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Originally posted by: Kingsamasacrificing, yes. declaring her life meaningless no. Juest like in AotC where obi tells ani to do as padme would do, here yoda is telling luke to look towards the greater good and to serve it.
But Obi Wan doesn't secretly have Padme in his pocket as his next apprentice.
it doesnt matter, yoda and obi wan both state that you cant tell the future and that if need be leia and han should be sacrificed if it means toppling the empire. That doesnt mean he thinks of her of meaningless, only that he doesnt see her as more important that defeating the emperor and vader.
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i would say that anyone would do the same, imagine if you had the scurg of the universe in front of you responsible for killing millions, you would take an angery swipe too.
Saying anyone would do the same doesn't hold any weight, because the Jedi are supposed to be better than that. Sith use their emotions for their power. Thus, by acting out of a carnage emotion, Luke has begun his decent.
I suppose we must agree to disagree, because i think there is a huge difference in loosing control under exceptional circumstances, and then overcoming it in the end with the emporer, and embrassing those feelings and slaughtering women and children of your own free will.
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so what you are saying is that when han is getting shot at in the clouds and then given the run around, also in the clouds he has the time or the presences of mind to search the horizen for ships???
If TIE Fighters and Star Destoyers come up on the radar, I would think an Imperial Shuttle would as well. Not to mention SLAVE I. Now, maybe SLAVE I had a cloaking device, but I never heard about it.
so an imperial shuttle, the same type of shuttle that han later flies on endor, landed on a platform across the city would show up on the radar. Why would they need tie fighters at first? why would they need star destroyers? all they would have to do is hide them elsewhere in the system while vaders private shuttle and slave 1 are on cloud city. The question also has to be asked if in a city could the falcons radar pick out and identify specific shuttles, my memory is a bit hazy...
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I didn't say that they needed Star Destroyers and TIE fighters were needed. What I was saying that it was established in the Star Wars universe in the films that both of those could be picked up on the radar of the Millenium Falcon. Earlier in the film it was established that a ship that small couldn't have a cloaking device. The Imperial Shuttles are not signifcantly bigger than the MF. Thus, if they could pick the other two ships up on the radar, they should be able to pick up an Imperial Shuttle landing.
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You're missing the point. The part you are taking from it is the meaningless point. That doesn't stand on it's own. The idea is that Leia is supposed to be Yoda's ace in the hole, that she is the back up plan. If Luke believes she will die, from Yoda's delivery you get the impression that he just wants him to ignore that even if it's true. I was always under the belief that Yoda knew it was true she would die and is giving Luke the run around. Thus, from the delivery of the lines, Yoda goes from saying let her die, finish your training to she is the other hope. It's just a giant circle, like time travel. If he stays and let's her die, then she isn't 'the other'. If he goes, then she is. Get it?
I didn't say that they needed Star Destroyers and TIE fighters were needed. What I was saying that it was established in the Star Wars universe in the films that both of those could be picked up on the radar of the Millenium Falcon. Earlier in the film it was established that a ship that small couldn't have a cloaking device. The Imperial Shuttles are not signifcantly bigger than the MF. Thus, if they could pick the other two ships up on the radar, they should be able to pick up an Imperial Shuttle landing.
ben and yoda dont know whats going to happen, they just a) want to break luke of his connections to leia and for him to make decisions with his brain and not his emotions, and b) dont want to loose there tump card to the dark side.
again can a emperial shuttle and slave 1 which have docked be detected by radar?
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just because you assumed Yoda was flat out lying to Luke about Han & Leia dying on cloud city doesnt mean he was. remember Luke asked him if they will die when it first came up and Yoda closed his eyes and looked to the future and said something along the lines of how he didnt know.
also, what did Luke actually do when he got there to save anyone. all he did was almost get himself killed and have Leia RESCUE HIM. Yoda wanted him to stay and finish his training so he would be able to succeed in destroying the Emperor and Vader when they first met. The there is another hope comment was saying that if he goes now he's not ready and he might die and not be able to destroy the Emperor and Vader so hope would be lost, and Yoda said that the other (who later became Leia) was still an option.
