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I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.
Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.
All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.
Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.
Seriously guys, how fucking hard is it to just say “I can see how black people might be offended” and get over yourselves? Especially in light of what has happened over the past several days. Have an ounce of understanding.
This is my last post on this particular issue.
Seriously guys, how fucking hard is it to just say “I can see how black people might be offended” and get over yourselves? Especially in light of what has happened over the past several days. Have an ounce of understanding.
This is my last post on this particular issue.
I can see how they might be offended, I just think it’s a really stupid, semantic thing to be offended by.
The Person in Question
In other racial news…
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/15/espn-apology-fantasy-football-auction
Yikes. Great timing.
Is this really that big of a deal? They weren’t selling black people, they were doing a FANTASY auction of football players. It also included white players. According to the article you linked too, auctions are common in fantasy football.
"Auction drafts are a common part of fantasy football, and ESPN’s segments replicated an auction draft with a diverse slate of top professional football players. Without that context, we understand the optics could be portrayed as offensive, and we apologize,” ESPN said in a statement to USA TODAY Sports.
I’ve done Fantasy for many years now and this story proves that if someone does something as simple as taking something out of context, they’ll get offended real quick.
Just once I wish you guys could admit that maybe just maybe black people could have an issue with something that you guys don’t.
Just once I wish that you guys could admit that "maybe just maybe* just because some black people have an issue with something, doesn’t automatically make it a valid complaint.
Ok, good to know. Please be sure to let black people know each time what they are allowed to have an issue with, so they can stop making the same mistake of being offended.
*sigh*
Fact: People sometimes get offended at things that aren’t reasonable to be offended over.
Once again, thanks for clarifying that for black people. I’m sure they feel much better now.
Do disagree with the fact that I stated? Are you saying it never happens that someone gets offended at something that wasn’t reasonable to get offended at? That never happens???
If a black person says they are offended because Jack White won’t change his name to Jack Black, I wouldn’t consider that reasonable. If a black person says they are offended because an ESPN sketch includes something that is reminiscent of a slave auction, I’m not gonna argue. I get that it’s fantasy football (I play) and I get that white players were there too. It’s clear ESPN did not do it intentionally. But it looks bad and there’s no reason us white people should be lecturing black people for pointing that out.
I was not lecturing anyone. I was giving my opinion. White people are allowed to have opinions and say them.
Your opinion (and darthrush;s and mfm’s) is that black people should not be upset that something with at least tangential racial connotations happened. That’s a lecture, no matter how much you want to dress it up as opinion.
And this isn’t about what you are allowed to do, it’s about what you should (or in this case should not) do. You have the right to tell people to get over racial things. But you shouldn’t.
My opinion is that nobody should be upset about something with completely vague and indistinct connotations of something that happened over 150 years ago. Anyone upset about this fantasy football auction absolutely should get over it. Be upset at real problems, like Donald Trump refusing to single out white supremacists for criticism, or the mass incarceration of American citizens for nonviolent, victimless crimes.
There’s enough time to be upset at all of those things.
But I’m sure your opinion on this is appreciated by all the black people who don’t understand the issue the way you do.
I didn’t see this before I responded to the other one, but here’s the thing, nobody understands 19th century American slave auctions any better than historians that are well-versed on the subject. That’s because nobody who participated in or was victim of an American slave auction is still alive. Even the grandchildren of those people would have to be at least 100 years old. If we were talking about segregation or lynching, then that’s a completely different issue because there are tens of thousands of people today who lived through it, and many of the perpetrators are still living and were never brought to justice. It’s callous to say this, but it’s been 150 years. I’m not even saying, “Get over it,” or anything quite so blunt. I just don’t think it’s unreasonable to remind people that everybody that was directly affected by American slavery is long dead when people start getting outraged over things that everybody knows have nothing to do with racism, slavery, or anything of the sort, and this fantasy football thing is one of them.
EDIT: As for my point about the Donald Trump comments downplaying white supremacists and the mass incarceration of primarily black people that have committed victimless crimes that shouldn’t even be crimes in the first place, this kind of nonsense where people get bent out of shape about semantics that no one in their right mind would take offense to gets a lot of people to disregard the very real problems that blacks, mexicans, Indians, and other racial minorities face in the United States. When issues like this are touted as examples of America’s racism problem, people don’t take it seriously. I know I didn’t for that reason.
The Person in Question
I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.
Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.
All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.
Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.
ah the answer that justifies all bigotry towards white people, including from some that are white themselves.
I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.
Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.
All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.
Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.
ah the answer that justifies all bigotry towards white people.
There isn’t any bigotry toward anyone in this case. That’s the whole point.
The Person in Question
Apparently it’s starting to sink in among the Nazis how badly their march is being perceived by the country at large, Trump notwithstanding. They are now manipulating photos in an attempt to make it look like the non-Nazis were attacking police officers. Among their own credulous propaganda circles, it’s unfortunately likely to be a fairly successful tactic. Shit, Pizzagate was completely preposterous on about seventy levels and their people still ate it up…
Apparently it’s starting to sink in among the Nazis how badly their march is being perceived by the country at large, Trump notwithstanding. They are now manipulating photos in an attempt to make it look like the non-Nazis were attacking police officers. Among their own credulous propaganda circles, it’s unfortunately likely to be a fairly successful tactic. Shit, Pizzagate was completely preposterous on about seventy levels and their people still ate it up…
Ehh, Antifa aren’t just non-Nazis, but I get your point.
Honestly, their ‘communities’ are so insular that the entire world could be telling them that it’s photoshopped and they’d just claim it’s fake news.
I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.
Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.
All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.
Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.
ah the answer that justifies all bigotry towards white people.
There isn’t any bigotry toward anyone in this case. That’s the whole point.
I know I said I wouldn’t respond further, but I can’t let this go. If that’s your whole point, you’ve missed the point entirely. No one has said there was bigotry toward anyone in this case. ESPN did something dumb that had poor optics and poor timing. They apologized for doing it. End of story.
I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.
Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.
All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.
Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.
ah the answer that justifies all bigotry towards white people, including from some that are white themselves.
fixed.
Didn’t Trump mention something about making sure if his facts before speaking out about Charlottesville? It might have been nice if he had actually done that.
Bannon’s interview IMO shows a canny strategist that basically understands Lee Atwater’s (Reagan/Bush strategist) premise that national politics in the US is ultimately about race, but rejects Atwater’s assertion that the racial messaging needs to be increasingly coded and indirect. Basically Atwater’s strategy was: if the election is about race, Democrats lose – but you can’t actually say it’s about race. Bannon just trims the last bit of the statement off.
In many ways, Trump’s victory already proved Bannon’s view right and Atwater’s wrong. But compare the victory with others, and I’m not so sure. With Reagan’s famous “states rights” speech standing right on the very site of the murdered civil rights workers, to his “welfare queens” boogeyman, Reagan was clearly engaged in racial messaging. But you had to be very context-aware to get this. Southerners knew “states’ rights” was code for rolling back civil rights, and standing over the dead bodies of their opponents just added to the symbolism. But northerners may have missed that entirely–it’s just a states’ rights speech at some fairground. Reagan also had an economic message, and a foreign policy message. And Reagan won–and won big.
Romney didn’t run on race at all, and neither did his opponent, so that election was all about the issues, except for voters who made an issue of Obama’s race on their own. And Romney lost.
Trump on the other hand was all race all the time. His policy positions were incoherent, implausible, and inconsistent, all at the same time. But his position on race never wavered. And he won–barely, with the help of a foreign government and a constitutional quirk. But in terms of numbers, he fared worse than Romney.
IMO Atwater’s idea that you needed to turn down the volume of your racist rhetoric as time went on was basically correct – but he was wrong about the timeframe. I’m hoping that 2016 marks the last time anyone will be able to win a national election with a campaign like that, but Trump will get bigger external assists next time too.
I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.
Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.
All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.
Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.
ah the answer that justifies all bigotry towards white people, including from some that are white themselves.
fixed.
Sounds about right.
I find it funny that Frink’s only response in any race argument is to devalue your opinion because of your skin color rather than address your opinion directly.
I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.
Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.
All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.
Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.
ah the answer that justifies all bigotry towards white people, including from some that are white themselves.
fixed.
Sounds about right.
I find it funny that Frink’s only response in any race argument is to devalue your opinion because of your skin color rather than address your opinion directly.
I find it funny that you are all so worried about bigotry toward white people. not that such a thing can’t or doesn’t exist, it does. but i don’t think you have shown any legit examples of it.
I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.
Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.
All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.
Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.
ah the answer that justifies all bigotry towards white people, including from some that are white themselves.
fixed.
Sounds about right.
I find it funny that Frink’s only response in any race argument is to devalue your opinion because of your skin color rather than address your opinion directly.
