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And yet in Revenge of the Sith we see them building the dish as part of the frame of the station. Maybe it got broked up

You have to focus on what is available to know. At the end of RotS we see a Death Star being built. We don’t know if that is one and the same as the one in E4. That one could have, for all we know, blown up when they test fired it. If you read Cold War history or history of the space race you learn how many failures we had just trying to make one rocket that would launch the way that we wanted it to. Build - launch - blown up on the pad/crash/otherwise fail. Back to the drawing board and repeat the process again and again and again and again.

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Is Adywan consulting this board yet for all the technical errors? Ie… Bad mattes, set problems, continuity errors?

He usually is pretty decided on new shots and things to add.

Has he mentioned adding any of the deleted scenes?

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I believe deleted scenes are off the table as they’re not high enough quality, but please, technical errors would be great.

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trimboNZ said:

For what it’s worth:

After re-watching the movie recently, here’s my own wish-list of changes (with hopefully most of the points already covered in this thread omitted). Apologies for the length and for any repitition.

TATOOINE
Undo pointless inconsistent Blu-Ray changes such as the door to Jabbas palace being much larger on the outside, but still the same size inside.

Fix the Luke hologram to match the rest of the saga (desaturate, blue tint, add scanlines).

Have the Gamorrean guard strike the tentacled beast in the cage, rather than miss it with a dull thud.

When Jabba knocks Threepio down make Jabba actually strike him rather than Threepio apparently doing a twirl and falling over for no reason.

Have Luke somehow make use of his lightsaber during the battle, rather than just swinging it like a nerf bat.

Even if the lead up is done in a less silly way, still have Boba Fett end up inside the Sarlacc.

Remove the Sarlacc burp gag. One per movie is enough.

Have the chain dig more deeply into Jabba’s throat when Leia’s pulling it.

Don’t re-instate the sandstorm. The current pacing works well at that point.

DAGOBAH
Keep Luke’s visit to Yoda after Tatooine rather than before it. Luke needs a reason for being away so long - his friends.

Have Yoda say “Luke” less often.

ENDOR
Don’t have the scout’s speeder turn corners while he is looking backwards.

Fix or replace the speeder POV shots where the forest can be seen running out, as the footage approaches a clearing.

Keep the scene with Leia and Wicket. This is likely the first instance where an Ewok has been shown kindness by a hitherto mysterious and cruel human race, and a key to getting the Ewoks’ cooperation (even if they still needed a golden man to levitate).

Translate the lines “Yes that’s wise” and “Nice and short” into Ewok-ese.

I think the dialogue in the “I’m sorry”, “Hold me” exchange is redundant and the scene works better without it.

Keep the Ewok traps for the AT-ST’s, but have them trigger before Chewie hijacks one. Currently it looks like the Ewoks could be trapping Chewie.

Fix the terrible effect of the shot AT-ST that, after exploding quite well, quickly cross-fades to a static model of just the legs.

Maybe a little hard to fix, but if possible remove Han’s inappropriate grab when Leia is shot.

DEATH STAR
Make the Death Star bridge bigger, with more consoles and possibly a corridor. Somehow it just feels small, possibly due to lighting.

Fix the blue button pressed by the Imperial operator when Vader’s shuttle is granted passage, which is clearly just a painted square. Have it react somehow by being depressed or lighting up.

Enhance the display off to the side in the throne room, which has pictures on it early in the film but later is blank.

When the first capital ship is hit by the Death Star laser, have the nearby ships react in some way, being tossed by the shockwave or at least taking some damage.

Add more sparks to Vader’s suit as he’s carrying Palpatine to show his suit is now useless, maybe even blow out the chestplate.

Make Palpatine fall a bit further before exploding, making it more apparent he hit the bottom.

Straighten Vader’s bent wrist when he’s leaning over looking down into the shaft.

As the Death Star explodes, make the transition from space POV to Endor POV better somehow. Currently it’s a bit of a letdown when the music hits the high note there isn’t really a visual spectacle to match it.

I concur with almost everything in this list, with the minor exception of Leia asking Han to “Hold Me”. I think it gives weight to the fact that something big just happened, because usually when Han gets upset Leia would normally snark back - ( a departure of character for both of them as they are fulfilling character arcs of change that make them endearing to us), but instead just says “hold me”. I like that Han is a bit taken aback but falls into her pretty deep as the scene ends.