But didnt someone here once say that Leia & Luke werent originally gonna be brother and sister? so if you want to call it a plot hole (or poor planning/change in character/plot flow is more accurate) why dont you bring that up. Im not saying there are no 'plot holes' or more like inconsistancies in the OT, but most can be explained just as well (if not better) than the inconsistancies caused by the PT which should have never have occured because there was already plenty of 'fact' set down in the OT that could have easily been referenced/adhered to.
Maybe the radar just pickes up ships, how do you know it differentiates between TIE fighters and Star Destroyers. with all the cloud cars flying around maybe he missed it. or maybe because Han is somewhat cocky and had thought he outsmarted the empire he didnt think to check the radar while he was trying to get landing clearence. Maybe the cloud car shot at him to distract him so they had time to move the TIE's and Star Destroyers out of his sight.
Cloaking device. I believe the line was "No ship that small has a cloaking device" Keep in mind this is said by an Imperial Officer who is also probably cocky because he is the commander of a Star Destroyer of the Galactic Empire. Maybe power consumption of the cloaking devices would be too much for a normal ship that size. maybe there are civilian issue cloaking devices that you cant get put on ships that small for 'legality' reasons, ie the Empire doesnt allow it. but it never said they couldnt have one on it, just no ship does. But we all know Han has made plenty of modifications to the Falcon, many that im sure the Empire or any officials would even think to look for on his ship so why not a cloaking device. Because some Imperial Officer said so? So far in the films the Imperial Officers havent really giving me much of a reason to have the most confidence in them.
assuming radar works like it does here, its also very likely that while in a busy city a radar is a bit crowded and kind of hard to pick out an Imperial Shuttle landing. Plus, the shuttle might be 'drowned out' or all together hidden due to its positioning in the city/hangar bay/landing area.
remember it was you who said you would be willing to provide answers/reasons for the plot holes in the PT. well, you have answers/reasons provided for what you find to be plot holes in the OT but your refuse to accept them. thats your choice, but it doesn mean they arent there and more likely/logical than the ones for some of the PT errors.
if you want i can provide explanations for most of the other points you mentioned.
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also, what did Luke actually do when he got there to save anyone. all he did was almost get himself killed and have Leia RESCUE HIM.
Well, Leia wasn't taken to Vader's ship until Luke had entered Bespin's atmosphere. Also, if Luke hadn't shown up, Vader wouldn't have waited for him and probably would have gone with her to the shuttle. Thus, if Luke hadn't gone, Lando wouldn't have dared go against Vader (I assume) and she'd be dead.
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But didnt someone here once say that Leia & Luke werent originally gonna be brother and sister? so if you want to call it a plot hole (or poor planning/change in character/plot flow is more accurate) why dont you bring that up. Im not saying there are no 'plot holes' or more like inconsistancies in the OT, but most can be explained just as well (if not better) than the inconsistancies caused by the PT which should have never have occured because there was already plenty of 'fact' set down in the OT that could have easily been referenced/adhered to.
That's the point I'm trying to make. Because Lucas fudged things up even between the second and third films, he created the continuity error I'm talking about.
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Maybe the radar just pickes up ships, how do you know it differentiates between TIE fighters and Star Destroyers. with all the cloud cars flying around maybe he missed it.
You all are continuing this idea that I said Star Destroyers and TIE fighters landed. I'm not at all. I'm just talking about the Imperial Shuttle. I believe in ANH, Han looks at the radar and says "two TIE fighters coming in" or something like that.
