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For those that don’t like the term colorblind:
If I were the boss of a company looking to hire an accountant, what would be wrong in being colorblind in my choice?
Nothing, it would be great. But how exactly are you going to achieve that?
By not being racist? Deciding to analyze them based upon their merit?
And this is verified how?
what do you mean?
At many of my local Walmarts (we’re practically surrounded by them) in some sections they have little screens that show the live camera feed, like this:
It’s really creepy.
In fact, my earlier self-described problem with Walmart had to do with their, in my view, over-zealous, security polices.
In other news:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/world/asia/trump-guam-governor-phone-call.html
HAGÅTÑA, Guam — If there’s one thing that Guam does not have to worry about while the tiny island is in the nuclear cross hairs of North Korea, it’s tourism, President Trump told the island’s governor in a phone call made public on Saturday.
The threat by North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, to create “an enveloping fire” around the tiny United States territory in the Western Pacific will boost Guam tourism “tenfold,” Mr. Trump said in the recorded conversation with Gov. Eddie Calvo.
The recording was put on the Republican governor’s Facebook page and other social media accounts.
Mr. Trump said: “I have to tell you, you have become extremely famous all over the world. They are talking about Guam; and they’re talking about you.” And when it comes to tourism, he added, “I can say this: You’re going to go up, like, tenfold with the expenditure of no money.”
In other other news:
Virginia’s governor has declared a state of emergency amid violent clashes between hundreds of protestors in Charlottesville, Va.
The move comes ahead of a white nationalist rally planned in the small town to protest plans to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from a city park. Saturday morning, protesters and counter-protesters faced off and kicked and punched, hurled water bottles and deployed chemical sprays against each other.
The declaration by Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe was made in order to “aid state response to violence” at the rally in the city about 120 miles southwest of Washington, D.C. The city’s manager also declared a local emergency and police ordered people to disperse from the area around the statue, according to The Associated Press.
The “Unite the Right” rally is expected to draw a lot of people from out of town. It follows last month’s Ku Klux Klan rally that drew about 50 Klan members and about 1,000 counter-protesters.
After the violent outbursts, politicians tweeted their disdain at the events in Charlottesville. House Speaker Paul Ryan called the views of the white nationalists “repugnant,” and called for Americans to unite against “this kind of vile bigotry.”
Robert E. Lee doesn’t deserve this. He’s like the least awful Confederate figure you could honor, and he’s pretty fascinating. I don’t have to be a “white nationalist” to think that.
For those that don’t like the term colorblind:
If I were the boss of a company looking to hire an accountant, what would be wrong in being colorblind in my choice?
Nothing, it would be great. But how exactly are you going to achieve that?
By not being racist? Deciding to analyze them based upon their merit?
And this is verified how?
I must have misunderstood your question. As I understand it, you are asking how you as an individual can not be colorblind, and my answer was simply that you just don’t be racist.
In other news:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/world/asia/trump-guam-governor-phone-call.html
HAGÅTÑA, Guam — If there’s one thing that Guam does not have to worry about while the tiny island is in the nuclear cross hairs of North Korea, it’s tourism, President Trump told the island’s governor in a phone call made public on Saturday.
The threat by North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, to create “an enveloping fire” around the tiny United States territory in the Western Pacific will boost Guam tourism “tenfold,” Mr. Trump said in the recorded conversation with Gov. Eddie Calvo.
The recording was put on the Republican governor’s Facebook page and other social media accounts.
Mr. Trump said: “I have to tell you, you have become extremely famous all over the world. They are talking about Guam; and they’re talking about you.” And when it comes to tourism, he added, “I can say this: You’re going to go up, like, tenfold with the expenditure of no money.”
In other other news:
Virginia’s governor has declared a state of emergency amid violent clashes between hundreds of protestors in Charlottesville, Va.
The move comes ahead of a white nationalist rally planned in the small town to protest plans to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from a city park. Saturday morning, protesters and counter-protesters faced off and kicked and punched, hurled water bottles and deployed chemical sprays against each other.
