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Worst that would have happened would be someone would say “that’s an unfortunate coincidence, why didn’t anyone at ESPN notice that?”
I see what you did there.
I don’t think those situations are comparable though, I think the outrage wouldn’t have been anywhere near the same in the second case. In fact I bet it would have barely registered other than it being called a weird coincidence.
You agree then, everybody chooses to turn away and not listen to his hateful garbage and then somebody makes an (implied) threat of violence to the Nazi by angrily saying “Now sit down and don’t open your mouth again!”.
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If someone is eating an apple and another person is just watching them eat the apple, which one has the more qualified opinion on the quality of that apple?
what exact quality of the apple are you talking about. Without tasting I can still testify to quality of how it looks and smells. Of course I can’t testify as to how it tastes unless I tasted it.
You agree then, everybody chooses not turn away and not listen to his hateful garbage and then somebody makes an (implied) threat of violence to the Nazi by angrily saying “Now sit down and don’t open your mouth again!”.
Is that what the guy was doing in the scene? I have watched that movie many times. The character that said that line is not at all violent. I don’t think he was threaten violence against the bigot. He just wanted the guy to sit down and shut up.
Ok, even I think this is going too far.
ESPN has removed an announcer from its broadcast of the University of Virginia’s first football game next month because he has the same name as a Confederate general memorialized in statues that are being taken down across the country.
The network announced late Tuesday that the announcer, Robert Lee, a part-time employee who calls about a dozen college football and basketball games a year for ESPN, would no longer participate in the broadcast of the Sept. 2 game in Charlottesville, Va., which became the center of violent clashes this month during a white supremacist gathering.
White nationalists and neo-Nazis flooded into Charlottesville, marching through the University of Virginia campus with torches, to protest the city’s plan to remove a statue of the Confederacy’s top general, Robert E. Lee.
After the violence in Charlottesville, which left one person dead, ESPN executives and Mr. Lee decided that for his safety it would be best to have him to work on a different game that Saturday, a network spokesman said.
“We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name,” ESPN said in a statement. “In that moment it felt right to all parties. It’s a shame that this is even a topic of conversation and we regret that who calls play-by-play for a football game has become an issue.”
Your opinion is invalid due to you being white.
Find me the black people who want this guy removed because of his name.
I am not going to try, but I am willing to bet I could find some idiot who happens to be black that wants it. There are idiots in all racial groups.
Yes, there are idiots in all groups, racial or otherwise. There were plenty of rational people who felt ESPN made a mistake in running the auction ad.
even rational people can sometimes be irrational. I know I am irrational at times.
I’m sure you can find a few nutjob black people (like that Blacks for Trump guy) who think a random white dude named Robert Lee shouldn’t call a basketball game, but that’s not because they’re black, it’s because they’re nutjobs.
of course it is not because they are black.
I never said white people cannot have any opinions on race.
You have many times said my opinions were invalid due to my race. You have also called my opinions, lectures and accused me of policing black peoples opinions due to my race.
It’s like you don’t or are not capable of understanding words. I never said white people cannot have any opinions on race. That is not the same thing as saying white people should not have opinions on certain specific racial issues.
and you get to decide when that is and is not?
If you can’t understand that I can’t say it any clearer.
In other racial news…
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/15/espn-apology-fantasy-football-auction
Yikes. Great timing.
Is this really that big of a deal? They weren’t selling black people, they were doing a FANTASY auction of football players. It also included white players. According to the article you linked too, auctions are common in fantasy football.
"Auction drafts are a common part of fantasy football, and ESPN’s segments replicated an auction draft with a diverse slate of top professional football players. Without that context, we understand the optics could be portrayed as offensive, and we apologize,” ESPN said in a statement to USA TODAY Sports.
I’ve done Fantasy for many years now and this story proves that if someone does something as simple as taking something out of context, they’ll get offended real quick.
Just once I wish you guys could admit that maybe just maybe black people could have an issue with something that you guys don’t.
Just once I wish that you guys could admit that "maybe just maybe* just because some black people have an issue with something, doesn’t automatically make it a valid complaint.
Ok, good to know. Please be sure to let black people know each time what they are allowed to have an issue with, so they can stop making the same mistake of being offended.
*sigh*
Fact: People sometimes get offended at things that aren’t reasonable to be offended over.
Once again, thanks for clarifying that for black people. I’m sure they feel much better now.