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Cloaking device. I believe the line was "No ship that small has a cloaking device" Keep in mind this is said by an Imperial Officer who is also probably cocky because he is the commander of a Star Destroyer of the Galactic Empire. Maybe power consumption of the cloaking devices would be too much for a normal ship that size. maybe there are civilian issue cloaking devices that you cant get put on ships that small for 'legality' reasons, ie the Empire doesnt allow it. but it never said they couldnt have one on it, just no ship does. But we all know Han has made plenty of modifications to the Falcon, many that im sure the Empire or any officials would even think to look for on his ship so why not a cloaking device. Because some Imperial Officer said so? So far in the films the Imperial Officers havent really giving me much of a reason to have the most confidence in them.
Now who is stretching. And you aren't following. The Falcon having a cloaking device isn't the problem. It's the Slave I and the Imperial Shuttle that I'm talking about. If the Imperial Shuttle had a cloaking device, I'm sure Han would have used it going down to Endor.
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assuming radar works like it does here, its also very likely that while in a busy city a radar is a bit crowded and kind of hard to pick out an Imperial Shuttle landing. Plus, the shuttle might be 'drowned out' or all together hidden due to its positioning in the city/hangar bay/landing area.
Did you see alot of air traffic when we saw the shots of Bespin? I didn't.
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remember it was you who said you would be willing to provide answers/reasons for the plot holes in the PT. well, you have answers/reasons provided for what you find to be plot holes in the OT but your refuse to accept them. thats your choice, but it doesn mean they arent there and more likely/logical than the ones for some of the PT errors.
Never said there weren't explanations for these, but these are continuity errors all the same that take a considerable amount of squinting to make believable. So, anyone that can do that for these things, I don't want to hear complaints about the PT.
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but thats not really the point. the point is that Yoda never really leaves (or tells Luk) to leave) Leia to die which is what you said. And if Luke had stayed and completed his training there might not have been any need for another hope to be present. I mean, if this 'other' existed from the beginning why didnt Ben and Yoda just start training them both and have them fight Vader and the Emperor together, would have made it a lot easier. maybe they know more about the situation than we do.
I never continued any idea bout the Star Destroyer and TIE fighters landing. I said that the radar might not be able to distinguish (or maybe it was broken, i mean much as I love the ship, the Falcon is a 'hunk a junk') between the two. read the comment and it never even says that a ship had to currently be on the planet at the time, just that even if they were (both, just one, or none) maybe it couldnt differentiate.
there were at least a couple ships flying around, plus if han sees a blip on the radar he's supposed to assume it belongs to the Empire who he was more than convinced that he left wondering what happened to him. I mean, he's in a mining city, it could be any number of transports. plus if you go by your time line the shuttle would most likely be landing or even landed at that point so not be in range of his radar. plus floating city, access from all sides? maybe they came in the back door.
Imperial shuttle doesnt have a cloaking device because of its use in the Empire, why would they waste money fitting it with a cloaking device? also, apparently, based on the Imperial Officers comment, the Empire doesnt put cloaking devices on ships that small, which is why he would beleive that no ship that small has a cloaking device. so all it takes is for one officer to be wrong (not that much of a stretch considering who we are dealing with) and that comment means absolutly nothing.
I would be suprised it Fett didnt have a cloaking device, in his line of work its very likely that he would. which reminds me, we saw where fett was parked, did you see a docking bay with the Falcon on it? more reason to believe they were on different sides of the city.
im not squinting, i can come up with these explanations (and even more complicated ones for OT and PT) pretty darn easily. Besides, most movies have little inconsistancies here and there. I never said that these bother me. or that the ones in the PT bother me. the ones that bother me are the ones between the PT and OT that are caused by the poor planing/writing of the PT stories.
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Never said there weren't explanations for these, but these are continuity errors all the same that take a considerable amount of squinting to make believable. So, anyone that can do that for these things, I don't want to hear complaints about the PT.
totally agree, goes well with my theory that many people out there consciously (or maybe subconsciously) want to hate the PT because they dont want anything to be as good as their sacred Star Wars. Even a perfect PT storyline/movies wouldnt have satisfied some people.
