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generalfrevious said:

chyron8472 said:

But again, Trump will not bring the coal industry back. He can’t. The energy industry isn’t going that way. He can’t continue to win the favor of the rust belt when they can look at his record and see that he didn’t do squat for them. When he got elected, they thought he might; or at least thought there was a better chance he would than that Hillary would. But he won’t, and in 3 years, they will see that.

He got elected in part as a protest candidate, but as an incumbent, he can’t do that. In 2016 he had no record other than being a businessman. But now he is a politician, and he can’t oppose the status quo when he is the status quo.

Trump can distract his base from lack of industrial jobs by creating scapegoats such as immigrants, or the media, or the GOP establishment. He can just claim he was impeded in his agenda by the Washington elite and fake news. It wouldn’t be hard for him to get reelected as long as he keeps that one third loyal to him for the next three years.

No. You’re assuming that his base is the only political demographic that matters. Again, OBAMA WON TWICE. There are reasons why Obama won. Trump’s base didn’t just materialize from the ether. These people existed beforehand. They existed when Bill Clinton was elected twice and when Barack Obama was elected twice.

Why are you so adamant to insist that the (Neo)Nazis are taking over the world again? Trump did not win by a wide margin. He won Michigan by 0.3%; He won Ohio and Wisconsin by 0.7%. He didn’t win every state he won by huge margins. Some of them, yes. But not all of them.

And he was up against Hillary. Lots of people in this country HAAATE Hillary Clinton, and not merely because she’s a woman. They hate her because they view her as corrupt. They hate her because they perceive that she can not identify with their circumstances. They hate her because they think she commits crimes and gets away with it. Now, whether these things are true or not, it still speaks to their perspective. And she did nothing that alleviated it. When Debbie Schultz was accused of railroading Bernie and was kicked out of heading the DNC, Hillary immediately hired her for her campaign staff. When people confronted Hillary with questions about circumstances that cast her as corrupt, she deflected it. She kept on about why Trump would be horrible instead. To be sure, Trump is horrible and dangerous, but Hillary did nothing to MAKE HERSELF RELATABLE. That’s probably why when the Comey letter came out, her poll numbers dropped like a rock instead of people brushing it off. People were tired of her perceived shenanigans.

In any case, Trumps base alone does not win elections. I don’t know why you insist that they do, as though the Democratic Party is imploding with no chance of recovery. The Democrats just picked a bad candidate.

JEDIT: Let me be clear. I voted for Hillary–both in the general and the primary. I would have voted for Hillary in 2008 if Obama wasn’t running. But I can see how Hillary herself is out of touch with why she lost; and in so being, why her campaign was pretty much doomed.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

generalfrevious said:

chyron8472 said:

But again, Trump will not bring the coal industry back. He can’t. The energy industry isn’t going that way. He can’t continue to win the favor of the rust belt when they can look at his record and see that he didn’t do squat for them. When he got elected, they thought he might; or at least thought there was a better chance he would than that Hillary would. But he won’t, and in 3 years, they will see that.

He got elected in part as a protest candidate, but as an incumbent, he can’t do that. In 2016 he had no record other than being a businessman. But now he is a politician, and he can’t oppose the status quo when he is the status quo.

Trump can distract his base from lack of industrial jobs by creating scapegoats such as immigrants, or the media, or the GOP establishment. He can just claim he was impeded in his agenda by the Washington elite and fake news. It wouldn’t be hard for him to get reelected as long as he keeps that one third loyal to him for the next three years.

No. You’re assuming that his base is the only political demographic that matters. Again, OBAMA WON TWICE. There are reasons why Obama won. Trump’s base didn’t just materialize from the ether. These people existed beforehand. They existed when Bill Clinton was elected twice and when Barack Obama was elected twice.

Why are you so adamant to insist that the (Neo)Nazis are taking over the world again? Trump did not win by a wide margin. He won Michigan by 0.3%; He won Ohio and Wisconsin by 0.7%. He didn’t win every state he won by huge margins. Some of them, yes. But not all of them.

And he was up against Hillary. Lots of people in this country HAAATE Hillary Clinton, and not merely because she’s a woman. They hate her because they view her as corrupt. They hate her because they perceive that she can not identify with their circumstances. They hate her because they think she commits crimes and gets away with it. Now, whether these things are true or not, it still speaks to their perspective. And she did nothing that alleviated it. When Debbie Schultz was accused of railroading Bernie and was kicked out of heading the DNC, Hillary immediately hired her for her campaign staff. When people confronted Hillary with questions about circumstances that cast her as corrupt, she deflected it. She kept on about why Trump would be horrible instead. To be sure, Trump is horrible and dangerous, but Hillary did nothing to MAKE HERSELF RELATABLE. That’s probably why when the Comey letter came out, her poll numbers dropped like a rock instead of people brushing it off. People were tired of her perceived shenanigans.

