Just watched Discovery. Not sure what all the hate is about. It’s pretty fine. Am I crazy about it? No. But the first two episodes were interesting, and I like the direction they’re going with it and will be watching more.
After two episodes, can’t say I’m really interested in watching anymore of the Orville, so I guess Discovery takes it for me.
Showed my wife Discovery, she loved it.
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Showed my wife Discovery, she loved it.
Showed my wife Discovery, she got bored and left before the conclusion of the 2nd episode.
In all fairness, the only Trek she enjoys is/are the new movies.
I didn’t even know what you guys were talking about with Orville. Now that you mentioned Seth Mcwhatever, I realized it’s that show I keep seeing commercials for that looks like an awful ripoff of Galaxy Quest. Also it has Seth Mcwhatever sitting in a captain’s chair.
I seem to remember someone claiming that it’s much better than the commercials would lead you to believe, but I’m too old and (therefore) too close to death to waste time on anything Seth Mcwhatever is involved in.
In all fairness, the only Trek she enjoys is/are the new movies.
Which is odd, because my wife loved that it reminded her a lot of the Kelvin movies. However, she does have love for other Trek (VGR especially), so she has some other investment in the whole Federation/Klingon culture.
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Orville episodes 1 and 2 were pretty good imo, but episode 3 (“About a Girl”) was great. And the ending was enjoyably unexpected (no spoilers).
A good story. A really good story.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
I didn’t even know what you guys were talking about with Orville. Now that you mentioned Seth Mcwhatever, I realized it’s that show I keep seeing commercials for that looks like an awful ripoff of Galaxy Quest. Also it has Seth Mcwhatever sitting in a captain’s chair.
I seem to remember someone claiming that it’s much better than the commercials would lead you to believe, but I’m too old and (therefore) too close to death to waste time on anything Seth Mcwhatever is involved in.
I totally get where you’re coming from. They’re showing it on FX late on weekends and I stumbled into it. Sometimes you have to check your biases at the door.
I’d give Discovery a fair shake if I could see more of it for free. As it stands, I’m not sold and my net speeds range from suck to blow.
And you’re not as close to death as I am. 😛
Where were you in '77?
I didn’t pay for the second episode, I just did the free trial.
In all fairness, the only Trek she enjoys is/are the new movies.
Which is odd, because my wife loved that it reminded her a lot of the Kelvin movies. However, she does have love for other Trek (VGR especially), so she has some other investment in the whole Federation/Klingon culture.
yeah, i am pretty sure if the plot wasn’t Klingon centric she would have not wandered off. to be honest, i also disliked the Klingon centricness of it (but liked Voyager). good thing that my wife and I have some things in common 😃
Now that you mentioned Seth Mcwhatever
I’ll have the Big McWhatever with some Chicken McWhatevers.
I didn’t pay for the second episode, I just did the free trial.
I already previously used up my trial.
So I used the bay instead.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
In all fairness, the only Trek she enjoys is/are the new movies.
IV seems to be the one with the most mainstream, non-Trek fan appeal, prior to Abrams Star Wars in drag reboot, though I enjoyed Beyond quite a bit more than the first two. The big in Discovery looked like the same bridge set from Into Darkness.
“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”
Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death
In all fairness, the only Trek she enjoys is/are the new movies.
IV seems to be the one with the most mainstream, non-Trek fan appeal
I’d consider myself a casual more mainstream Trek fan and I really dislike IV.
prior to Abrams Star Wars in drag reboot
What.
“Putting on that dress, Luke was finally the woman he always wanted to be. Mary Suewalker, he called himself.”
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prior to Abrams Star Wars in drag reboot
What.
I thought I’d heard every disparaging remark in the last 9 years, but this is a new one on me. I mean, I get what the insult is supposed to be, what with it being a movie about a guy who rejects the call, then follows the call and saves the day.
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In all fairness, the only Trek she enjoys is/are the new movies.
IV seems to be the one with the most mainstream, non-Trek fan appeal
I’d consider myself a casual more mainstream Trek fan and I really dislike IV.
I think the point is that most everyone, even non Trek fans, as least know about The Voyage Home in so much as many simply know it as “the one with the whales.” Therefore it is likely the most mainstream-ly accepted of the Prime Kirk movies.
Of the Prime movies, IV is my favorite, then VI, then II. The big detractor for Wrath of Khan for me was the bug-in-the-ear scene. I really… that scene makes me cringe and I usually skip it. I’ve seen Wrath of Khan umpteenkabillion times, but that scene alone makes it not my favorite.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
In all fairness, the only Trek she enjoys is/are the new movies.
IV seems to be the one with the most mainstream, non-Trek fan appeal
I’d consider myself a casual more mainstream Trek fan and I really dislike IV.
Really? That’s interesting. My aunt usually can’t stand any Trek, and she really enjoy IV. Wasn’t it the highest-grossing one prior to
prior to Abrams Star Wars in drag reboot
What.
What is the general opinion of the Kelvin-verse Trek around here? I know a few longtime Trekkies who really aren’t big on it. I personally like it OK, but think there’s very little of the intellectual moral problems and mind-bending sci-fi plots that marked Trek at its best, but it’s a fun laser light show.
prior to Abrams Star Wars in drag reboot
What.