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Well, Leia wasn't taken to Vader's ship until Luke had entered Bespin's atmosphere. Also, if Luke hadn't shown up, Vader wouldn't have waited for him and probably would have gone with her to the shuttle. Thus, if Luke hadn't gone, Lando wouldn't have dared go against Vader (I assume) and she'd be dead.
or be used as bait to lure in skywalker at a later time,which was vaders plan the whole time.
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That's the point I'm trying to make. Because Lucas fudged things up even between the second and third films, he created the continuity error I'm talking about.
Then why not just say so in the beginning???
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Maybe the radar just pickes up ships, how do you know it differentiates between TIE fighters and Star Destroyers. with all the cloud cars flying around maybe he missed it.
You all are continuing this idea that I said Star Destroyers and TIE fighters landed. I'm not at all. I'm just talking about the Imperial Shuttle. I believe in ANH, Han looks at the radar and says "two TIE fighters coming in" or something like that.
its because you mentioned troop careers and other such thing in your complaint. and again if they had already arrived they had probably already landed, thus not on the radar.
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Cloaking device. I believe the line was "No ship that small has a cloaking device" Keep in mind this is said by an Imperial Officer who is also probably cocky because he is the commander of a Star Destroyer of the Galactic Empire. Maybe power consumption of the cloaking devices would be too much for a normal ship that size. maybe there are civilian issue cloaking devices that you cant get put on ships that small for 'legality' reasons, ie the Empire doesnt allow it. but it never said they couldnt have one on it, just no ship does. But we all know Han has made plenty of modifications to the Falcon, many that im sure the Empire or any officials would even think to look for on his ship so why not a cloaking device. Because some Imperial Officer said so? So far in the films the Imperial Officers havent really giving me much of a reason to have the most confidence in them.
Now who is stretching. And you aren't following. The Falcon having a cloaking device isn't the problem. It's the Slave I and the Imperial Shuttle that I'm talking about. If the Imperial Shuttle had a cloaking device, I'm sure Han would have used it going down to Endor.
cause he didnt want to blow up when his ship hit the deflector sheild???
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assuming radar works like it does here, its also very likely that while in a busy city a radar is a bit crowded and kind of hard to pick out an Imperial Shuttle landing. Plus, the shuttle might be 'drowned out' or all together hidden due to its positioning in the city/hangar bay/landing area.
Did you see alot of air traffic when we saw the shots of Bespin? I didn't.
i dont recall any shots of the entire cloud city that lasted more than a few seconds.
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remember it was you who said you would be willing to provide answers/reasons for the plot holes in the PT. well, you have answers/reasons provided for what you find to be plot holes in the OT but your refuse to accept them. thats your choice, but it doesn mean they arent there and more likely/logical than the ones for some of the PT errors.
Never said there weren't explanations for these, but these are continuity errors all the same that take a considerable amount of squinting to make believable. So, anyone that can do that for these things, I don't want to hear complaints about the PT.
i dont see any amount of huge squinting going on. i will be the first to admit that the OOT has issues, what film doesnt? I just concur with others that the PT has many more...
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Leia as Luke's sister is the biggest continuity error in the films and really causes the biggest problems.
As I said in the previous post, I'm pretty sure Han can tell what kinds of ships they are on the Falcon's radar. I'll have to rewatch it and find out, but I'm pretty sure he distinguishes between them when either the two Star Destroyer's come up behind him or the TIE fighters come after him the dog fight.
And if you agree with me that the Imperial Shuttle doesn't have a cloaking device, then the only explanations availble for Han not seeing it arrive just before he did is that his radar stopped working or there is a timeline problem.
The officer said it, he could be wrong, but by saying it, you create a 'law' in a movies universe. The break that law, you have to provide a spoken or shown instance in which this law is contradicted. This is a problem with alot of the continuity errors between the 6 films. Some you can explain because the 'law' is elaborated on, others (Obi-Wan once thought as you did) you have to stretch to find a viable answer. You can do the most outlandish things in a movie, but once you set up the 'laws' of that world in which the movies takes place, to keep the audience believing, you have to try not to break those laws. Like, if out of the blue Luke started flying. Eh eh, I'm not buying it.
