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This guy thinks so.
Should Lucas replace Guiness with an aged McGregor?
This guy thinks so.
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Guiness will not be removed. The only character I see being replaced would be in a 'alternate special edition' version with a CGI Yoda. Lucas has the utmost respect for Oz and his work with the Yoda puppet, so the only way I see him doing this is as a bonus just to show fans what it would look like.
I'm 100% behind a CGI Yoda in TPM though.
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“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
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I don't feel alot of love in this thread. You guys are also probably opposed to getting rid of Harrison Ford and replacing him with someone like Christian Slater.
Is this guy for real?
Ford made that series. His character as Han Solo is unmistakably the most entertaining. Not to mention the pair he made with Chewbacca.
Why should Lucas' prequels insert even more control over the superior OT. It should be ther other way around, something superior should always dominate something inferior.
Some people just have no taste whatsoever, this guy is a perfect example of that.
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ROTS is neck and neck with ESB as the best Star Wars movie, IMO. It also solidifies my opinion that Lucas should remake Episodes 4,5, and 6 to eliminate the "dated" feel and take care of the long list of inconsistencies between the trilogies. I watched Star Wars after checking out Episode III, and if I was even more nerdy than I already am, I could have made a list a page long with all the problems that exist between the movies.
Of course, recasting is out of the question. Who could replace the likes of Harrison Ford or Alec Guiness? No one, obviously. However, the technology now exists that would allow Lucas to insert the characters into a newly digitized background.
For the sake of consistency, this must be done.
For God's sake, NOOOOOO!! The scary thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if Lucas actually did this...
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ROTS is neck and neck with ESB as the best Star Wars movie, IMO. It also solidifies my opinion that Lucas should remake Episodes 4,5, and 6 to eliminate the "dated" feel and take care of the long list of inconsistencies between the trilogies. I watched Star Wars after checking out Episode III, and if I was even more nerdy than I already am, I could have made a list a page long with all the problems that exist between the movies.
Of course, recasting is out of the question. Who could replace the likes of Harrison Ford or Alec Guiness? No one, obviously. However, the technology now exists that would allow Lucas to insert the characters into a newly digitized background.
For the sake of consistency, this must be done.
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I would not support replacing any actor in the OT with an actor from the PT or anyone else. Such an act would be sacrilegious. But after seeing ROTS, I would definitely support lots of other changes in the OT, mostly in ANH. Yes, that would mean modifying the OT more still, but that doesn't matter to me anymore. I want the Classic Trilogy on DVD, sure, but it doesn't seem we're ever going to get it. So be it. That being the case, we might as well have all six films as closely matched as they can be.
I put in ANH after coming back from ROTS--just to see the episode immediately following--and to be honest, I couldn't help but be rather bored by it. Those dazzling visuals Lucas has used for the prequels have spoiled me. The storytelling, performances, and chemistry may be superior in the OT, but even with the changes Lucas made for the SE's, the look and feel is still very dated. Still very late '70s/early '80s. Even some of the music could use a little reworking. When you watch the episodes in chronological order, and you go from ROTS to ANH, there are big changes that actually don't sit well with me.
There are a few things that I think would go a long way. Replacing all models--Rebel fighters, Imperial fighters and ground walkers, Star Destroyers, the Millennium Falcon, etc--with CGI. Reshooting the Battle of Yavin. (When fighters crash into the Death Star, show the fighter itself impacting on the surface rather than just the explosion.) Reshooting the AT-AT assault on Hoth. You get the idea.
One addition I would love to see is a more dramatic introduction to the Death Star. In the final scenes of ROTS Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine stand together and look on as construction of the Death Star begins. The next time we see it is in ANH. The scene shifts to an approaching Star Destroyer, then cuts to a two-shot of the Star Destroyer moving in on the Death Star. I feel like something of the Death Star's importance should be unveiled, not simply shown. There's no shot in ANH that does that. First time we see it is for a couple seconds in a static image.
Those are the kinds of things I would change. Just make the OT more visually stunning, as close to the level of the PT as possible. Now as for Obi-Wan's comment that Luke's father wanted him to have his lightsaber when Luke was old enough, and other such obvious inconsistencies with the PT, I have no idea. There are probably many of those present in the OT now.
And yes, I'm sure I'm in the minority with these ideas.
Changes keep coming, and these are the changes that I would love to see. Leave the original actors and their performances intact, but spruce up everything else. The human spirit of the OT is kept alive, while the look of the PT continues, and you don't feel like you've gone backward in time as opposed to 20 years beyond the last prequel. Just my thoughts.--THX
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About Obi-Wan, McGregor looks and sounds like Alec Guiness more than I could ever imagine. That dude's crazy. CGI Yoda looks damn good, and they need to replace the TPM puppet. Never looked for moved right.
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Originally posted by: TheSesslerQuote
ROTS is neck and neck with ESB as the best Star Wars movie, IMO. It also solidifies my opinion that Lucas should remake Episodes 4,5, and 6 to eliminate the "dated" feel and take care of the long list of inconsistencies between the trilogies. I watched Star Wars after checking out Episode III, and if I was even more nerdy than I already am, I could have made a list a page long with all the problems that exist between the movies.
Of course, recasting is out of the question. Who could replace the likes of Harrison Ford or Alec Guiness? No one, obviously. However, the technology now exists that would allow Lucas to insert the characters into a newly digitized background.
For the sake of consistency, this must be done.
I'm going to have to agree with Sessler.
First of all, there's the whole issue that ESB and RotJ don't really feel all that dated in the first place, Especially the DVD versions.
