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Obi-wonton
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Ideas: I've been gone for some time now...
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1-Jun-2005, 6:57 AM
As far as the tone poems I must admit I am bit ignorant when it comes to those I know about them, but I need to view them all now that you mentioned it. if I will play with a quicker edit removing the silliness and giving it a darker tone. Darth Maul I know had a line dropped "I told you there was more to this...the Jedi are involved." I was thinking about cutting the scene where Maul get cuts in half (I don't know if I like it), but it does link the Greivous thing. You're right though I'd thought of which name to choose myself to bridge it. Greivous would be easier for coninuity and it'd give so much more depth to Anakin and Obi-wan wanting to seek him out so badly. I was thinking about crosscutting a scene where Qui-gon drops to his knees when Grievous falls after Obi-wan shoots him making vengeance (and yes this jedi wants revenge for his master) darker (he has qui-gon's defiance after all). Grievous would be redubbed, I have very high-end audio software and should be able to credibly achieve this (especially with nothing to sync up). That is a wonderful point about his guards having vibroblades. I would love to play with the fight in Episode three and give him 2 dual sabers instead of 4 sabers, but I'll have to look at that, that may not be possible (I've only seen ROTS twice). Give me the dialogue for maul you are talking about. I know there was another line I've heard of that maul says "this is the beginning of the end for the jedi." Looking on TFN I like this dropped line of "You seem more worried about the Jedi than you are of me..." to the nemodians. This was cut, but I need to look at this source

Maul Getting Anxious

Jon adds this cutscene: When Obi-Wan's by the final force field in the showdown, before he duels Maul, there was a cool part after Maul activates his saber. He spins and moves to the right, spinning his saber in the process, right before the force field deactivates. In the movie, you can see him still moving to the right, and his light saber now on his right, instead of infront and some what to the left. In the ep 1 game for the PC, I think it's the load game thing. Hover the mouse over it, and you can see the entire scene, uncut.

This is the dialogue I think you are referring to:

Darth Maul and Obi-Wan Chat

Another item that was in the Insider's Guide is very cool. In one of the drafts of TPM, Lucas added some dialogue between Obi-Wan and Maul after Qui-Gon is killed:


Obi-Wan: "Your style of fighting is old, but I understand it now..."
Maul: "You learn fast."
Obi-Wan: "You don't bother to learn."
Maul: "I don't have to."
Obi-Wan then cuts Maul in half and says: "Learn not, live not, my master always says."

This is cool about the power of the sith...

Although never filmed, one of the coolest scenes cut from the revised draft is when Sidious is contacted for the first time and Daultay Dofine argues with him. Sidious begins Force-choking Dofine and picks him up off the ground and says,"You fool, my reach is far greater than the Jedi. Only a Sith can wield the force over such a great distance."

This is from TFN too about obi-wan and maul in the desert:

Also, it was noticed in the illustrated screenplay, there are storyboard drawings of Darth Maul fighting Obi-Wan in the desert, so maybe originaly both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were supposed to fight him? or Lucas wasn't sure who would fight who? Interesting, and we just thought that was a promotional picture in Vanity Fair. We'll keep working on that one. Here's a brief update as well, courtesy of Michael:

In the first few drafts of the screenplay it was OBI-WAN who went into the Tatooine marketplace, not QUI-GON, as he hadn't been introduced into the story yet (as he first appeared on Coruscant). So in that sith encounter in the desert it was OBI-WAN who fought Maul. But that still does not explain why they made storyboards. They may have just made rough ones in very early production for Lucas so he could see what the sequence would look like.

Further this felt odd in the theatrical version and makes sense now...I don't like the eopies anyway (cut)

Borrowing the Eopies

Remember when Qui-Gon leaves to return and pick up Anakin, He's riding on a horse like animal and holding the reigns of a second one (for Anakin to ride back on, I thought). Yet Qui-Gon and Anakin are shown walking back to the Queen's ship when they are attracted by Maul. So, what happened to the horse like animals? Where they given to Shimi? Stolen? Where they injured and left behind? Interesting note, but there is no mention of them in the novel. Good observation, and the again the novelization comes into play: It shows that Qui-Gon has borrowed the Eeopies and is returning them. That's why they walk back. They run back to the ship because after Anakin leaves his mother, a Sith probe droid spots them and Qui-Gon slashes it with his saber. They then rush back to the ship, which is why they are running.

Further, I got this there as well about there possibly being more than 2...and it would make a good scroll...oh and here's news I might do more than 3/6 movies. I like the idea of trilogies. I might do 3 trilogies (as originally intended) that are shorter, tighter and can add more into scroll for each. A trinity of trinities. Perfection will be attained. Oh and that background on the rules of sith...

History of the Sith

The book also gives a history of the Siths. And that the Siths wiped each other out and only one survived - Darth Bane. He developed the idea of only two Siths at a time to prevent internal problems. Lucas has said: "One of the themes throughout the films is that the Sith Lords, when they started out thousands of years ago, embraced the Dark Side. They were greedy and self-centered and they all wanted to take over, so they killed each other. Eventually there was only one left, and that one took on an apprentice. And for thousands of years, the master would teach the apprentice, the master would die, the apprentice would then teach another apprentice, become the master, and so on. But there could never be more than two of them, because if there were, they woud try to get rid of the leader, which is exactly what Vader was trying to do, and that's exactly what the Emperor was trying to do. The Emperor was trying to get rid of Vader, and Vader was trying to get rid of the Emperor. And that is the antithesis of a symbiotic relationship, in which, if you do that, you become cancer, and you eventually kill the host, and everything dies." So does this mean there CAN be more Sith than two? Cool.


More Maul from TFN...

Many astute readers have pointed out many of Darth Maul's lines missing. While watching the Stars Wars Video Duel of the Fates it was noticed that these lines did not appear in the film. For example, Darth Maul says "Fear is my ally. Fear attracts the fearful." While not appearing in the script itself, it is unclear if this could have appeared in the movie. Possibly it was created for the Tone Poem and DOTF Video as a stand-alone, or it may have simply been cut.

And this has revealed on of my titles for the films..."Duel of the Fates", "Shroud of the Dark Side" was planned ever since yoda says that line at the end of ATOC, although I saw Trooperman had thought of using that title as well, I think it would work better with an expanded series of films. Not sure yet. "Fall of the Republic" is another giving homage to fanfic from 1983. We'll see.

As far as Qui-gon he will get some more play, I can easily add ethereal lines back in but doing a ghost of him, get more involved. I have Vegas, Acid, and Sound Forge, but I do not have something like After Effects. I have been kicking around a lofty idea of maul, the emperor, etc. in hell. Mustafah is based off of Lucas' original idea of having the emperor's lair b