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or be used as bait to lure in skywalker at a later time,which was vaders plan the whole time.
If so, then Lando wouldn't have been present and Luke WOULD have to defeat Vader to secure her release and his. Otherwise, they'd both be dead.
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Then why not just say so in the beginning???
I'm pretty sure I did, in the first post or implied it when I stated the thing about incest and then this right after it.
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its because you mentioned troop careers and other such thing in your complaint. and again if they had already arrived they had probably already landed, thus not on the radar.
It still creates a timeline problem. If the troops had already landed, why shoot at Han before he lands?
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cause he didnt want to blow up when his ship hit the deflector sheild???
Valid point. But did the planet have a deflector shield or the DSII? Cause, I'd be thinking the Rebels would be getting on that whole planet deflector shield thing.
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i dont recall any shots of the entire cloud city that lasted more than a few seconds.
That doesn't matter. You see it when Han is flying in, and that's the only time that matters.
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i dont see any amount of huge squinting going on. i will be the first to admit that the OOT has issues, what film doesnt? I just concur with others that the PT has many more...
How many more? I mean, for their to be 'many' more, I would expect a significant number.
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if the ship is landed and therefore not on the radar, which why would you be looking at the radar if you where flying into your home boys city?, and on the other side of the city. Remember that han is escorted to a specific landing site, and that he is flying through the clouds both which would have both effected his vision...
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Besides, he killed like 5 Imperial Officers for burning his toast earlier in the film
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but he is the one that also stopped Leia from being terminated immediatly thus ultimatly saving her life.
there is one other explanation for Han not seeing the shuttle. actually two, one it was far enough away or in such a position that his radar didnt pick it up (buildings and other structures will block radar) or he just flat out wasnt paying attention to his radar at that point for whatever reason, his cockiness, preoccupied because of the cloud car firing on him, lack of sleep (think about it, when did you see any of the characters sleep during the movie, they were bound to make mistakes cause they were tired
)I dont agree that just because something is said by a minor character makes it 100% true no matter what unless some other character gives a detailed explanation on why its false and the audience votes to repeal that 'movie law'
look, our responses are getting shorter...2 or 3 more and we should be all in agreement, or at least satsified with each others point of view
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look, our responses are getting shorter...2 or 3 more and we should be all in agreement, or at least satsified with each others point of view
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If so, then Lando wouldn't have been present and Luke WOULD have to defeat Vader to secure her release and his. Otherwise, they'd both be dead.
vader would not kill his bait, and if luke shows up later and challenges him i am sure that he would follow throught with either the convert to the darkside himself plan or the take it to the emporer
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I'm pretty sure I did, in the first post or implied it when I stated the thing about incest and then this right after it.
you said it once and then went on other complaints
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It still creates a timeline problem. If the troops had already landed, why shoot at Han before he lands?
cause lando is trying to scare them away?
cause lando is messing with him like on the plat form?
maybe the sky car guys are following proticall?
maybe the sky car is freaked out cause he just heard vader is here?
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cause he didnt want to blow up when his ship hit the deflector sheild???
Valid point. But did the planet have a deflector shield or the DSII? Cause, I'd be thinking the Rebels would be getting on that whole planet deflector shield thing.
han has to give them the code to get the shield taken down. "Its an older code, but let them through"...
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That doesn't matter. You see it when Han is flying in, and that's the only time that matters.
you cant guage the busyness of the city off of one select shot, thats like saying there is no traffic in a city because one area is clear...
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i dont see any amount of huge squinting going on. i will be the first to admit that the OOT has issues, what film doesnt? I just concur with others that the PT has many more...