The explosion of DSII in the new Battlefront Cinematic trailer looked pretty good. Not sure if something like that can be replicated from the different POV from both Space and the ground.

I find your lack of faith…disturbing

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I concur with almost everything in this list, with the minor exception of Leia asking Han to “Hold Me”. I think it gives weight to the fact that something big just happened, because usually when Han gets upset Leia would normally snark back - ( a departure of character for both of them as they are fulfilling character arcs of change that make them endearing to us), but instead just says “hold me”. I like that Han is a bit taken aback but falls into her pretty deep as the scene ends.

Thanks!

I fully agree that it’s an important scene and wasn’t suggesting cutting it - I just wondered if the scene might play out better with the dialog track removed but maybe it is good to have that level of vulnerability. I guess I was influenced by the Anakin/Padme scene in ROTS that worked well with no dialog. Hard to do for Han, but easy for Leia since I think she’s facing away from camera at that point.

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ray_afraid said:

Good list.

trimboNZ said:

Make the Death Star bridge bigger, with more consoles and possibly a corridor. Somehow it just feels small, possibly due to lighting.

I feel the same needs to be done to the Executor bridge. It looks great in ESB (even better in ESB:R) but in ROTJ it looks like it’s closed for the night and they’re hangin’ out after hours. Low lights and it seems like most of the screens and machines have been turned off.

JEDIT- that may have been what you were talking about in the first place. I don’t remember the bridge on the Death Star.

The Death Star bridge (or Control Room I guess) is first shown in the opening scene when granting Vader’s shuttle permission to approach and deactivating the shield, then later during the battle when passing on the order to fire, causing a man on a raised platform to half-heartedly operate a control at waist level.

When the Executor comes on the scene Piett and his crew seem to take over the gatekeeper duty for some reason.

The room is rather small and used for two very different functions, so makes the whole operation seem much smaller. There are deleted scenes featuring this room, so I’m recognizing it now more than I would have previously.

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I do like the idea of blowing out Vader’s chest plate.

It doesn’t need to be graphic or over done, but maybe throw in a couple limbs dismembermets here and there when Luke is going to town on the skiff and sail barge.

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trimboNZ said:

Fix the Luke hologram to match the rest of the saga (desaturate, blue tint, add scanlines).

Pre-recorded holograms have always had color:

But what about Leia, you might ask?:

Plenty of color in her face but her all white outfit emphasized the blue tint.

Jedit: and Luke’s hologram has plenty of scanlines already.

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you know what would be cool, have hologram luke in his jedi cloak with only his lower face in view like darth sidious. this way we get Luke’s full reveal when he pulls up his hood in jabba’s palace. sort of like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuhCC9X-hvo

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I like that idea, JARUS5.

I know Ady has said the deleted scenes aren’t possible to include due to image quality problems, but does that extend to the audio? Could Yoda say, for example, “Obi-Wan would have told you long ago, had I let him. Now a great weakness you carry,” while his back is to Luke?

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trimboNZ said:

ENDOR

Keep the Ewok traps for the AT-ST’s, but have them trigger before Chewie hijacks one. Currently it looks like the Ewoks could be trapping Chewie.

Great list! I agree with almost everything on there except this. I just don’t think that the Ewoks could put together the log traps so quickly and quietly so as not to attract Imperial attention (chopping wood, trees falling, massive logs being hoisted into place, etc.). However, I think that the rope traps are more than acceptable.

Oh, I also disagree that “one burp joke per movie is enough”… I think that number should be zero for Star Wars movies. Along with fart jokes or stepping in excrement.

I’m looking at you Jar Jar.

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nhoj3 said:

I just don’t think that the Ewoks could put together the log traps so quickly and quietly so as not to attract Imperial attention (chopping wood, trees falling, massive logs being hoisted into place, etc.). However, I think that the rope traps are more than acceptable.

Oh, I also disagree that “one burp joke per movie is enough”… I think that number should be zero for Star Wars movies. Along with fart jokes or stepping in excrement.

I’m looking at you Jar Jar.

Couldn’t agree more 😃 Instead of the cluster of logs falling down, I imagine there could be a biggish, fallen log that gets pushed down a hill by some Rebel soldiers (and if possible, along with some Ewoks) which hits just right as an AT-ST makes a step and trips it (without the “break dance”).