In any case, Trumps base alone does not win elections. I don’t know why you insist that they do, as though the Democratic Party is imploding with no chance of recovery. The Democrats just picked a bad candidate.

JEDIT: Let me be clear. I voted for Hillary–both in the general and the primary. I would have voted for Hillary in 2008 if Obama wasn’t running. But I can see how Hillary herself is out of touch with why she lost; and in so being, why her campaign was pretty much doomed.

Conservative republicans always vote. Also, the political climate of 2020 will be different from 2016, based on what damage the GOP does in the next three years. Remember that 2018 is going to be bigger advantage to republicans than democrats (and the public) realizes: less people will be able to vote thanks to more restrictive voter ID laws, which is also why Trump won margins in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. We are seeing mass disenfranchisement of black voters unseen since the Jim Crow era; the voting right act was hollowed out by the Supreme Court in 2013, and now the results are paying off. In a fair democracy the GOP knows its ideology is politically untenable, so they have to manipulate elections (allegedly as far back as 2004) and gerrymander states to stay in power. After four years of near-one party rule, the GOP will easily keep the white house in 2020, even if Trump has low approval ratings.

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That theory falls into the “interdimensional chess” category and thus I am incredibly skeptical.

Guy’s a dumb fuck.

While he may be incompetent, that doesn’t mean he’s totally stupid. He does seem to know how to rile up a crowd (however small it may be), which is a skill, even if it’s not “academic,” per se.

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It’s also worth noting that strong support of Donald Trump is only at 18% now (question number 148) compared to 27% (question number 13) days after his inauguration. Many people are moving into that “somewhat approve” category, which might not bode well for Trump in a primary.

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Busy day in Trumpyland today. Is he thinking the Hurricane will distract people from his deeds?
And Gorka is gone.

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http://www.npr.org/2017/08/25/545282459/president-trump-pardons-former-sheriff-joe-arpaio

President Trump has pardoned controversial former Sheriff Joe Arpaio for a misdemeanor criminal contempt conviction.

A statement issued by the White House Friday night said, “Today, President Donald J. Trump granted a Presidential pardon to Joe Arpaio, former Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona.”

Known as “America’s Toughest Sheriff,” Arpaio gained a reputation for his harsh — his critics would say cruel — treatment of immigrants in the country illegally.

Arpaio was convicted of criminal contempt earlier this summer for defying a judge’s order that his deputies stop detaining immigrants because they lacked legal status. His deputies carried on the practice for 18 months.

Trump hinted at the pardon last week and again at a Phoenix rally Tuesday night.

Last week, he told Fox News he was “seriously considering” a pardon and that Arpaio is a “a great American patriot” who has done “a lot in the fight against illegal immigration.” Tuesday night, he asked the crowd of supporters: “Do the people in this room like Sheriff Joe?”

“You know what, I’ll make a prediction: I think he’s going to be just fine,” he said. “OK? But I won’t do it tonight, because I don’t want to cause any controversy.”

The statement issued by the White House said:

"Arpaio’s life and career, which began at the age of 18 when he enlisted in the military after the outbreak of the Korean War, exemplify selfless public service. After serving in the Army, Arpaio became a police officer in Washington, D.C. and Las Vegas, NV and later served as a Special Agent for the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), formerly the Bureau of Narcotics. After 25 years of admirable service, Arpaio went on to lead the DEA’s branch in Arizona.

“In 1992, the problems facing his community pulled Arpaio out of retirement to return to law enforcement. He ran and won a campaign to become Sheriff of Maricopa County. Throughout his time as Sheriff, Arpaio continued his life’s work of protecting the public from the scourges of crime and illegal immigration. Sheriff Joe Arpaio is now eighty-five years old, and after more than fifty years of admirable service to our Nation, he is worthy candidate for a Presidential pardon.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/north-korea-is-reported-to-have-launched-another-missile-heightening-tensions/2017/08/25/4569a10c-89e5-11e7-96a7-d178cf3524eb_story.html?utm_term=.80e7ab5fda7e

TOKYO — North Korea launched three missiles into the sea between the Korean Peninsula and Japan on Saturday morning, reigniting tensions after a month of heated rhetoric between Pyongyang and Washington.