The declaration by Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe was made in order to “aid state response to violence” at the rally in the city about 120 miles southwest of Washington, D.C. The city’s manager also declared a local emergency and police ordered people to disperse from the area around the statue, according to The Associated Press.
The “Unite the Right” rally is expected to draw a lot of people from out of town. It follows last month’s Ku Klux Klan rally that drew about 50 Klan members and about 1,000 counter-protesters.
After the violent outbursts, politicians tweeted their disdain at the events in Charlottesville. House Speaker Paul Ryan called the views of the white nationalists “repugnant,” and called for Americans to unite against “this kind of vile bigotry.”
Guam, come for the beautiful beaches and clear blue waters.
Stay for the impending nuclear strikes.
Where were you in '77?
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/8/10/16125134/north-korea-guam-trump
Oh…
I hope I get time to watch ESB:R before I die.
Robert E. Lee doesn’t deserve this. He’s like the least awful Confederate figure you could honor, and he’s pretty fascinating. I don’t have to be a “white nationalist” to think that.
The “outrage,” however, is ridiculous.
No more blood needs to be spilled over a war that ended 152 years ago.
If Trump doesn’t condemn this in the strongest way possible, he’s only going to make it worse. These racist assholes don’t even bother wearing sheets over their faces anymore, that’s their comfort level now.
Where were you in '77?
https://twitter.com/gte/status/896439867151986690
The complacency, before and after the election, is depressing. It speaks to an educated populace that was taught propaganda not history.
https://twitter.com/gte/status/896453771697545217
Let’s never again say, “That’s not America”. Because it is. And has always been. Friends, get your shit together. You live a fantasy.
Whenever I see this sentiment, I get annoyed. It’s not that I really strongly disagree, I’m just annoyed.
Thoughts?
Well, that was a generic and confusing statement from our leader.
Where were you in '77?
For those that don’t like the term colorblind:
If I were the boss of a company looking to hire an accountant, what would be wrong in being colorblind in my choice?
Nothing, it would be great. But how exactly are you going to achieve that?
By not being racist? Deciding to analyze them based upon their merit?
And this is verified how?
what do you mean?
I said I’d bail out of this discussion, but I’ll reiterate my point just this one time…
The whole “I’m color-blind” thing is supposedly an answer to charges of racism. But it’s circular logic. Being “not racist” and being “color-blind” is the same thing. I can say that I’m not racist, or I can say that I’m color-blind, but why should someone who has been oppressed believe me – just because I say so? I might not even know, because a lot of such things are subconscious. Do you think the Google guy who wrote the manifesto is color-blind? I bet he thinks he is.
Also, if I’m the CEO of some giant company, I may have to delegate the hiring process to senior employees below me. Even if I honestly want the hiring process to be “color-blind”, how am I going to guarantee that happens? How can I verify that my employees acted in a color-blind way? By accepting that it’s true if they say so? There generally need to be processes in place to ensure it is systemic and verifiable. Otherwise nobody would have any reason to believe it - it’s just words. It also wouldn’t hold up in court.
Being color-blind is an awesome goal, but again, just claiming that it’s so, isn’t compelling at all.
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For those that don’t like the term colorblind:
If I were the boss of a company looking to hire an accountant, what would be wrong in being colorblind in my choice?
Nothing, it would be great. But how exactly are you going to achieve that?
By not being racist? Deciding to analyze them based upon their merit?
And this is verified how?
what do you mean?
I said I’d bail out of this discussion, but I’ll reiterate my point just this one time…
The whole “I’m color-blind” thing is supposedly an answer to charges of racism. But it’s circular logic. Being “not racist” and being “color-blind” is the same thing. I can say that I’m not racist, or I can say that I’m color-blind, but why should someone who has been oppressed believe me – just because I say so? I might not even know, because a lot of such things are subconscious. Do you think the Google guy who wrote the manifesto is color-blind? I bet he thinks he is.