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I only have one suggestion for this, but I think it improves the film greatly:
Start the film with Luke on Dagobah
It just makes so much more sense, and focuses the whole film around the central conflict, that of Luke vs. Vader. The scenes would progress as follow:
OPENING CRAWL
-“Luke has returned to Dagobah to complete his Jedi Training. Meanwhile, Lando has traveled to Tattooine to prepare to rescue Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt.”

VADER CONFRONTS JERJEROD

LUKE AND YODA

LUKE AND BEN

THE EMPEROR ARRIVES AT THE DEATH STAR II

THEN A DELETED SCENE
-We would then use the “Luke’s lightsaber” deleted scene to transition to Tatooine. The scene starts with Vader walking down the hallway of the Death Star (here, presumably right after talking to the Emperor). He then walks to his meditation chamber, and communicates with Luke…
-…who is in a cave on Tatooine. This establishes for the audience that Luke has traveled from Dagobah to Tatooine.

THEN R2 AND C3PO GO TO JABBA’S PALACE
And the rest of the film proceeds normally.

Do they not see the birds controlled in the atmosphere of the sky? none holds them up except Allah. Indeed in that are signs for a people who believe. – Quran (16:79)

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YodaFan67 said:

I only have one suggestion for this, but I think it improves the film greatly:
Start the film with Luke on Dagobah
It just makes so much more sense

Do you have friends?
How long would you let them hangin on a wall? Weeks? Month? If they survive that long at all.

Luke does not need training to face Jabba. He wasn’t ready for Vader, but he was already very good. All he needs is to recover, and come up with a plan.

BTW ain’t all rebel plans seem completely stupid?
In Rogue One, they fly into an Imperial installation with zero planning, and as a result they die. Then a whole fleet follows with zero planning, and most of them die.
In TNH they attack the Death Star with 30 fighters (lol) trying to hit a small hole.
4 ships survive. One of them is not a rebel ship.
In ESB they fight AT-ATs with snowspeeders, that have no chance to even scratch them with their lasers. If not for Luke, Rogue Squadron dies, and every single Imperial soldier goes home without a scratch.
And in ROTJ the whole Alliance is walking into a trap.
Safe to say, they are really not that good at planning.

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Jani-wan said:

YodaFan67 said:

I only have one suggestion for this, but I think it improves the film greatly:
Start the film with Luke on Dagobah
It just makes so much more sense

Do you have friends?
How long would you let them hangin on a wall? Weeks? Month? If they survive that long at all.

Luke does not need training to face Jabba. He wasn’t ready for Vader, but he was already very good. All he needs is to recover, and come up with a plan.

BTW ain’t all rebel plans seem completely stupid?
In Rogue One, they fly into an Imperial installation with zero planning, and as a result they die. Then a whole fleet follows with zero planning, and most of them die.
In TNH they attack the Death Star with 30 fighters (lol) trying to hit a small hole.
4 ships survive. One of them is not a rebel ship.
In ESB they fight AT-ATs with snowspeeders, that have no chance to even scratch them with their lasers. If not for Luke, Rogue Squadron dies, and every single Imperial soldier goes home without a scratch.
And in ROTJ the whole Alliance is walking into a trap.
Safe to say, they are really not that good at planning.

Fair point. I guess my thinking is that it resolves the coincidence that Yoda does right when he shows up.

Do they not see the birds controlled in the atmosphere of the sky? none holds them up except Allah. Indeed in that are signs for a people who believe. – Quran (16:79)

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YodaFan67 said:

Jani-wan said:

YodaFan67 said:

I only have one suggestion for this, but I think it improves the film greatly:
Start the film with Luke on Dagobah
It just makes so much more sense

Do you have friends?
How long would you let them hangin on a wall? Weeks? Month? If they survive that long at all.

Luke does not need training to face Jabba. He wasn’t ready for Vader, but he was already very good. All he needs is to recover, and come up with a plan.

BTW ain’t all rebel plans seem completely stupid?
In Rogue One, they fly into an Imperial installation with zero planning, and as a result they die. Then a whole fleet follows with zero planning, and most of them die.
In TNH they attack the Death Star with 30 fighters (lol) trying to hit a small hole.
4 ships survive. One of them is not a rebel ship.
In ESB they fight AT-ATs with snowspeeders, that have no chance to even scratch them with their lasers. If not for Luke, Rogue Squadron dies, and every single Imperial soldier goes home without a scratch.
And in ROTJ the whole Alliance is walking into a trap.
Safe to say, they are really not that good at planning.