How many more? I mean, for their to be 'many' more, I would expect a significant number.
perhaps at a later date i will give that a go, but at this time i will simply let it go, i dont have the time to think and list em all...
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no, never seen it...is it any good? maybe ill check it out at some point when i have some free time.
Yes, it is good. It's the film Hogan's Heroes was based on, without the completely over the top silliness.
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ps, heh, thats an abrupt off topic switch
Well, I'm watching ESB right now before I go any further, just to be 100% sure.
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heh, actually, yeah, i would say that maybe cause hes supposedly such a good bounty hunter he 'infered' where they were going (closest system, was in that general direction) but (and i didnt load up ESB) yeah, following closely behind the Falcon, either he's really good and stayed in Han's blind spot (do space ships have blind spots what with radar and all) or Han, Chewie, and Leia are blind
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Boba Fett's a ninja bounty hunter, he was stalking them in the shadows, hidden in plain site
heh, actually, yeah, i would say that maybe cause hes supposedly such a good bounty hunter he 'infered' where they were going (closest system, was in that general direction) but (and i didnt load up ESB) yeah, following closely behind the Falcon, either he's really good and stayed in Han's blind spot (do space ships have blind spots what with radar and all) or Han, Chewie, and Leia are blind
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We could also assume that since HE knows Han from **shudder** ANH, that he also knows Lando and knows that the two were friends. So, he could have said to himself 'Lendough sisteam? 'Lendoughzz naught a sisteam, hez ah min' and figured it out. Still, he is tooooooo close after they clear the trash for him not to be seen.
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I think THAT scene needs some love from the people at LFL. I don't understand the laser blasts hitting Vader or what Han's pistol is doing.
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I agree with what Darth Simon said about... well, pretty much everything. He just got to it before I did. Yoda apparently knows that he has two options, but Luke apparently has more potential as a Jedi than Leia, so he'd prefer to train him. Why would you go with your "backup" plan when your number one is right in front of you? So if Luke stayed to complete his training, Yoda would be able to train him to be powerful enough to defeat the Empire and wouldn't need Leia. He tells Ben there is another, because if Luke gets killed while trying to rescue Leia, then he can train Leia. How he knows that Leia will be survive if Luke doesn't, well... okay, you have a point there. I always have been disappointed with the way the "another" was touted as this big thing yet it never really comes to anything. With the way it was talked about, you would expect this "other" to come to Luke's aid at the big showdown in ROTJ and save the day.
But I don't see the point in saying that Lando wouldn't stand up to Vader if Luke didn't come. Luke had nothing to do with Lando's decision to step in. It was when things were going completely different than Vader had promised. Han was as good as dead, and Leia and Chewie were as well if Lando didn't step in. If anything, Luke's arrival hindered their escape because they had to go back for him.
And something that I know for sure no one else has addressed in this thread... Luke was talking about the Imperial Academy when speaking of Biggs and Tank. They joined the Imperial Academy, and that's where Luke was aiming to go as well. But in that Biggs on Tatooine scene that was cut out of the movie, Biggs informs Luke that, the next chance he gets, he's going to defect to the Rebel Alliance. Who's to say that Tank does the same thing, though? As for Tanks's whereabouts when Luke is reunited with Biggs on Yavin? He could be an Imperial officer for all we know!
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Originally posted by: Gaffer TapeBut I don't see the point in saying that Lando wouldn't stand up to Vader if Luke didn't come. Luke had nothing to do with Lando's decision to step in. It was when things were going completely different than Vader had promised. Han was as good as dead, and Leia and Chewie were as well if Lando didn't step in. If anything, Luke's arrival hindered their escape because they had to go back for him.
Um, no. Lando cowered everytime Vader said anything to him. Lando only stood up to the Empire when Vader was distracted. If Vader had been walking with the Stormtroopers to the shuttle, I don't think Lando could have found enough courage, even if it was out of the bottom of a Colt .45.