Also, if I’m the CEO of some giant company, I may have to delegate the hiring process to senior employees below me. Even if I honestly want the hiring process to be “color-blind”, how am I going to guarantee that happens? How can I verify that my employees acted in a color-blind way? By accepting that it’s true if they say so? There generally need to be processes in place to ensure it is systemic and verifiable. Otherwise nobody would have any reason to believe it - it’s just words. It also wouldn’t hold up in court.
Being color-blind is an awesome goal, but again, just claiming that it’s so, isn’t compelling at all.
The claim of being color-blind is nearly always paired with the reality of being bias-blind.
For those that don’t like the term colorblind:
If I were the boss of a company looking to hire an accountant, what would be wrong in being colorblind in my choice?
Nothing, it would be great. But how exactly are you going to achieve that?
By not being racist? Deciding to analyze them based upon their merit?
And this is verified how?
what do you mean?
Also, if I’m the CEO of some giant company, I may have to delegate the hiring process to senior employees below me. Even if I honestly want the hiring process to be “color-blind”, how am I going to guarantee that happens? How can I verify that my employees acted in a color-blind way? By accepting that it’s true if they say so? There generally need to be processes in place to ensure it is systemic and verifiable. Otherwise nobody would have any reason to believe it - it’s just words. It also wouldn’t hold up in court.
Maybe everyone could wear masks 😛
File under “Links that Frink already posted but are relevant to the conversation:”
The part pertaining to “I don’t see color”/“color blind:”
- “I Don’t See Color.”
On the surface, this might seem like a harmless statement affirming that race doesn’t matter to you one way or another. But what it’s really doing is claiming that all of us are the same - which isn’t true. Because even though we are all human and are all made of the same stuff, it is our responsibility to acknowledge that, since we do exist within a societal system of racism, the color of our skin can and does dictate the way each of us experiences life.
To state that there is no difference between a white person and a black person is to completely erase the black person’s experience of oppression in today’s society - and that’s not helpful.
What to say instead: “Though I believe every human deserves equal rights, I recognize that people of color have had very different experiences of life than I have, due to the struggles they have endured based on the color of their skin.”
This is insanity.
I think it would be better if you linked to those photos with a warning instead of posting them. They are pretty graphic. Been avoiding the video so far today.
Where were you in '77?
In other news:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/world/asia/trump-guam-governor-phone-call.html
HAGÅTÑA, Guam — If there’s one thing that Guam does not have to worry about while the tiny island is in the nuclear cross hairs of North Korea, it’s tourism, President Trump told the island’s governor in a phone call made public on Saturday.
The threat by North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, to create “an enveloping fire” around the tiny United States territory in the Western Pacific will boost Guam tourism “tenfold,” Mr. Trump said in the recorded conversation with Gov. Eddie Calvo.
The recording was put on the Republican governor’s Facebook page and other social media accounts.
Mr. Trump said: “I have to tell you, you have become extremely famous all over the world. They are talking about Guam; and they’re talking about you.” And when it comes to tourism, he added, “I can say this: You’re going to go up, like, tenfold with the expenditure of no money.”
In other other news:
Virginia’s governor has declared a state of emergency amid violent clashes between hundreds of protestors in Charlottesville, Va.
The move comes ahead of a white nationalist rally planned in the small town to protest plans to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from a city park. Saturday morning, protesters and counter-protesters faced off and kicked and punched, hurled water bottles and deployed chemical sprays against each other.
The declaration by Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe was made in order to “aid state response to violence” at the rally in the city about 120 miles southwest of Washington, D.C. The city’s manager also declared a local emergency and police ordered people to disperse from the area around the statue, according to The Associated Press.
The “Unite the Right” rally is expected to draw a lot of people from out of town. It follows last month’s Ku Klux Klan rally that drew about 50 Klan members and about 1,000 counter-protesters.
After the violent outbursts, politicians tweeted their disdain at the events in Charlottesville. House Speaker Paul Ryan called the views of the white nationalists “repugnant,” and called for Americans to unite against “this kind of vile bigotry.”
