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NeverarGreat
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD *
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12-Sep-2017, 5:25 PM

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

TV’s Frink said:

What was the problem with the ending of TFA, exactly?

The fact that it doesn’t.

To explain: Certainly TFA has an ending, more of an ending than some movies at any rate. The problem is that it doesn’t have a Star Wars ending. In every Star Wars movie up to this one, we are able to significantly jump forward in time to the next installment, since the final scenes of each Star Wars movie before TFA have been some kind of statement or resolution (just put the words ‘deal with it’ after each of these summaries):
TPM: We saved the day. Anakin will be a Jedi.
AOTC: The Clone Wars have started. Anakin and Padme are married.
ROTS: The Empire won, our heroes are in hiding, and Anakin is Vader.
ANH: The Death Star blew up, and we’re celebrating.
ESB: We’re going to find Han no matter what.
ROTJ: The Empire lost.

TFA doesn’t end with a resolution or statement. It ends with Rey looking to Luke and basically asking him to train her. We don’t know what he will do.

And just in case you think I’m reading this as a question whereas it’s understood to be a resolution of some type, let me show you the end of the novelization:

Whether motivated by her stare or by something unknown, the figure finally turned toward her and pulled back his hood.
Luke Skywalker.
His hair and beard were white, and his countenance was haunted. He did not speak, nor did she.
Remembering, Rey reached into her pack and removed his lightsaber. Taking several steps forward, she held it out to him. An offer. A plea. The galaxy’s only hope.
She wondered what would happen next.

So it’s very clearly a cliffhanger and a question, rather than a conclusion and a statement.
Rian has even had to re-film this scene in TLJ just to answer this question. At the very least this is a complete departure from every other film in this series, and for no discernible reason other than that JJ simply had no idea where to take the story.

Sounds like that’s a “you” (and other people, to be fair to you) problem rather than a movie trilogy problem, but ok.

Also ESB isn’t that much different, and ANH was conceived as a stand-alone, and prequels lol.

The Fellowship of the Ring had an ending despite being the first movie of a trilogy. Frodo and Sam resolve to go to Mordor alone, then they start that journey as it fades to black. Nobody went back to re-film their final scene. We imagine what troubles await since we know what our characters are determined to do.

ESB had an ending despite being the second film in a trilogy. Luke and his friends resolve to find Han Solo, and then they start that search as it goes to credits. Nobody needed to re-film that scene to add more information. The journey of Luke propels him into the future, and us with him.

If TFA ended when Rey left on the Falcon to find Luke, that would be a proper ending. We would be able to imagine her long journey to Luke’s planet, and look forward to whether or not Luke would deign to train her. As it is, we’re left in the middle of a scene which the director of the next episode felt it necessary to re-film in order to complete. I don’t know what’s so difficult about understanding it. It’s certainly dramatic, but there is no more information in her handing the lightsaber to Luke than when she determined to seek him out aboard the Falcon. It’s another instance of Weaponized Intertextuality that we the audience desperately wanted to happen beyond the natural resolution of Rey’s character arc, so JJ made it happen. That’s probably why people are so defensive about this. That’s how I’ll interpret it anyway 😉

Just to make clear: TFA is a good movie, and it has an ending. The ending is just in a different place for me. Proceed with the topic at hand.