Second, there is NO way such a digitized back ground would look or feel natural. Part of the reason the OT worked so well is because the world looked used.
Third, it would cost probably millions, or at least 100s of thousands to replace every frame with "Modern" effects. It isn't like the OT was shot against a perpetual blue or green screen like the PT was.
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Originally posted by: Darth ChaltabQuote
Originally posted by: TheSesslerQuote
ROTS is neck and neck with ESB as the best Star Wars movie, IMO. It also solidifies my opinion that Lucas should remake Episodes 4,5, and 6 to eliminate the "dated" feel and take care of the long list of inconsistencies between the trilogies. I watched Star Wars after checking out Episode III, and if I was even more nerdy than I already am, I could have made a list a page long with all the problems that exist between the movies.
Of course, recasting is out of the question. Who could replace the likes of Harrison Ford or Alec Guiness? No one, obviously. However, the technology now exists that would allow Lucas to insert the characters into a newly digitized background.
For the sake of consistency, this must be done.
I'm going to have to agree with Sessler.
First of all, there's the whole issue that ESB and RotJ don't really feel all that dated in the first place, Especially the DVD versions.
Second, there is NO way such a digitized back ground would look or feel natural. Part of the reason the OT worked so well is because the world looked used.
Third, it would cost probably millions, or at least 100s of thousands to replace every frame with "Modern" effects. It isn't like the OT was shot against a perpetual blue or green screen like the PT was.
I agree with most of that, except for the 'used' look. That could easily be done with CGI, GL just chose not to in this trilogy. See Matrix Reloaded.
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A friend of mine, which is also a SW fan, also said GL should re-shoot the whole thing when he did the 1997 version. I was shocked back then, but he said that the technology showed in the movies is the "1970s futuristic vision", like in "2001" where we have Panam and Bell and a gigantic computer and low-res TV with 1960s music... He said the whole thing should be re-done because there was no way that crummy looking technology would exist in the SW universe. His favorite example was the "aiming computer" on the Yavin battle, with the crappy looking numbers and visuals, and the "TIE aiming system", with that little silly animated TIE going into the aim. He said that AT LEAST the panels should be re-done to look more technological and less hand-animated. I said he was a loony and the whole issue was dropped.
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As long as the original versions of the OT are remastered, digitized and released onto DVD or whatever modern format is available at the time, I do not care what changes Lucas makes to the OT. I will still debate those changes simply because many of them don't make any sense (Greedo and Jabba scenes, for example).
That said, I have long thought that Lucas should go back to the original principal photography footage of the OT and re-do all the special effects from scratch. Spruce up the footage with the actors, but completely re-work and re-do any special effects shots.
Like completely re-do the Battle Of Yavin with new effects and make it work around the existing actor footage. Then, have John Williams re-record and update the score to ANH. That's the only one that needs it IMHO.
Would I be interested in seeing this? HELL YEAH!!! It could prove exciting. But as long as there is no OOT available, I won't support any changes, nor would I give any money for such an endeavor.
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The special effects aren't what made the OT last, anyways. It's the story and character development that make the OT such a monumental sci fi epic. Yes the fx were excellent for their day, but even so they were used sparingly and usually moved the plot forward. As the PT shows, Lucas only used the fx sparingly because he had no other choice, give him a full buffet of fx with an OT remake and he'll load his plate up with everything on the freakin line.
My biggest problem with remaking ANH would be Solo and Obi-Wan; these two characters carried the film and Lucas could never replace them. Ever. In all three prequels, with a fine actor, Lucas has not been able to match the Obi Wan of the OT. Lucas has consistently throw away some of the best actors alive in the PT, for example, Liam Neeson never got a chance to shine even though he played one of the most influential Jedis in the entire series.
Lucas is done. I'm happy we got ANH and ESB, and although they reflect the time period in which they were made, that is part of their charm. The PT will one day show its age (in fact TPM already is showing its age with cartoonish CGI compared to ROTS). This is the nature of any art, and good art SHOULD reflect the cultural period from which it originated.
Ok, sorry for the rant, but in case it isn't apparent already, I have a low tolerance for flashy special effects. IMO effects should be seamless with the movie and the viewer shouldn't even realize their happening - full immersion. Like the first Matrix film. Effects should always move the story forward or add to character development. Lucas doesn't understand any of this.
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“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
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Originally posted by: Trooperman
I think that instead of refilming the OT with digitized backgrounds and prequel actors, I'd refilm the PT with real sets and spaceship models instead of CG (and older actors- not a bunch of teenagers). That would be neat.
Hell yeah to the SETS and MODELS! Give the actors something to ACT with!! As to the teenagers... there ARE some teenagers who can act... or at least seem 'real' if if they're not great actors...
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Originally posted by: Trooperman
I think that instead of refilming the OT with digitized backgrounds and prequel actors, I'd refilm the PT with real sets and spaceship models instead of CG (and older actors- not a bunch of teenagers). That would be neat.
That's cost ineffective. The sheer scope of the worlds on the PT blow those of the OT away, visually. To make models and sets that big or that vivid would cost more than they were worth.
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I don't think Alec Guiness would mind, considering how much he disliked SW... The only problem is, if they digitally replaced Alec with Ewan's head, SW would officially be part of the "Kung Pow" movie series.
In one of the "Making of's...". They said Mr. Guiness Loved making the First Star Wars Ep4 ANH. I think it was after ESB that he started to hate the films.
and I too think replacing Guiness is a Bad Idea. Leave the Classic as is. and I am glad Jar,Jar was not put into the films as the internet rumor said he was going into ANH.
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