These white nationalists aren’t too smart. They are should realize that them protesting this will do the exact opposite of what they want. They want the statue kept, but white nationalists protesting its removal only further demonstrates to people that the statue is racist and thus strengthens the desire for it to be removed.
Robert E. Lee doesn’t deserve this.
You’re right, he doesn’t deserve a legion of neo-Nazis marching to save a statue he probably wouldn’t even have approved of.
I don’t have to be a “white nationalist” to think that.
No, but that doesn’t mean those on the streets aren’t.
In other news:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/world/asia/trump-guam-governor-phone-call.html
HAGÅTÑA, Guam — If there’s one thing that Guam does not have to worry about while the tiny island is in the nuclear cross hairs of North Korea, it’s tourism, President Trump told the island’s governor in a phone call made public on Saturday.
The threat by North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, to create “an enveloping fire” around the tiny United States territory in the Western Pacific will boost Guam tourism “tenfold,” Mr. Trump said in the recorded conversation with Gov. Eddie Calvo.
The recording was put on the Republican governor’s Facebook page and other social media accounts.
Mr. Trump said: “I have to tell you, you have become extremely famous all over the world. They are talking about Guam; and they’re talking about you.” And when it comes to tourism, he added, “I can say this: You’re going to go up, like, tenfold with the expenditure of no money.”
In other other news:
Virginia’s governor has declared a state of emergency amid violent clashes between hundreds of protestors in Charlottesville, Va.
The move comes ahead of a white nationalist rally planned in the small town to protest plans to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from a city park. Saturday morning, protesters and counter-protesters faced off and kicked and punched, hurled water bottles and deployed chemical sprays against each other.
The declaration by Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe was made in order to “aid state response to violence” at the rally in the city about 120 miles southwest of Washington, D.C. The city’s manager also declared a local emergency and police ordered people to disperse from the area around the statue, according to The Associated Press.
The “Unite the Right” rally is expected to draw a lot of people from out of town. It follows last month’s Ku Klux Klan rally that drew about 50 Klan members and about 1,000 counter-protesters.
After the violent outbursts, politicians tweeted their disdain at the events in Charlottesville. House Speaker Paul Ryan called the views of the white nationalists “repugnant,” and called for Americans to unite against “this kind of vile bigotry.”
Guam, come for the beautiful beaches and clear blue waters.
Stay for the impending nuclear strikes.
I hate to say, I am sure I am going to get called crazy, but I think if that nut fires a nuke anywere near Guam, I think it is time to nuke N. Korea, especially wherever the nut is located.
Robert E. Lee doesn’t deserve this. He’s like the least awful Confederate figure you could honor, and he’s pretty fascinating. I don’t have to be a “white nationalist” to think that.
People need to remember that the only reason he sided with the South was because he felt it was either make war on the United States or make war on his own state.
https://twitter.com/gte/status/896439867151986690
The complacency, before and after the election, is depressing. It speaks to an educated populace that was taught propaganda not history.
https://twitter.com/gte/status/896453771697545217
Let’s never again say, “That’s not America”. Because it is. And has always been. Friends, get your shit together. You live a fantasy.
Whenever I see this sentiment, I get annoyed. It’s not that I really strongly disagree, I’m just annoyed.
Thoughts?
I think the guy has no idea what America is.
For those that don’t like the term colorblind:
If I were the boss of a company looking to hire an accountant, what would be wrong in being colorblind in my choice?
Nothing, it would be great. But how exactly are you going to achieve that?
By not being racist? Deciding to analyze them based upon their merit?
And this is verified how?
what do you mean?
I said I’d bail out of this discussion, but I’ll reiterate my point just this one time…
The whole “I’m color-blind” thing is supposedly an answer to charges of racism. But it’s circular logic. Being “not racist” and being “color-blind” is the same thing. I can say that I’m not racist, or I can say that I’m color-blind, but why should someone who has been oppressed believe me – just because I say so? I might not even know, because a lot of such things are subconscious. Do you think the Google guy who wrote the manifesto is color-blind? I bet he thinks he is.
