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Originally posted by: Darth Simon
also, what did Luke actually do when he got there to save anyone. all he did was almost get himself killed and have Leia RESCUE HIM.
Well, Leia wasn't taken to Vader's ship until Luke had entered Bespin's atmosphere. Also, if Luke hadn't shown up, Vader wouldn't have waited for him and probably would have gone with her to the shuttle. Thus, if Luke hadn't gone, Lando wouldn't have dared go against Vader (I assume) and she'd be dead.
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But didnt someone here once say that Leia & Luke werent originally gonna be brother and sister? so if you want to call it a plot hole (or poor planning/change in character/plot flow is more accurate) why dont you bring that up. Im not saying there are no 'plot holes' or more like inconsistancies in the OT, but most can be explained just as well (if not better) than the inconsistancies caused by the PT which should have never have occured because there was already plenty of 'fact' set down in the OT that could have easily been referenced/adhered to.
That's the point I'm trying to make. Because Lucas fudged things up even between the second and third films, he created the continuity error I'm talking about.
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Maybe the radar just pickes up ships, how do you know it differentiates between TIE fighters and Star Destroyers. with all the cloud cars flying around maybe he missed it.
You all are continuing this idea that I said Star Destroyers and TIE fighters landed. I'm not at all. I'm just talking about the Imperial Shuttle. I believe in ANH, Han looks at the radar and says "two TIE fighters coming in" or something like that.
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Cloaking device. I believe the line was "No ship that small has a cloaking device" Keep in mind this is said by an Imperial Officer who is also probably cocky because he is the commander of a Star Destroyer of the Galactic Empire. Maybe power consumption of the cloaking devices would be too much for a normal ship that size. maybe there are civilian issue cloaking devices that you cant get put on ships that small for 'legality' reasons, ie the Empire doesnt allow it. but it never said they couldnt have one on it, just no ship does. But we all know Han has made plenty of modifications to the Falcon, many that im sure the Empire or any officials would even think to look for on his ship so why not a cloaking device. Because some Imperial Officer said so? So far in the films the Imperial Officers havent really giving me much of a reason to have the most confidence in them.
Now who is stretching. And you aren't following. The Falcon having a cloaking device isn't the problem. It's the Slave I and the Imperial Shuttle that I'm talking about. If the Imperial Shuttle had a cloaking device, I'm sure Han would have used it going down to Endor.
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assuming radar works like it does here, its also very likely that while in a busy city a radar is a bit crowded and kind of hard to pick out an Imperial Shuttle landing. Plus, the shuttle might be 'drowned out' or all together hidden due to its positioning in the city/hangar bay/landing area.
Did you see alot of air traffic when we saw the shots of Bespin? I didn't.
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remember it was you who said you would be willing to provide answers/reasons for the plot holes in the PT. well, you have answers/reasons provided for what you find to be plot holes in the OT but your refuse to accept them. thats your choice, but it doesn mean they arent there and more likely/logical than the ones for some of the PT errors.
Never said there weren't explanations for these, but these are continuity errors all the same that take a considerable amount of squinting to make believable. So, anyone that can do that for these things, I don't want to hear complaints about the PT.