The launches coincide with joint exercises between the U.S. and South Korean militaries, exercises that North Korea always strongly protests because it considers them preparation for an invasion.

The first and third missiles failed in flight, while the second appears to have blown up almost immediately, said the U.S. Pacific Command in Hawaii, which monitors North Korean missiles.

Even though the launches failed, they still constitute violations of the United Nations Security Council resolutions prohibiting North Korea from launching missiles or conducting nuclear tests, and will spark another round of condemnation from the international community — condemnation that will, again, fall on deaf ears in Pyongyang.

All three appeared to be short-range missiles, rather than the long-range types designed to be able to strike the United States, and were launched from Kittae­ryong on North Korea’s east coast.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/25/politics/trump-transgender-military/index.html

President Donald Trump on Friday directed the military not to move forward with an Obama-era plan that would have allowed transgender individuals to be recruited into the armed forces, following through on his intentions announced a month earlier to ban transgender people from serving.

The presidential memorandum also bans the Department of Defense from using its resources to provide medical treatment regimens for transgender individuals currently serving in the military.

Trump also directed the departments of Defense and Homeland Security “to determine how to address transgender individuals currently serving based on military effectiveness and lethality, unitary cohesion, budgetary constraints, applicable law, and all factors that may be relevant,” the White House official said.

The White House official who briefed reporters on the memo on Friday evening declined to say whether current transgender troops would be allowed to remain in the military under those policy guidelines.

The official signaled that the administration was returning to the military’s pre-2016 policy under which no transgender individuals were allowed to serve openly in the armed forces, but said Trump was giving the secretaries of defense and homeland security leeway to determine the policy on currently serving transgender troops.

The official rejected any notion that Trump’s directive amounted to discrimination against transgender individuals, and insisted that Trump was not walking back his rhetoric from the 2016 campaign when he vowed to fight for LGBT Americans.

“The President is the President for all Americans, and during last year’s campaign he was the first GOP nominee to talk about LGBTQ issues at the GOP convention, but he also was critical of the Obama administration’s change in that longstanding DOD policy,” the official said.

“He’s going to continue to ensure that the rights of the LGBTQ community, as well as all Americans, is protected,” the official added. “This policy is based on a series of national security considerations.”

The guidance comes a month after Trump said on Twitter that he would reinstate a ban on transgender troops, an announcement that took many in the military’s leadership – including the joint chiefs of staff – by surprise.

What a disgrace.

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They should have let me write the Sheriff Joe headline.

“Asshole pardons asshole.”

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I don’t care what side of the aisle one is on, to pull the rug out from under anyone serving our country like this is morally wrong. Going to get really awkward if a transgendered soldier is up for a medal usually bestowed by a President.

And by all accounts Arpaio is a racist shack of you know what. At least he’s 85 and unlikely to ever be hired again by anyone. I thought one actually had to start serving a sentence before one could get a pardon?

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Can you be fucking serious about how absolute one hundred percent shit this President is? I am so incensed right now that I can barely formulate a sentence that properly conveys my absolute putrid disgust for one man.

We seriously have to impeach this fucking buffoon. Everyone write your congresspeople. He’s making a mockery of our great nation.

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TV’s Frink said:

They should have let me write the Sheriff Joe headline.

“Asshole pardons asshole.”

lol!

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Tomorrow he’s gonna pardon the hurricane. Let’s face it, there was destruction on many sides.

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It wouldn’t surprise me.

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Tomorrow he’s gonna pardon the hurricane. Let’s face it, there was destruction on many sides.

Stealing this.

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Here’s a short 2 and a half minute Youtube video that’s relevant and informative.

This timeline shows confederate monuments are about racial conflict

For those of you that don’t want to watch (of course, some of it is meaningless without having watched the video for the full context);

This makes it pretty clear that these monuments weren’t just trying to ‘celebrate history and honor the noble Confederacy.’ They were erected to scare and intimidate black people, plain and simple.

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So tell me something(and I am not asking this to be a smart*** or to be a jerk), are all auctions out now. I mean we hold auctions sometimes for animals like horses and antiques are sold at auctions. Sometimes auctions are held to raise money for charities. Are these too close to slave auctions? Where is the line?

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How can you even ask a question comparing auctioning off antiques and black men? That’s as ridiculous as comparing taking down a Confederate statue and the Jefferson monument. Give me a break.

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Jeebus said:

Here’s a short 2 and a half minute Youtube video that’s relevant and informative.

