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The EU doesn't count in most instances. I mean, it works in the absense of a real definition or excuse, but really...it's just a plot hole that is left unplugged. If the line about ships that small wasn't in the film, you could leave the mystery of Vader getting back. Unfortunately, you say that in the Star Wars universe, it's impossible and then expect us to believe he did it that way.
i said nearly impossible and used it as a literary devise to show how hard it would be for a regular person to hop in a regular craft and float into deep space. Further more i wasnt stating that the EU was right, just offered it as a possible explination. Is it that hard to buy that a sith lord could go into some sort of meditative state in which he could survive with out food and water longer than a normal person?
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"Once down the path of darkness, forever will it consume you", yet Luke goes down the path of darkness 3 times, the Cave, his swing at the Emperor and his assualt on his father out of rage. Yet, somehow he shakes that all off?
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i think one could easily diferintiate between heading down the dark path and slipping up 3 times. Lets look at it with different words substituting the word sin for dark side. Even great men make mistakes and sin from time to time, but that is very different from actively participating in sin, aka selling drugs, cheating on you spouse, etc.
We aren't talking about normal people, in your analogy the Jedi would be priests, and if a priests sins 3 times on such an epic scale, he wouldn't be a priest much longer. Unless he's Catholic.
haha catholic priest.
here is the whole quote
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YODA: Run! Yes. A Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware of
the dark side. Anger...fear...aggression. The dark side of the Force
are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you
start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny,
consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice.
it says start down, the dark path, maybe it is just semantics, but i think that one could easily deferintiate between starting down a path and slipping up. Priest, monks, shamans, etc. slip up all the time, but that in my mind is a not the same as embrassing the negactive and wandering down its path.
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"There is another", yet her life is meaningless enough for Yoda to let her die?
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when does yoda ever say let her die?
Yoda tells Luke to let Leia die, if he values her cause. If he let's her die, the 'other' is no longer there. Thus its a self-fullfilling prophecy. By Luke going, it preserves 'the other'. If he stays, there is no other. It's a conundrum.
here is the whole scene yoda never says let her die, only that luke needs to complete his training and ben says that not even yoda can see there fate.
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In the bright lights of the fighter, Luke loads a heavy
case into the belly of the ship. Artoo sits on top of the
X-wing, settling down into his cubbyhole. Yoda stands nearby
on a log.
YODA: Luke! You must complete the training.
LUKE: I can't keep the vision out of my head. They're my friends. I've
got to help them.
YODA: You must not go!
LUKE: But Han and Leia will die if I don't.
BEN'S VOICE: You don't know that.
Luke looks toward the voice in amazement. Ben has
materialized as a real, slightly shimmering image near Yoda.
The power of his presence stops Luke.
BEN: Even Yoda cannot see their fate.
LUKE: But I can help them! I feel the Force!
BEN: But you cannot control it. This is a dangerous time for you, when
you will be tempted by the dark side of the Force.
YODA: Yes, yes. To Obi-Wan you listen. The cave. Remember your failure
at the cave!
LUKE: But I've learned so much since then. Master Yoda, I promise to
return and finish what I've begun. You have my word.
BEN: It is you and your abilities the Emperor wants. that is why your
friends are made to suffer.
LUKE: And that is why I have to go.
BEN: Luke, I don't want to lose you to the Emperor the way I lost
Vader.
LUKE: You won't.
YODA: Stopped they must be. On this depends. Only a fully trained Jedi
Knight with the Force as his ally will conquer Vader and his Emperor.
If you end your training now, if you choose the quick and easy path,
as Vader did, you will become an agent of evil.
BEN: Patience.
LUKE: And sacrifice Han and Leia?
YODA: If you honor what they fight for...yes!
Luke is in great anguish. He struggles with the dilemma, a
battle raging in his mind.
BEN: If you choose to face Vader, you will do it alone. I cannot
interfere.
LUKE: I understand. (he moves to his X-wing) Artoo, fire up the
converters.
Artoo whistles a happy reply.
BEN: Luke, don't give in to hate -- that leads to the dark side.
Luke nods and climbs into his ship.
YODA: Strong is Vader. Mind what you have learned. Save you it can.
LUKE: I will. And I'll return. I promise.
Artoo closes the cockpit. Ben and Yoda stand watching as
the roar of the engines and the wind engulf them.
YODA: (sighs) Told you, I did. Reckless is he. Now matters are worse.
BEN: That boy is our last hope.
YODA: (looks up) No. There is another.
EXTERIOR: SPACE -- PLANET DAGOBAH
Luke's tiny X-wing rockets away from the green planet of
Dagobah and off into space.
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Boba Fett's Jedi abilities allow him to know the exact course the Falcon will be taking at a slow rate of speed, well enough to tell the Imperial Star Destroyers to go ahead, land, take control of the city, set up a garison and deal and ultimatium to Lando Calrissian.
Even if this isn't so, even if they arrived seconds before Han did, they seemed to work it all out pretty quickly cause in a matter of seconds, the Bespin planes go from shooting down the Falcon, to helping it land and Lando is able to meet them on the landing platform, all in a span of about 40 seconds. In that 40 second span, all the Imperial Troops are able to hide, so Han and Leia don't see them. Not only that, but they don't see the troop transports that would have been needed to bring the troops down to the city in the clouds, which would have had to have flown right past them to fit the above time table.
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1. its not like vader has to set up a garrison to take control, he simply has to make contact and say " listen here mr. colt 45, you either do as i say or i will level you little city. Deal?" When you can jump in a few star distroyer that are mostlikely in orbit some where else in the lando system you dont need to physically take over.
2. planets are big, and one can land on them without landing in the exact city you need to be in. Troops could have been moving all around the city from other cities all while han and leia are arguing in the room. Houston has two major air ports, one near downtown and one on the northside you could land at one and never see whats going on in the other.
I was under the impression that the city in the clouds was the only city on the planet, and that the rest of the planet was gas mining. Lando says the Empire arrived just before they got there. Thus,