Do disagree with the fact that I stated? Are you saying it never happens that someone gets offended at something that wasn’t reasonable to get offended at? That never happens???
If a black person says they are offended because Jack White won’t change his name to Jack Black, I wouldn’t consider that reasonable. If a black person says they are offended because an ESPN sketch includes something that is reminiscent of a slave auction, I’m not gonna argue.
So you have the right to judge black people’s opinions, but I do not?
You keep trying to make everything a black/white issue (forgive the pun but it fits) with no nuance or flexibility. I never said the majority of the things you are accusing me of saying.
It sure seems like you have.
Regarding the statues in the South, I have a feeling that there has been a certain romanticism attached to the Confederacy and/or the prominent characters involved. Similar to how pirates or cowboys are romanticized. Much of the reality has been lost and replaced with fictional motivations or made romantic with notions of “southern pride” or rebelling against The Man.
I don’t think the present-day South understands what the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia (aka the Confederate Flag) actually stood for back in the day, but rather attaches a romantic quality to it in ignorance of the reality it came from.
Case in point, if you watch the pilot episode of The Dukes of Hazzard, when they painted that car they painted what they called the “Rebel Flag” on top of it; and that whole show was basically about rebelling against the bumbling, incompetent county police and corrupt commissioner in a romantic sort of way.
Symbols can be re-purposed and their meaning changed. Pink triangles for example.
I enjoyed the Dukes Of Hazzard as a kid. The show was so huge, that an early promo for Knight Rider touted K.I.T.T’s superiority over the General Lee.
I used to see at least one General Lee replica car around here well into the '90’s, and I’m in Southern California. It’s become a touchy subject in recent years because there’s still a devoted fanbase, (which wasn’t happy with the PG-13 2005 movie) and you could still buy a screen accurate General Lee toy until recently. The car appeared in a commercial not that long ago, carefully framed so you couldn’t see the roof.
I’ve seen people elsewhere try to make the show out to be racist. There were never regular black cast members, but there were black characters in some episodes. I don’t think the ratio was any more or less than any other early '80’s tv show.
There was a local controversy around here back in the 90’s when a diesel gas station catering to truckers right by the 101 freeway displayed a huge Georgia state flag. (The old, now retired controversial design.) You could probably see this thing from almost a mile away. Some local residents wanted it gone, but as it was on private property it remained until the gas station was sold to a new owner.
Where were you in '77?
Warb, should we call the group we’ve been talking about blacks or African Americans?
To be clear I am just randomly quoting this exchange from 5-days ago in this same thread, it is not intended to make any ironic comment on recent posts…
generalfrevious said:
We do not live in normal times. The truth right now is sickening. Do you even fucking know what happened last week?!? White supremacists control this country. THAT IS A FACT. President trump is becoming more authoritarian and more unhinged on an hourly basis now. Of the forty-four previous administrations, WE HAVE NEVER SEEN ANTHING THIS TERRIBLE come from our president. Instead of trying to shut me up, tell how I’m wrong according to your delusional mind.WOULD THE MODS PLEASE BAN THIS FUCKING ASSHOLE‽‽‽‽
If he is not banned, I am very tempted to break a few rules of this place and cause quite a disturbance in protest!
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Lol.
I think it is wrong to treat me like some sort of clueless jackass due to my race. I wish you’d knock that off.
I don’t treat you that way. Show me some posts where I did that.
Goddamn there sure are a lot of oppressed white males in this thread.
If the worst thing that has happened to you is someone thinks you’re racist because you’re white, you’re living a pretty good life.
I guess the only way to fix this is to give the NAACP all the rights to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary and then they can “correct” all the definition of words therein.
Also not how anything works.
It sure seems like certain black people think only black people can define what words mean.
Holy shit dude.
Beat me to it.
well, do I get decide to define color blind, as treating people equally without regard to the color of their skin? Nope.
Do I get to decide that thug doesn’t mean anything racially? nope.
Do I get to decide that a white homeless guy isn’t privileged? nope.
But black people can decide the opposite. That seems to be the way thing work.
White privilege.
take white privilege and shove it up your ass
I am honestly sick and tired of this shit from you. It seems to be your “go to” for everything in these racial discussions.
It’s only my go to because you keep displaying it.
Why do you care so much that you aren’t allowed to say certain words because you’re white? Because you’re white, you can’t say the n-word. Meanwhile, because other people are black, they can’t assume they won’t get pulled over by the police because they are black. That’s the very definition of white privilege. The worst thing you have to deal with because you are white is not getting to decide what “thug” means. Get over it.
