All Things Star Trek — Page 151

No. Captain Ed Mercer actually is a pretty good character.

And episode 4 wasn’t rampant with dick jokes. Well, it did have a couple, but the main one was a Data-esque gag where an offhand comment was made that the robot character didn’t understand and kept awkwardly bringing up.

His writing has actually not been too bad. It’s weird, it’s like he wanted to write a straight-up Star Trek series, Fox asked for a standard McFarlane show with dick and weed jokes, and he put them into his first script and Fox approved it. It’s bizarre.

Mike O said:

His writing has actually not been too bad. It’s weird, it’s like he wanted to write a straight-up Star Trek series, Fox asked for a standard McFarlane show with dick and weed jokes, and he put them into his first script and Fox approved it. It’s bizarre.

I think this too. Either that or he can’t help himself and adds dick jokes because it’s a compulsion.

Is it the one TM2YC is doing? Promising indeed, if he gets back to it.

I like the Orville because it’s like classic Trek with some Seth McF humor, which I enjoy. And I’m also loving DIS for vastly different reasons, mostly unrelated to it being ST (like, there’s still morality questions and everything, but in a very different format). I think it’s fantastic the two shows are coming out at the same time, so we have something closely resembling classic Trek, and also all-new Trek, but not in the same package.

I wonder if they’ll ever remaster any of the other films or put out the DC of VI?

Are all the BDs the same, or were there barebones releases? The price on the boxed set seems to good to be true.

chyron8472 said:

[Discovery] is certainly not Trek Prime (and not just in style, but also for plot-related reasons) […] nor is is quite Kelvin either

I just watched DSC episode 4, and it is firmly not Prime as far as the tech goes. Apparently, the unique thing about the ship itself is that, in addition to a traditional warp drive, it has a working drive engine that can transport the ship to anywhere in the universe in the literal blink of an eye so long as they have the ability to store and input navigational vectors correctly.

In Trek Prime, the Traveller warped the Enterprise D to the Kalium Triangulum Galaxy—not to mention also what they assumed at the time was the actual edge of the universe—and being able to do so was a downright inconceivability to everyone involved except the Traveller himself (and maybe Wesley). So the fact that Discovery, which existed centuries earlier, has a working drive engine that can outstrip even Voyager or the Enterprise E—that means the show itself can not take place in the Trek Prime Universe.

If it were, Starfleet would have figured out how to implement such a drive in more ships by the 24th century, especially given that the technology they use in DSC was not (reported as of yet to be) stolen from the future so no timeline meddling would have been of concern.

DuracellEnergizer said:

chyron8472 said:

In Trek Prime, the Traveller warped the Enterprise D to the Kalium Galaxy

So the Prime Universe is one and same as the Stargate movie universe?

I don’t know how to feel about that.

Oh, crap. Okay I must have had Stargate on the brain since I’ve been watching through SG-1 again.

Anyway, the Enterprise D warped to the far side of Galaxy M33, the Triangulum Galaxy. This would in fact be closer (albeit the Kalium Galaxy is fictional), but again the Enterpise crew was amazed at the feat when logic dictates that Discovery should have been able to get there centuries earlier with technology of Starfleet’s own then-present-day making. Which means Discovery is not Trek Prime.

The point of DSC S1E4 was to show that in order to use the instant travel drive it required the subjection and torture of an alien creature which goes against Federation principles and will probably end disastrously. It wouldn’t be the first time a ship has encountered a new way to travel that they then ignored in the future, or turned out to be evil. There’s a VGR 2-parter that also has a Federation ship using creatures to improve their speed and no one followed up on it either.

Either way, why would Discovery use the drive to explore the galaxy when they’re breaking every law to appease a Captain hell-bent on ending a war using a teleporting ship? Lorca seems upset that he HAS a science vessel, he’s not going to let them actually explore. And I have a feeling Burnham isn’t going to let them use the drive very often as it obviously hurts RIPR.

But the reason Ripper is used is to store and process a complete navigational chart with extremely accurate vectors, in lieu of one stored in the database and processed by the computer core, because apparently their navigational computer alone was not sufficient to perform such an apparently intricate task. I would figure the Binars from TNG would have been able to solve that problem without using a sentient being–if not the Daystrom Institute or some such.

The reason why Starfleet doesn’t readily adopt transwarp/slipstream/et al.—that is, faster-than-warp-9.999-technologies—in the 3 TNG-era series is, I think for the sake of story-writing purposes that don’t actually make sense when put to some real-world level of scrutiny. Simply put, it’s a plothole.

Anyways, my point is not so much that TNG doesn’t utilize such a technology, so much as it is that the crew of of the Enterprise D didn’t think it was possible—when in fact if DSC was part of Prime then it had been for centuries—with the one niggling point being significantly better processing power and more storage space than what Discovery has.

Alright then, Section 31 kept it a secret. 😉

That or it all ends with Discovery’s atoms spread across the universe.