading a movie is technically illegal. So what? Contradictory application of the laws (the beloved libraries vs. bootleggers for example) makes them null and void as an ethical or moral issue as far as I am concerned.

See, a library does its bootlegging activities legally and I never questioned the legality. So if what bootleggers do is not moral or ethical, then what the libraries do is also not moral or ethical; and vice-versa; because the actions and results regarding what bootleggers do and what libraries do, are fundamentally the same.

If anyone has a moral issue with bootleggers, they have to have a moral issue with libraries as well, or else their reasoning is internally contradictory ("selective reasoning"). If anyone tries to justify the laws pertaining to bootleggers (rather than admit that they are simply arbitrary) then they also have to admit that the same arguments that attempt to justify the laws against bootlegging are equally valid against the activities of libraries.

If you support the laws against bootlegging for any other reason beyond "well, it's the law" and at the same time, think that libraries do no wrong, then you have contradicted yourself, by default.
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Hardcore Legend, you missed my point which was:

WHO CARES?
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If you don't, then why even post questions in this thread?

Nevermind. Who cares, right?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Good point, Zebonka. The only ones who really do are the studios and their enforcement arm, the MPAA. They are bent on controlling every aspect of their "property" and how the consumer can use it. Defiance of this heavy handed business model is part of the reason why pirate groups like Centropy and TUN exist. The studios cried wolf when the VCR became popular, and it ended up being one of their greatest sources of revenue. Same holds true with p2p apps-the studios will either adapt to using them or something similar or fall way behind the times with their 1970's business model. I will admit it is a "crime" to download/view unauthorized copies, but our western society is too quick to simply label it "wrong" because it's illegal. Few things in life are that black and white and this issue is no exception.
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For those who like homework (and don't we all!) you should spend a few years reading through http://www.copyright.gov/. Its a tangled, tangled web of legality... and very very interesting. You can also look up all copyrights that are on record currently with the gov.

And as a point of curiosity, if anyone wishes to petition for the distribution of the glorious SW Holiday Special... Lucas and LFL apparently DO NOT hold the copyright for it:

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1. Registration Number: PA-22-826
Title: The Star wars holiday special / a aSmith-Hemion production ; in association with aTwentieth Century-Fox Television ; director, Steve Binder ; producers, Ken Welch, Joe Layton & Mitzie Welch.
Imprint: [s.l. : s.n.], c1978.
Description: 2 videocassettes (120 min.) : sd., col. ; 3/4 in.
Note: Based on the motion picture Star wars. Deposit includes synopsis (1 p.)CRED: Written by Rod Warren, Bruce Vilanch, Pat Proft, Leonard Ripps & Mitzie Welch; music composed & conducted by Ian Fraser.
Claimant: Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation
Created: 1978
Published: 13Nov78
Registered: 20Nov78
Author on © Application: acTwentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation, employer for hire.
Previous Related Version: Motion picture "Star wars" prev. reg. LP47760.
Special Codes: 4/X/L

2. Registration Number: PAu-92-666
Title: The Star wars holiday special : as broadcast 11-17-78 / written by Rod Warren, Bruce Vilanch, Pat Proft, Leonard Ripps, and Mitzie Welch.
Description: 164 p.
Note: Teleplay based on the motion picture Star wars.
Claimant: acTwentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation
Created: 1978
Registered: 13Dec78
Author on © Application: Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation, employer for hire.
Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: teleplay.
Special Codes: 3/D


Looks like Fox owns it lock, stock and barrel... now that they have no more SW films to distribute for Lucas, perhaps they'll be persuaded to release it!
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I can't think of a single good reason to release that turkey - except to make money off of people who simply don't know what they are in for.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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It will never happen-GL and crew won't allow it, even though they may not own the rights. The HS is an embarrassment to them.
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Greeno have you ever seen the Holiday Special. Fucking Wookie porn on the TV, singing and shit.


MAKE IT STOP FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST!!!!!


but i do like the way George can't stand it maybe we should make copies of it and send to his doorstep just to piss him off.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I can't think of a single good reason to release that turkey - except to make money off of people who simply don't know what they are in for.


And that's EXACTLY why it might be released some day... after all- how many versions of 'American Pie' or 'Fast and Furious' etc are there?

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It will never happen-GL and crew won't allow it, even though they may not own the rights. The HS is an embarrassment to them.


Now that they don't have to worry about fighting for SW films distribution rights don't put it past them... seriously!

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Greeno have you ever seen the Holiday Special. Fucking Wookie porn on the TV, singing and shit.


Not only saw it when I was 7 when it originally aired but have watched it again recently. Extremely painful on each occasion I see it. And I'm all about embarassing GL with it!
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"Now that they don't have to worry about fighting for SW films distribution rights don't put it past them... seriously!"

I kinda have to agree with that. I don't see how Lucas can stop them, unless he had something agreed to prior to all this.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I can't think of a single good reason to release that turkey - except to make money off of people who simply don't know what they are in for.


Just like the prequels!! SW HS should be here soon!
"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."