In other racial news…
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/15/espn-apology-fantasy-football-auction
Yikes. Great timing.
Is this really that big of a deal? They weren’t selling black people, they were doing a FANTASY auction of football players. It also included white players. According to the article you linked too, auctions are common in fantasy football.
"Auction drafts are a common part of fantasy football, and ESPN’s segments replicated an auction draft with a diverse slate of top professional football players. Without that context, we understand the optics could be portrayed as offensive, and we apologize,” ESPN said in a statement to USA TODAY Sports.
I’ve done Fantasy for many years now and this story proves that if someone does something as simple as taking something out of context, they’ll get offended real quick.
Just once I wish you guys could admit that maybe just maybe black people could have an issue with something that you guys don’t.
Just once I wish that you guys could admit that "maybe just maybe* just because some black people have an issue with something, doesn’t automatically make it a valid complaint.
Ok, good to know. Please be sure to let black people know each time what they are allowed to have an issue with, so they can stop making the same mistake of being offended by things that white people know they shouldn’t be offended by.
In other racial news…
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/15/espn-apology-fantasy-football-auction
Yikes. Great timing.
Is this really that big of a deal? They weren’t selling black people, they were doing a FANTASY auction of football players. It also included white players. According to the article you linked too, auctions are common in fantasy football.
"Auction drafts are a common part of fantasy football, and ESPN’s segments replicated an auction draft with a diverse slate of top professional football players. Without that context, we understand the optics could be portrayed as offensive, and we apologize,” ESPN said in a statement to USA TODAY Sports.
I’ve done Fantasy for many years now and this story proves that if someone does something as simple as taking something out of context, they’ll get offended real quick.
Just once I wish you guys could admit that maybe just maybe black people could have an issue with something that you guys don’t.
Just once I wish that you guys could admit that "maybe just maybe* just because some black people have an issue with something, doesn’t automatically make it a valid complaint.
Ok, good to know. Please be sure to let black people know each time what they are allowed to have an issue with, so they can stop making the same mistake of being offended.
*sigh*
Fact: People sometimes get offended at things that aren’t reasonable to be offended over.
Once again, thanks for clarifying that for black people. I’m sure they feel much better now.
I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.
Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.
All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.
Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.
The color of your skin matters. If everything were equal, it wouldn’t matter, but it isn’t so it doesn’t.
If the worst thing your skin color has brought you is flak when you criticize black people, consider yourself lucky. Or continue to cling to the white privilege that is so important to you, despite the fact that it doesn’t matter in the slightest.
I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.
Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.
All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.
Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.
ah the answer that justifies all bigotry towards white people, including from some that are white themselves.
fixed.
Sounds about right.
I find it funny that Frink’s only response in any race argument is to devalue your opinion because of your skin color rather than address your opinion directly.
I find it funny that you are all so worried about bigotry toward white people. not that such a thing can’t or doesn’t exist, it does. but i don’t think you have shown any legit examples of it.
I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.
Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.
All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.
Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.
That’s bigotry?
Hahahaha.
quit lecturing and policing my opinions.
As soon as you learn what bigotry is.
I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.
Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.
All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.
Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.
ah the answer that justifies all bigotry towards white people, including from some that are white themselves.
fixed.
Sounds about right.
I find it funny that Frink’s only response in any race argument is to devalue your opinion because of your skin color rather than address your opinion directly.
I find it funny that you are all so worried about bigotry toward white people. not that such a thing can’t or doesn’t exist, it does. but i don’t think you have shown any legit examples of it.
I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.
Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.
All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.
Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.
That’s bigotry?
Hahahaha.
quit lecturing and policing my opinions.
As soon as you learn what bigotry is.
I know what bigotry is.
Clearly you don’t. If you did, you’d know that pointing out white privilege is not bigotry.
I could find others if I wanted to go deeper into the past. Also, this doesn’t include the times when you thought I was so clueless and white that it wasn’t worth your time talking to me about the issues.
Lets face it, when it comes to race issues you think I am clueless jackass and one of the reasons you think this, is because I am white.
I don’t think you’re a jackass. I think you are clueless on this issue, but you aren’t clueless because you are white. Plenty of white people understand what you do not.
So nice try but no sale.
Would you think I was clueless on the issue if I said everything I said, exactly the same, word for word, but I was black?