I thought I’d heard every disparaging remark in the last 9 years, but this is a new one on me. I mean, I get what the insult is supposed to be, what with it being a movie about a guy who rejects the call, then follows the call and saves the day.
I don’t know it was necessarily supposed to be a disparaging remark; I don’t hate Abrams Trek as much as some fans do, and I think there’re a lot of things to recommend (mostly related to the cast), but I do think it lost almost all of the intelligence in Abrams’ hands.
“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”
Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death
What is the general opinion of the Kelvin-verse Trek around here? I know a few longtime Trekkies who really aren’t big on it. I personally like it OK, but think there’s very little of the intellectual moral problems and mind-bending sci-fi plots that marked Trek at its best, but it’s a fun laser light show.
I think it was a necessary step for the Trek franchise. Like I’ve said before, the Trek fanbase at large doesn’t really know what it wants in a Trek show. Even some here complain that The Orville feels like a Galaxy Quest ripoff. umm… as though being derivative of Galaxy Quest is a bad thing…?
The franchise needed new blood from the mainstream populace, rather than (failing to) cater to its exponentially increasingly picky current fanbase. Hiring a director who is primarily an OT Star Wars fan didn’t seem an awful choice.
As I say, I like (mostly lighthearted) adventure, in space, with interesting characters. The Kelvin Timeline has that.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
As I’ve said in the past, the 2009 film got new fans into Trek. I overheard a phone conversation in a restaurant around the time the movie premiered, and this woman was going on about what a positive view of the future it was. Trek was this shiny new thing to her. I was thankful she didn’t drop any spoilers as I hadn’t seen the movie yet.
Where were you in '77?
TNG premiered on US television stations 30 years ago tonight.
https://youtu.be/hOZFUu4XxrA
Wish we could get just one more movie with TNG crew. A follow up to All Good Things would be sweet.
Where were you in '77?
TNG premiered on US television stations 30 years ago tonight.
https://youtu.be/hOZFUu4XxrAWish we could get just one more movie with TNG crew. A follow up to All Good Things would be sweet.
The TNG crew totally deserved at least one more movie, I don’t think that Nemesis was intended to be the end, was it? Didn’t it just tank commercially?
“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”
Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death
I’m probably the only one in the planet but I actually liked it. But yes I do believe it was a commercial failure.
Opened up in December, (I think all previous Trek films had been summer releases save for TMP) and was likely crushed by Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers a week later.
The way they kept some wiggle room on Data’s death seemed like an insurance policy towards another film.
Where were you in '77?
I didn’t even know what you guys were talking about with Orville. Now that you mentioned Seth Mcwhatever, I realized it’s that show I keep seeing commercials for that looks like an awful ripoff of Galaxy Quest. Also it has Seth Mcwhatever sitting in a captain’s chair.
I seem to remember someone claiming that it’s much better than the commercials would lead you to believe, but I’m too old and (therefore) too close to death to waste time on anything Seth Mcwhatever is involved in.
That’s exactly what I thought. And I wasn’t convinced by the first episode, either, even though it wasn’t what was teased in the promos/trailers (i.e. the usual painful Family Guy-esque fare). I caved in and watched the second episode and got hooked from there on. The Orville still has some of that trademark ‘humor’, but it’s not a comedy show and above all, it’s VERY serious in its dedication to old school Star Trek, and to the idea of an intelligent episodic sci-fi show - with a lighter twist.
MacFarlane really is trying here, and, what astounds me the most, is actually succeeding to a large degree. I never thought I’d be praising anything MacFarlane’s ever done, but here we are: The Orville is a good show… that will probably get cancelled soon, because people expected Family Guy in space.
Discovery - so far - is a complete chore to slog through. It’s not prime, even though that’s what they’re calling it, it’s not Kelvin, even though it clearly is modelled after those movies. And after two episodes we’ve yet to see anything resembling a pilot. Way to pad out a few minutes of backstory into two episodes which are supposed to be epic in scope, but which really seem to be of little consequence to anything in order to sell your service, CBS. It made me feel sad and tired. Poorly written, badly shot, incoherently put together (pointless overuse of dutch angles, sense of space was appalingly confusing throughout the episodes - non-existent, basically, etc.).
Worst of all, Doug Jones is just about the only decent character in there, and I am truly dreading spending another second with the boneheaded protagonist. I get where they’re taking her, but the viewer needs to care to follow her arc - otherwise this is, at best, an uninteresting exercise in writing an unsympathetic character. And even though the writers spent two entire episodes on her, they established less about her than a third-rate comedian was able to establish in a single (not very good) scene introducing the entire main cast. Wow.
tl;dr: not too impressed by ships going ‘pew-pew’.
This was the prologue to the larger story. We didn’t even see the Discovery for gods sake. This is going to be a redemption story for Burnham. I believe we’re not supposed to like her yet.
I’d say the issue goes deeper - it’s not just that she’s unlikable: she’s utterly uninteresting, and we’re getting beaten over our heads with her as if she’s supposed to be. This doesn’t gel well with the overall impression that all we’ve gotten so far out of two episodes is a lot of bad action and even more padding.