Darth Lucas said:
how did this happen?
- The official sources are/were TehParadox (which is closed) and MySpleen (where invitations are not available anymore).
- When a newbie asks “where can I get them” on this forum, the 2 ou 3 same guys always answer with jokes, or “read the first post” (which is outdated), or don’t answer at all, or forbid access to newbies (you must be a member for 6 months before getting the private links, which is quite justified and understandable, but can give the impression of a closed club).
- If you want to learn more about how to get the Despecialized Editions, you have to read 161 pages of private jokes. And do not try to give your opinion or to answer to a post, you’ll receive “get out of here” or “ridiculous” for answer from some people who think that this forum is their playground, even though the vast majority of members are kind and caring.
On the other hand, if you pay on eBay, you receive a beautiful package with a box, inner sleeves and beautifully printed blurays.
I am obviously outraged that people get paid on eBay for the volunteer and free work of other people like Harmy, Poita, Adywan or DrDre. No one should claim $ 100 on eBay for Harmy’s work, it is not fair. And I’m happy to be a (young new) member of this forum, where I can learn a lot of things about SW, and share my passion with people who are, for the most part, extremely sympathetic.
But I understand why many people end up finding eBay easier than this particular forum …
You raise some good valid points ZigZig - and I appreciate your efforts in here to try and come up with a solution to these issues.
To try to answer some of your points - and in the interests of clarity for others reading up about this topic…
Harmy’s Dspecialised Editions are widely available on both public and private torrent sites - in many differing formats and sizes. That new posters state on here that they searched ‘high and low’ on the public torrent sites and still can’t find them is somewhat baffling. Also baffling are those that say they don’t know how to use torrent sites and then ask to join myspleen…
Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity.
In Harmy’s first post in his Despecialised Edition thread on this site is the linked ‘The Ultimate Introductory Guide’ -
which chronicles how to obtain the DE.
I have doubts on whether a user of normal technical capability can actually understand and follow those instructions.
Harmy also has a facebook page - chronicling how to obtain his Despecialised Editions - via ‘The Ultimate Introductory Guide’ linked on it.
And a twitter page too.
There is also a youtube video out there with ‘The Ultimate Introductory Guide’ linked in on how to obtain the DE.
Those pages might not have enough visibility to make a difference. I wonder what is the main outlet that people find out about these sorts of fan edits and restorations. YouTube is an incredibly large force — maybe people are finding out there, and then get roped into this resale scam.
I think (though am not certain) that the above video, with ‘The Ultimate Introductory Guide’ linked in, is available on other similar video sites too.
Please note that the first post of the ‘Myspleen Invite’ thread HAS indeed been updated.
Re the 2 or 3 guys who answer ‘newbies’ with jokes etc - yes, at times they could be a little more helpful and can a bit sarcastic. However, please note that many of the posts in the various Despecialised / myspleen threads have many, many new people to this site who haven’t read that first post on how to obtain them, nor have they taken the time to actually read through the thread, or around the site - they often just ask how to get them - repeat it a few days later (or more) and then never post again.
I will concede that not reading the first post is pretty stupid. However, reading through multi-hundred page threads is something that I don’t think we should ask of people. And many people probably don’t arrive here at the front page — they’re probably directed to Harmy’s or the MySpleen invite page without knowing what’s beyond those parts.
You can’t ask people to take time you don’t know if they have to do something.
I imagine many posters pop in a few of these quality Despecialised threads from time to time - after seeing the thread has been bumped - thinking there may be some new additions to the work, or a new alternative take, or that it may have inspired someone to do something similar, or perhaps an update on the project, or just a good conversation on the topic at hand etc…
…but, no - it’s yet another ‘can I have a link’ type post.
For the posters who have been here a while… seeing quality threads bumped by people consistently and repeatedly asking questions that have already been answered many, many times - on a subject to which the answer was staring ‘newbies’ in the face all that time is quite frustrating - well… patience can, somewhat understandably, wear a little thin.
I honestly don’t understand this frustration that many people seem to have. These one-post wonders are only that — one-post wonders. After they’re done with their innocuous question-asking, they have absolutely zero impact on the forum whatsoever, except for a feeling of “clutter” that some might have. And regular conversation of the topic at hand can continue unhindered. If people aren’t talking about the topic, that’s because people don’t want to talk about it or have nothing to say. That’s not the fault of the newbies.
Perhaps we should have a forum feature allowing users to ignore accounts less than a day old?
However, if anyone oversteps the mark in treatment to fellow posters - new or old - it can be reported to the moderators on here.
If a member on here chooses to only give a small number of invites to a few fellow members that have been here for 6 months or more, then that is his/her prerogative and is down to that specific member - it does not reflect on this site. It also has little-to-nothing to do with this site.
This site was not the only way to join myspleen.
This site has no affiliation with myspleen - although some people are members of both sites.
For those wishing to join up at myspleen it has repeatedly been pointed out that myspleen’s own forums remain open to join, at:-
It is on that forum that many questions could likely be answered better than on here.