I can’t remember every damn thing you’ve said, but I’d probably be likely to give you more latitude, depending on the issue and situation. And I’ve already answered that anyway with several examples.
thanks for saying that at least part of the reason you think I am clueless has to do with skin color.
You cannot seem to understand for some reason that you can’t keep making these inflexible rules that you want to fit the entire world into for every situation.
sorry for being logical and literal.
And once again, the fact that you would get so upset about not getting to weigh in on an issue affecting black people, because you are white, is the perfect example of white privilege. Who gives a shit? You shouldn’t.
I give sh**t about judgments made against me do to skin color. I give damn about someone I think of as a friend saying hurtful things to me due to my skin color. I give a sh** about someone trying to silence me due to my skin color.
The next time I do something like complain about people complaining about ESPN’s fantasy football draft, how about you attack opinions instead of attacking my skin color. Quit trying to refute my opinions by going “white privilege!”.
Warb, should we call the group we’ve been talking about blacks or African Americans?
I suppose African American is the preferred term. If you want me to cease using the term black, I will.
To be clear I am just randomly quoting this exchange from 5-days ago in this same thread, it is not intended to make any ironic comment on recent posts…
generalfrevious said:
We do not live in normal times. The truth right now is sickening. Do you even fucking know what happened last week?!? White supremacists control this country. THAT IS A FACT. President trump is becoming more authoritarian and more unhinged on an hourly basis now. Of the forty-four previous administrations, WE HAVE NEVER SEEN ANTHING THIS TERRIBLE come from our president. Instead of trying to shut me up, tell how I’m wrong according to your delusional mind.WOULD THE MODS PLEASE BAN THIS FUCKING ASSHOLE‽‽‽‽
If he is not banned, I am very tempted to break a few rules of this place and cause quite a disturbance in protest!
I don’t get your point.
You have a real bizarre sense of what it means to attack someone’s skin color.
You have a real bizarre sense of what it means to attack someone’s skin color.
wait, I attacked someone’s skin color in my post about Frevious?
Warb, should we call the group we’ve been talking about blacks or African Americans?
I suppose African American is the preferred term. If you want me to cease using the term black, I will.
No. From what I have heard and have been told, there isn’t really any agreement on the preferred term. Some people want to be called black, some African American. Who is right?
Put another way, why isn’t it ok for you to say the n-word?
To be clear I am just randomly quoting this exchange from 5-days ago in this same thread, it is not intended to make any ironic comment on recent posts…
generalfrevious said:
We do not live in normal times. The truth right now is sickening. Do you even fucking know what happened last week?!? White supremacists control this country. THAT IS A FACT. President trump is becoming more authoritarian and more unhinged on an hourly basis now. Of the forty-four previous administrations, WE HAVE NEVER SEEN ANTHING THIS TERRIBLE come from our president. Instead of trying to shut me up, tell how I’m wrong according to your delusional mind.WOULD THE MODS PLEASE BAN THIS FUCKING ASSHOLE‽‽‽‽
If he is not banned, I am very tempted to break a few rules of this place and cause quite a disturbance in protest!
I don’t get your point.
Newsflash! Anti fascist demonstrators in Charlottesville call for the US Government to: “Ban these f*king a**hole Nazi’s from protesting”. An anti fascist spokesperson was quoted as saying “If the Nazis are not banned from America, we are very tempted to break a few windows in this city and cause quite a disturbance in protest!”
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You have a real bizarre sense of what it means to attack someone’s skin color.
wait, I attacked someone’s skin color in my post about Frevious?
What?
You’re saying I’m attacking your skin color. I’m doing nothing of the sort. If I said you were too dumb to be a scientist because you’re white, that’s attacking your skin color. Pointing out white privilege is not attacking skin color, but of course you don’t understand white privilege anyway so I don’t know what I expect anything different at this point.
Warb, should we call the group we’ve been talking about blacks or African Americans?
I suppose African American is the preferred term. If you want me to cease using the term black, I will.
No. From what I have heard and have been told, there isn’t really any agreement on the preferred term. Some people want to be called black, some African American. Who is right?
I don’t know, you tell me. But I have use some term when describing that group of people
Put another way, why isn’t it ok for you to say the n-word?
Because it was how slave masters, the overseers and bigots used to refer to African Americans/black people. What Roots. It told me all I needed to know about that word. It is dirty disgusting racist word. White people should never use it. I don’t think anyone should, but I know we disagree there.
You have a real bizarre sense of what it means to attack someone’s skin color.
wait, I attacked someone’s skin color in my post about Frevious?