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And something that I know for sure no one else has addressed in this thread... Luke was talking about the Imperial Academy when speaking of Biggs and Tank. They joined the Imperial Academy, and that's where Luke was aiming to go as well. But in that Biggs on Tatooine scene that was cut out of the movie, Biggs informs Luke that, the next chance he gets, he's going to defect to the Rebel Alliance. Who's to say that Tank does the same thing, though? As for Tanks's whereabouts when Luke is reunited with Biggs on Yavin? He could be an Imperial officer for all we know!
That's a good point, but you'd think Luke would bring him up when talking to Biggs about Tattoine. Oh well, just one of those things.
Here's a continuity error, but it's a simple one that happens in all films:
Luke goes out the window in the air shaft on Bespin and falls down towards the platform below, in which he has to grapple the side of the walkway to stay from plummeting to his death. Both hands, holding tight on the walkways. Where does his lightsaber go and how does he get it back in the next scene?
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Originally posted by: Gaffer TapeBut I don't see the point in saying that Lando wouldn't stand up to Vader if Luke didn't come. Luke had nothing to do with Lando's decision to step in. It was when things were going completely different than Vader had promised. Han was as good as dead, and Leia and Chewie were as well if Lando didn't step in. If anything, Luke's arrival hindered their escape because they had to go back for him.
Um, no. Lando cowered everytime Vader said anything to him. Lando only stood up to the Empire when Vader was distracted. If Vader had been walking with the Stormtroopers to the shuttle, I don't think Lando could have found enough courage, even if it was out of the bottom of a Colt .45.Quote
And something that I know for sure no one else has addressed in this thread... Luke was talking about the Imperial Academy when speaking of Biggs and Tank. They joined the Imperial Academy, and that's where Luke was aiming to go as well. But in that Biggs on Tatooine scene that was cut out of the movie, Biggs informs Luke that, the next chance he gets, he's going to defect to the Rebel Alliance. Who's to say that Tank does the same thing, though? As for Tanks's whereabouts when Luke is reunited with Biggs on Yavin? He could be an Imperial officer for all we know!
That's a good point, but you'd think Luke would bring him up when talking to Biggs about Tattoine. Oh well, just one of those things.
Here's a continuity error, but it's a simple one that happens in all films:
Luke goes out the window in the air shaft on Bespin and falls down towards the platform below, in which he has to grapple the side of the walkway to stay from plummeting to his death. Both hands, holding tight on the walkways. Where does his lightsaber go and how does he get it back in the next scene?
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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Here's a continuity error, but it's a simple one that happens in all films:
Luke goes out the window in the air shaft on Bespin and falls down towards the platform below, in which he has to grapple the side of the walkway to stay from plummeting to his death. Both hands, holding tight on the walkways. Where does his lightsaber go and how does he get it back in the next scene?
You know, I've always wondered about that. I always thought I saw it clipped to his belt, but last time I watched it, I didn't see it. Maybe it is, and we have to assume it's one of those Force things. If it isn't, maybe it landed somewhere off camera but still on the platform for Luke to retrieve it.
As for Lando, he had already decided to rebel once Vader gave his, "Pray I don't alter it any further" line. Notice how he looks at Lobot right then? The way I interpreted it was that he then sent Lobot to wherever it was that he was when Lando communicated with him via watch. He had been sent ahead to get those guard ready to overtake the storm troopers. So it was Lando finally getting fed up with being used that caused him to put his plan into motion. I'll say that it wasn't Luke's presence that caused Vader to be distracted but that he was supposed to come. I think even if Luke had been later in coming (it's simple movie convenience that Luke showed up just late enough for Han to be lost but just in time to see Leia and later be saved by her), Vader still would have waited for him. Even if Luke had never showed up at all, Vader would still be waiting for him. He had no way of knowing for sure (until he was told or was able to sense him) if Luke would show up or not. Just like Yoda couldn't see into the future completely accurately, I don't think Vader could either.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.