It is also possible, that contributing to those forums, will likely get them the information they desire - as well as likely being made aware of if/when myspleen invites will be made available once again.
The problem is, we need to find a way to direct more of the newbies to go over there before they ask for invites or information over here.
Re artwork for the Despecialised Editions - there is a whole section of the ot.com dedicated to helping provide covers, discart, chapter inserts and artwork etc for near on all things Star Wars. There are many differing options to choose from, ranging from quality work from professionals in their field - to people like me who struggle with MS Paint…
There is also information including info on how to print on discs, which type of paper is best, which printers will print direct to disc, how to make a boxset, alternatives to storing films on discs, which dvd or blu ray cases are decent - and cheapest to buy from, and how to make your own covers etc…
I mention this as I received an email not long ago from a person who had bought a Despecialised Edition boxset from ebay - it certainly was NOT ‘a beautiful package with a box, inner sleeves and beautifully printed blurays’…
It was printed on cheap ‘letter quality’ paper on which the ink had run through to on the other side, it had cheap cases which had cracked in transit (or before?), and the films themselves were on a very cheap brand of blu ray disc - and would only work on some blu ray players.
I would assume that the quality of the counterfeit disks would vary. Obviously people with no care for what they’ve made who just want to make a quick buck is a big part of the market, but the plural of anecdote is not data. I wonder how many people there who want to make a quick buck but also have good workmanship!
So ‘buyer beware’ - for they are likely dealing with the type of person who goes against the wishes of the man who gave us these Editions for free, profits from the work by that man & many, many others, sells them on at an extortionate price - and then apparently sends out substandard / shoddy sets.
Re the njvc Custom Blu Ray Set…
njvc very kindly put his customised project of the Despecialised Editions up for people to download - for free on Mega - and some ****s still downloaded and put them up for sale on/at various places like cons, ebay, other online selling sites etc. We now know that some people on myspleen (when invites were still being given out) have done the same in downloading them and then selling them on.
This somewhat nullifies a few claims seen on here along the lines of ‘restricted availability leads to higher demand and more expensive sets sold online - so make them more easily available’.
It seems to be a pretty reasonable prediction based on supply and demand, but things can get weird with digital products where there is no actual limit to the amount of product that can be distributed. I’d love to see what the economics at play are here.
I’m not getting into a tree of quotes type discussion, though will say this…
There was no ‘malice’ intended - or attributed to - by my words. For the purpose of clarity, nor ‘stupidity’ either.
Your doubts on ‘whether a user of normal technical capability can actually understand and follow those instructions’ are seemingly just that - your doubts. There is little evidence that people have not been able to follow the TUIG - or have asked for more clarification / easier to follow guide.
YouTube, facebook, twitter, this site, public torrent and private torrent sites (as well as word-of-mouth) - should be enough ‘visibility’ to give people the information required to learn to acquire the DE, for free. There’s even a wiki page for the Despecialized Editions - with links to Harmy’s social media sites therein. It also appears Harmy’s work also ranks highly on some of the online search engines - and feature articles on his work along with some nudging people in the right direction to acquire them.
New posters don’t have to read through ALL the thread - the 1st post, some random pagers in the middle of the thread, and the last couple of pages would likely give them any info/updates required - and doesn’t seem a lot to ask, or expect. Posting ‘can I have a link?’ below a post that actually gives a link - or ‘can I have a myspleen invite?’ after a post above saying ‘there are no invites being given out at present to myspleen’ can be quite frustrating for some posters on here after a while.
Re the quality of counterfeit disks and workmanship - that was really answered in the next paragraph with ‘buyer beware’, and yet also in the previous paragraphs with the information provided to make their own set - at a quality that should be to the satisfaction of that person 😉
On a slight tangent…
a very kind member of the community on here has made available the njvc Custom BluRay Set of Harmy’s Despecialised Edition up on Mega.
For more info - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/NJVC-Custom-Bluray-Set-of-Harmys-Despecialized-Editions-now-available-on-Mega/id/57042/page/1
Well in to him for doing so, and not only for getting permission from both njvc and Harmy beforehand, but for also putting together a quality and useful guide on how to acquire them - and also on how to burn them to disc too.
The Despecialized Editions are still available in their original format - with details on how to acquire them - in Harmy’s 1st post in this thread - as well as in the 1st posts of his ESB and ROTJ threads too…
Star Wars - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-V27-MKV-IS-OUT-NOW/id/12713/page/1
Empire Strikes Back - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Harmys-THE-EMPIRE-STRIKES-BACK-Despecialized-Edition-HD-MKV-and-AVCHD-v20-NOW-AVAILABLE/id/12511/page/1
Return Of The Jedi - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Harmys-RETURN-OF-THE-JEDI-Despecialized-Edition-HD-AVCHD-DVD9-and-NTSC-DVD5-available-SEE-FIRST-POST/id/12905/page/1
(and big thanks also to .Val - who did the same previously, though on a temporary basis).