What?
You’re saying I’m attacking your skin color. I’m doing nothing of the sort. If I said you were too dumb to be a scientist because you’re white, that’s attacking your skin color. Pointing out white privilege is not attacking skin color, but of course you don’t understand white privilege anyway so I don’t know what I expect anything different at this point.
attacking is term sometimes used in describing how one refutes an argument. Instead of attacking my arguments, you attacked my skin color.
You have a real bizarre sense of what it means to attack someone’s skin color.
wait, I attacked someone’s skin color in my post about Frevious?
What?
You’re saying I’m attacking your skin color. I’m doing nothing of the sort. If I said you were too dumb to be a scientist because you’re white, that’s attacking your skin color. Pointing out white privilege is not attacking skin color, but of course you don’t understand white privilege anyway so I don’t know what I expect anything different at this point.
attacking is term sometimes used in describing how one refutes an argument. Instead of attacking my arguments, you attacked my skin color.
Well then you shouldn’t take it so personally if I’m just refuting an argument and not attacking you personally. If I think our skin color precludes us from the ability to have an informed opinion on something that doesn’t affect us in the slightest, who gives a shit?
To be clear I am just randomly quoting this exchange from 5-days ago in this same thread, it is not intended to make any ironic comment on recent posts…
generalfrevious said:
We do not live in normal times. The truth right now is sickening. Do you even fucking know what happened last week?!? White supremacists control this country. THAT IS A FACT. President trump is becoming more authoritarian and more unhinged on an hourly basis now. Of the forty-four previous administrations, WE HAVE NEVER SEEN ANTHING THIS TERRIBLE come from our president. Instead of trying to shut me up, tell how I’m wrong according to your delusional mind.WOULD THE MODS PLEASE BAN THIS FUCKING ASSHOLE‽‽‽‽
If he is not banned, I am very tempted to break a few rules of this place and cause quite a disturbance in protest!
I don’t get your point.
Newsflash! Anti fascist demonstrators in Charlottesville call for the US Government to: “Ban these f*king a**hole Nazi’s from protesting”. An anti fascist spokesperson was quoted as saying “If the Nazis are not banned from America, we are very tempted to break a few windows in this city and cause quite a disturbance in protest!”
someone actually said that?
In any case, yes I lost my temper and threatened to break the forum rules if Frevious wasn’t banned. There is a big difference between violating forum rules(non-violent and not illegal), and assaulting nazis who are peacefully protesting(violent and illegal).
You have a real bizarre sense of what it means to attack someone’s skin color.
wait, I attacked someone’s skin color in my post about Frevious?
What?
You’re saying I’m attacking your skin color. I’m doing nothing of the sort. If I said you were too dumb to be a scientist because you’re white, that’s attacking your skin color. Pointing out white privilege is not attacking skin color, but of course you don’t understand white privilege anyway so I don’t know what I expect anything different at this point.
attacking is term sometimes used in describing how one refutes an argument. Instead of attacking my arguments, you attacked my skin color.
Well then you shouldn’t take it so personally if I’m just refuting an argument and not attacking you personally.
You did attack me personally.
If I think our skin color precludes us from the ability to have an informed opinion on something that doesn’t affect us in the slightest, who gives a shit?
When I have to put up with you criticism and your attitude, I do.
Warb, should we call the group we’ve been talking about blacks or African Americans?
I suppose African American is the preferred term. If you want me to cease using the term black, I will.
No. From what I have heard and have been told, there isn’t really any agreement on the preferred term. Some people want to be called black, some African American. Who is right?
I’ve hard that “person of color” is becoming the “woke” term now-a-days.
Warb, should we call the group we’ve been talking about blacks or African Americans?
I suppose African American is the preferred term. If you want me to cease using the term black, I will.
No. From what I have heard and have been told, there isn’t really any agreement on the preferred term. Some people want to be called black, some African American. Who is right?
I’ve hard that “person of color” is becoming the “woke” term now-a-days.
The “woke” term? But yes, it does seem like “person of color” is becoming more and more popular to use.
You cannot seem to understand for some reason that you can’t keep making these inflexible rules that you want to fit the entire world into for every situation.
sorry for being logical and literal.
The world isn’t logical and literal. I’m sure this board attracts people who want to think so, but the world is complex. Everything doesn’t fit into a simple grid. There are curves and blurred lines. The world isn’t perfect–and it will never be. That’s by design*.
*–Not implying a god here.