Fair point. I guess my thinking is that it resolves the coincidence that Yoda does right when he shows up.

Blah blah blah, the Force. It’s the answer for everything. 😉

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doubleofive said:

YodaFan67 said:

Jani-wan said:

YodaFan67 said:

I only have one suggestion for this, but I think it improves the film greatly:
Start the film with Luke on Dagobah
It just makes so much more sense

Do you have friends?
How long would you let them hangin on a wall? Weeks? Month? If they survive that long at all.

Luke does not need training to face Jabba. He wasn’t ready for Vader, but he was already very good. All he needs is to recover, and come up with a plan.

BTW ain’t all rebel plans seem completely stupid?
In Rogue One, they fly into an Imperial installation with zero planning, and as a result they die. Then a whole fleet follows with zero planning, and most of them die.
In TNH they attack the Death Star with 30 fighters (lol) trying to hit a small hole.
4 ships survive. One of them is not a rebel ship.
In ESB they fight AT-ATs with snowspeeders, that have no chance to even scratch them with their lasers. If not for Luke, Rogue Squadron dies, and every single Imperial soldier goes home without a scratch.
And in ROTJ the whole Alliance is walking into a trap.
Safe to say, they are really not that good at planning.

Fair point. I guess my thinking is that it resolves the coincidence that Yoda does right when he shows up.

Blah blah blah, the Force. It’s the answer for everything. 😉

That’s not how the force works.

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Tantive3+1 said:

I have to say that the concept of a second DS is too derivative for a ROTJ:R.

You can’t just get rid of the Death Star II and make it completely seamless, because it’s interwoven into the plot, dialogue, and action scenes. It’s something you can only change at a script level.

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There is a flipped shot right before Luke Crashes his speeder, his glove and bullet hole on his helmet are on his left side. Also, I like the idea of Luke training with Yoda for a time before ROTJ, but the Crawl would be tricky. You would need to not only mention that though Luke is becoming more powerful with his training, but somehow fit in that the 800 year old Jedi Master’s health is rapidly deteriorating. Also, all shots of his gloved hand would have to be fixed.

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When Luke and Vader are talking on the dock for the AT-AT, consider having a faint sound in the background of the AT-AT walking away. It’s a great personal conversation between the two and the way the troops walked away it feels like they are just hanging out in the open AT-AT. You’d have to remove the head of the walker in the very last shot of the scene.
Also, I know some think Revisited shouldn’t change to match the prequels, but when Vader says “Obi-Wan once thought as you do”, is a glaring discrepancy. Obi-wan never once gave Anakin a chance to turn from the dark side. It would be so much better if he said, “Your mother once thought as you do,” because Padme really did ask Anakin to leave with her.

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exitzero said:

When Luke and Vader are talking on the dock for the AT-AT, consider having a faint sound in the background of the AT-AT walking away. It’s a great personal conversation between the two and the way the troops walked away it feels like they are just hanging out in the open AT-AT. You’d have to remove the head of the walker in the very last shot of the scene.
Also, I know some think Revisited shouldn’t change to match the prequels, but when Vader says “Obi-Wan once thought as you do”, is a glaring discrepancy. Obi-wan never once gave Anakin a chance to turn from the dark side. It would be so much better if he said, “Your mother once thought as you do,” because Padme really did ask Anakin to leave with her.

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/obi-wan-once-thought-as-you-do.22740126/

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Jani-wan said:

YodaFan67 said:

I only have one suggestion for this, but I think it improves the film greatly:
Start the film with Luke on Dagobah
It just makes so much more sense

Do you have friends?
How long would you let them hangin on a wall? Weeks? Month? If they survive that long at all.

Luke’s waiting to hear from Lando before he does anything. This is set up at the end of ESB.
In the meantime, nothing’s stopping him from going back to Yoda and it makes more sense that he would.
You can click the link in my sig for my ideal opining to ROTJ.

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ray_afraid said:

Jani-wan said:

YodaFan67 said:

I only have one suggestion for this, but I think it improves the film greatly:
Start the film with Luke on Dagobah
It just makes so much more sense

Do you have friends?
How long would you let them hangin on a wall? Weeks? Month? If they survive that long at all.

Luke’s waiting to hear from Lando before he does anything. This is set up at the end of ESB.
In the meantime, nothing’s stopping him from going back to Yoda and it makes more sense that he would.

Why change it?