This timeline shows confederate monuments are about racial conflict

For those of you that don’t want to watch (of course, some of it is meaningless without having watched the video for the full context);

This makes it pretty clear that these monuments weren’t just trying to ‘celebrate history and honor the noble Confederacy.’ They were erected to scare and intimidate black people, plain and simple.

Yeah, it is looking more and more like the confederate monuments is more about white pride and racism than honoring the past. However, I do have to wonder if part of the peak around 1910 might have anything to do with the 50th anniversary of secession and the early Civil War battles. It would not be unexpected for people to erect monuments and whatnot around the 50th anniversary of a bid event.

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TV’s Frink said:

How can you even ask a question comparing auctioning off antiques and black men?

They weren’t auctioning them off as slaves, it was for fantasy football times. They weren’t really auctioning off the men themselves. Also please remember players of other races were also auctioned off.

What about one of those auctions done for charity where the winner gets date with an eligible bachelor/bachelorette?

That’s as ridiculous as comparing taking down a Confederate statue and the Jefferson monument. Give me a break.

why is it ridiculous? Jefferson was a slave owner. People argue the Confederates were traitors. Guess what England thought of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and John Adams in the 1760’s? I guarantee you they thought of them as traitors.

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Warbler said:

So tell me something(and I am not asking this to be a smart*** or to be a jerk), are all auctions out now. I mean we hold auctions sometimes for animals like horses and antiques are sold at auctions. Sometimes auctions are held to raise money for charities. Are these too close to slave auctions? Where is the line?

This might be the most ridiculous question I’ve ever heard coming from somebody I genuinely believe is a good person and not a racist. Really I believe that you are a good person and not a racist, but I am flabbergasted that you even asked that.

Really, my gast has been totally flabbered.

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Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Here’s a short 2 and a half minute Youtube video that’s relevant and informative.

This timeline shows confederate monuments are about racial conflict

For those of you that don’t want to watch (of course, some of it is meaningless without having watched the video for the full context);

This makes it pretty clear that these monuments weren’t just trying to ‘celebrate history and honor the noble Confederacy.’ They were erected to scare and intimidate black people, plain and simple.

Yeah, it is looking more and more like the confederate monuments is more about white pride and racism than honoring the past. However, I do have to wonder if part of the peak around 1910 might have anything to do with the 50th anniversary of secession and the early Civil War battles. It would not be unexpected for people to erect monuments and whatnot around the 50th anniversary of a bid event.

It’s possible, but it’s also around the time the NAACP was founded (1909). Probably has a bit to do with both.

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Warbler said:

So tell me something(and I am not asking this to be a smart*** or to be a jerk), are all auctions out now. I mean we hold auctions sometimes for animals like horses and antiques are sold at auctions. Sometimes auctions are held to raise money for charities. Are these too close to slave auctions? Where is the line?

This might be the most ridiculous question I’ve ever heard coming from somebody I genuinely believe is a good person and not a racist. Really I believe that you are a good person and not a racist, but I am flabbergasted that you even asked that.

Really, my gast has been totally flabbered.

I wasn’t comparing those things to an actual slave auction. I was comparing those things to ESPN’s fantasy football auction, which many thought was too close to a slave auction.

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Warbler said:

That’s as ridiculous as comparing taking down a Confederate statue and the Jefferson monument. Give me a break.

why is it ridiculous? Jefferson was a slave owner. People argue the Confederates were traitors. Guess what England thought of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and John Adams in the 1760’s? I guarantee you they thought of them as traitors.

What country do we live in again?

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

How can you even ask a question comparing auctioning off antiques and black men?

They weren’t auctioning them off as slaves, it was for fantasy football times. They weren’t really auctioning off the men themselves. Also please remember players of other races were also auctioned off.

What about one of those auctions done for charity where the winner gets date with an eligible bachelor/bachelorette?

That’s as ridiculous as comparing taking down a Confederate statue and the Jefferson monument. Give me a break.

why is it ridiculous? Jefferson was a slave owner. People argue the Confederates were traitors. Guess what England thought of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and John Adams in the 1760’s? I guarantee you they thought of them as traitors.

If you think I’m bothering with this discussion a third time, think again.

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I wasn’t asking you to do that. I just trying to find out when is an auction too close to a slave auction.

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When black men are being sold to white men. Doesn’t matter if it’s pretend or pretend football or pretend pretend football or if there’s also white men being pretend sold. Your other examples are ridiculous. No one thinks “black slavery!” when a horse is bought at auction.