I find it funny that you are all so worried about bigotry toward white people. not that such a thing can’t or doesn’t exist, it does. but i don’t think you have shown any legit examples of it.
I am sure if tree falls and no one is around, it still makes a noise. But obviously, if no one was around, no one heard the noise.
Ah ok so it’s ok to lecture black people as long as they aren’t listening.
All I am saying that I ought to be able to give my opinion on these things without being raked through the coals just because of my skin color.
Oh hi there white privilege, nice to see you again.
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/powerful-group-breastfeeding-photo-declares-right-192220704.html
Ok, am I an awful person for thinking breast feeding should be done in private?
Breast feeding involves a woman exposing her breast, correct?
Is not the breast on a woman considered a private part?
What do we call beaches where women are allowed to go topless? Nude beaches, correct?
Let me get this straight.
You guys think black people can’t have an opinion on this ESPN thing.
But when Frink says you guys can’t have an opinion on it, its bigotry.
Sounds reasonable.
Let me get this straight.
You guys think black people can’t have an opinion on this ESPN thing.
But when Frink says you guys can’t have an opinion on it, its bigotry.
Sounds reasonable.
No one said they couldn’t have an opinion. I just said that the opinion was unreasonable and ridiculous. Those aren’t the same things. You also completely ignored the part where I said there was no bigotry involved.
The Person in Question
Let me get this straight.
You guys think black people can’t have an opinion on this ESPN thing.
That would be incorrect. Please do not put words in my mouth. Unlike some people, I would never say someone can’t have an opinion due to skin color. Nor would I call an opinion lecturing due to the skin color of the opinion holder. Nor would I hold a holier than thou attitude towards someone because of their skin color/gender.
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/powerful-group-breastfeeding-photo-declares-right-192220704.html
Ok, am I an awful person for thinking breast feeding should be done in private?
Breast feeding involves a woman exposing her breast, correct?
Is not the breast on a woman considered a private part?
What do we call beaches where women are allowed to go topless? Nude beaches, correct?
During breastfeeding the nipple is still covered. I’m not a parent yet, but I was raised in a family with a lot of kids, and breastfeeding is completely natural and unsexual. It’s a common necessity of being a mother. If you don’t like it, look away.
The Person in Question
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/powerful-group-breastfeeding-photo-declares-right-192220704.html
Ok, am I an awful person for thinking breast feeding should be done in private?
Breast feeding involves a woman exposing her breast, correct?
Is not the breast on a woman considered a private part?
What do we call beaches where women are allowed to go topless? Nude beaches, correct?
During breastfeeding the nipple is still covered. I’m not a parent yet, but I was raised in a family with a lot of kids, and breastfeeding is completely natural and unsexual. It’s a common necessity of being a mother. If you don’t like it, look away.
perhaps, if the nipple is covered the whole time. And yes, I realize breastfeeding is completely natural and unsexual.
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/powerful-group-breastfeeding-photo-declares-right-192220704.html
Ok, am I an awful person for thinking breast feeding should be done in private?
Breast feeding involves a woman exposing her breast, correct?
Is not the breast on a woman considered a private part?
What do we call beaches where women are allowed to go topless? Nude beaches, correct?
During breastfeeding the nipple is still covered. I’m not a parent yet, but I was raised in a family with a lot of kids, and breastfeeding is completely natural and unsexual. It’s a common necessity of being a mother. If you don’t like it, look away.
I agree with this. my wife especially agrees with this.
Breast feeding is how babies get food, according to SCIENCE. Don’t shame it, just don’t stare at it. its normal.
Also, i am not going to go start talking about male privilege, but once you have children, you start to notice the problems where you didn’t even know they were before.
Also, even if you’re a new mom who thinks it should be private, the lack of easily-accessible private places kinda severely restricts your movements. And even some more-widely-available private places (port-o-lets) are unpleasant enough you’d really rather do it in public.
So basically moms who think it should be private use a little baby blankie or something to cover up, but still do it in public. Moms who think there’s nothing sexual about eating cover up with a baby. But not doing it in public at all? That’s not really feasible.
Let me get this straight.
You guys think black people can’t have an opinion on this ESPN thing.
That would be incorrect. Please do not put words in my mouth. Unlike some people, I would never say someone can’t have an opinion due to skin color. Nor would I call an opinion lecturing due to the skin color of the opinion holder. Nor would I hold a holier than thou attitude towards someone because of their skin color/gender.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.