Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 424

NeverarGreat said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

What do you mean Republicans are saying the name of their party wrong?

“Their” in that context meaning the Democratic Party, not the Republican Party. As an exercise, go through any official Republican press release, speech by a Republican national candidate, or opinion piece by a Republican political operative, for the past ten years, and see if you can find even one saying the words “Democratic Party” when talking about their opposition. Just one reference using the actual name of a major US political party in the age of the Internet when anyone can look anything up, shouldn’t be a problem, right? Yeah, not so much. Now go back thirty years, and the same exercise is easy.

They once got it right every single time, and then suddenly they all got it wrong every single time. Staying on message is one thing the Republicans tend to do very well, even for petty name-calling. Shit, look at Freedom Fries or Death Taxes or whatnot. They even rode with Homicide Bombers for a week or so when even their own people couldn’t bear how stupid it sounded from the get-go. They practically have their own Newspeak division.

Although calling them the ‘Democrat Party’ was an insult by Republicans, it has been so ingrained in their speech patterns that they probably think theirs is the ‘proper’ way of saying it. There’s some sense to that after all. The Republicans and the Republican party are the same word, so it makes sense that the Democrats and the Democrat party would follow the same rule. It’s stupid, sure. But at least there’s some consistency in that thought.

Oh I get that after so many years, it’s ingrained and people have even been raised never knowing it by another name so it probably sounds wrong when it’s said correctly. But the point is that it was a conscious choice to do things wrong, in an attempt to goad Dems into wasting their time being pedantic and correct instead of talking about issues. You think Dubya didn’t really know how to pronounce “nuclear”? That was as rehearsed as his fake Texas accent, designed to make him seem the poor everyman, beset by the mocking self-righteous intelligentsia. And it worked.

So when you make fun of Trump, don’t do it about the P’s and Q’s. Just stick to the pee.

I find it kind of ironic how people are referring to the stereotype of the highly-educated, maybe liberals, while also using the big word “intelligentsia.”

yhwx said:

I find it kind of ironic how people are referring to the stereotype of the highly-educated, maybe liberals, while also using the big word “intelligentsia.”

It’s okay to use the word as long as you don’t spell it right 😉

It’s the possibility he misspells lunch as launch I tend to lose sleep over. 😉

I’ve known physicists who mispronounce “nuclear”. I’m not convinced Bush did that on purpose. Do you have a source on that?

CatBus said:

NeverarGreat said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

What do you mean Republicans are saying the name of their party wrong?

“Their” in that context meaning the Democratic Party, not the Republican Party. As an exercise, go through any official Republican press release, speech by a Republican national candidate, or opinion piece by a Republican political operative, for the past ten years, and see if you can find even one saying the words “Democratic Party” when talking about their opposition. Just one reference using the actual name of a major US political party in the age of the Internet when anyone can look anything up, shouldn’t be a problem, right? Yeah, not so much. Now go back thirty years, and the same exercise is easy.

They once got it right every single time, and then suddenly they all got it wrong every single time. Staying on message is one thing the Republicans tend to do very well, even for petty name-calling. Shit, look at Freedom Fries or Death Taxes or whatnot. They even rode with Homicide Bombers for a week or so when even their own people couldn’t bear how stupid it sounded from the get-go. They practically have their own Newspeak division.

Although calling them the ‘Democrat Party’ was an insult by Republicans, it has been so ingrained in their speech patterns that they probably think theirs is the ‘proper’ way of saying it. There’s some sense to that after all. The Republicans and the Republican party are the same word, so it makes sense that the Democrats and the Democrat party would follow the same rule. It’s stupid, sure. But at least there’s some consistency in that thought.

Oh I get that after so many years, it’s ingrained and people have even been raised never knowing it by another name so it probably sounds wrong when it’s said correctly. But the point is that it was a conscious choice to do things wrong, in an attempt to goad Dems into wasting their time being pedantic and correct instead of talking about issues. You think Dubya didn’t really know how to pronounce “nuclear”? That was as rehearsed as his fake Texas accent, designed to make him seem the poor everyman, beset by the mocking self-righteous intelligentsia. And it worked.

So when you make fun of Trump, don’t do it about the P’s and Q’s. Just stick to the pee.

Not defending Bush, but it is possible to pick up the local accent if you live somewhere long enough. In the early 2000’s I talked on the phone once with someone I knew in the 80’s, and I absolutely did not recognize their voice. They had picked up a southern accent in about a decade.

Those are fair points. Not everyone who grew up in the northeast retains a northeast accent forever, and nucyular is a midwest staple. They just seem like two very politically advantageous speech developments, but maybe that’s all it is.

Also his Texas accent is like a terrible Hollywood attempt, but maybe that’s what you get when you mash up Texas and Connecticut.

I knew a guy in college who was a surfer and they sounded exactly like every surfer dude you ever heard in an 80’s teen comedy. Actually got him to do a voice for one of my video projects back then because he sounded perfect.

What is the correct way to pronounce “nuclear,” by the way? I don’t want to sound uneducated… or maybe I do.

Also, I doubt that very many people care how people pronounce nuclear.

Wait, is it nu-c-u-lar or new-clear?

Oddly, in places where people say “nucyular”, they don’t say “nucyulus”. Similarly they “worsh” their clothes, but never to get out a “squorsh” stain. Language is weird. DE is correct that as a mispronunciation gains wide enough acceptance among any group, it becomes de facto correct as an alternate pronunciation.

Still though, I know a lady who says “srimp cocktail”. I will personally make sure that never makes it into the English lexicon. It is my life’s goal.

If I were to be snobby about it, which pronunciation would I use?

The canonical pronunciation is “noo-klee-er”. But a sizeable portion of the nation (parts of the midwest, maybe others) say “noo-kyoo-ler”, which is fingernails on a chalkboard to me, but is… sigh… probably considered a legitimate regional variation by now.

EDIT: But say “srimp cocktail” and I will end you.

Nice, I pronounce it correctly.

I think I have a very non-distinct and boring dialect. Oh well.

Mass media generally aims for some universally intelligible and inoffensive dialect, which becomes boring only by association. But it’s still as much a dialect as any other.

I know a guy who thought British accents disappeared when they started singing. He seemed heartbroken that it was a marketing decision for some British singers to try to sound more American for the larger marketplace, and not some sort of universality of the language of music.

The Justice Department just confirmed that this photo has been manipulated.

That’s a shocker nobody saw coming. Well, everyone but Fo.

I honestly think that some people cannot hear the difference between NUKE-LEE-ER (correct) and NUKE-YOU-LAR (incorrect). When I worked at a defense contractor, we had a highly educated engineer who said the latter, and we tried very slowly to teach him how to say it properly. He swore he was pronouncing it exactly like we were. After two years he never got it, and never was able to tell them apart either.