Also, if I’m the CEO of some giant company, I may have to delegate the hiring process to senior employees below me. Even if I honestly want the hiring process to be “color-blind”, how am I going to guarantee that happens? How can I verify that my employees acted in a color-blind way? By accepting that it’s true if they say so? There generally need to be processes in place to ensure it is systemic and verifiable. Otherwise nobody would have any reason to believe it - it’s just words. It also wouldn’t hold up in court.
Being color-blind is an awesome goal, but again, just claiming that it’s so, isn’t compelling at all.
So just what the heck would you suggest then?
Also, I was talking about a giant corporation, where I would have to delegate hiring. I was talking about being the boss of a company small enough that I myself was doing the hiring.
In other news:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/world/asia/trump-guam-governor-phone-call.html
HAGÅTÑA, Guam — If there’s one thing that Guam does not have to worry about while the tiny island is in the nuclear cross hairs of North Korea, it’s tourism, President Trump told the island’s governor in a phone call made public on Saturday.
The threat by North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, to create “an enveloping fire” around the tiny United States territory in the Western Pacific will boost Guam tourism “tenfold,” Mr. Trump said in the recorded conversation with Gov. Eddie Calvo.
The recording was put on the Republican governor’s Facebook page and other social media accounts.
Mr. Trump said: “I have to tell you, you have become extremely famous all over the world. They are talking about Guam; and they’re talking about you.” And when it comes to tourism, he added, “I can say this: You’re going to go up, like, tenfold with the expenditure of no money.”
In other other news:
Virginia’s governor has declared a state of emergency amid violent clashes between hundreds of protestors in Charlottesville, Va.
The move comes ahead of a white nationalist rally planned in the small town to protest plans to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from a city park. Saturday morning, protesters and counter-protesters faced off and kicked and punched, hurled water bottles and deployed chemical sprays against each other.
The declaration by Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe was made in order to “aid state response to violence” at the rally in the city about 120 miles southwest of Washington, D.C. The city’s manager also declared a local emergency and police ordered people to disperse from the area around the statue, according to The Associated Press.
The “Unite the Right” rally is expected to draw a lot of people from out of town. It follows last month’s Ku Klux Klan rally that drew about 50 Klan members and about 1,000 counter-protesters.
After the violent outbursts, politicians tweeted their disdain at the events in Charlottesville. House Speaker Paul Ryan called the views of the white nationalists “repugnant,” and called for Americans to unite against “this kind of vile bigotry.”
Guam, come for the beautiful beaches and clear blue waters.
Stay for the impending nuclear strikes.
I hate to say, I am sure I am going to get called crazy, but I think if that nut fires a nuke anywere near Guam, I think it is time to nuke N. Korea, especially wherever the nut is located.
Great way to totally annihilate hundreds of thousands to millions of people, North Korean and otherwise.
In other news:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/world/asia/trump-guam-governor-phone-call.html
HAGÅTÑA, Guam — If there’s one thing that Guam does not have to worry about while the tiny island is in the nuclear cross hairs of North Korea, it’s tourism, President Trump told the island’s governor in a phone call made public on Saturday.
The threat by North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, to create “an enveloping fire” around the tiny United States territory in the Western Pacific will boost Guam tourism “tenfold,” Mr. Trump said in the recorded conversation with Gov. Eddie Calvo.
The recording was put on the Republican governor’s Facebook page and other social media accounts.
Mr. Trump said: “I have to tell you, you have become extremely famous all over the world. They are talking about Guam; and they’re talking about you.” And when it comes to tourism, he added, “I can say this: You’re going to go up, like, tenfold with the expenditure of no money.”
In other other news:
Virginia’s governor has declared a state of emergency amid violent clashes between hundreds of protestors in Charlottesville, Va.
The move comes ahead of a white nationalist rally planned in the small town to protest plans to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from a city park. Saturday morning, protesters and counter-protesters faced off and kicked and punched, hurled water bottles and deployed chemical sprays against each other.
The declaration by Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe was made in order to “aid state response to violence” at the rally in the city about 120 miles southwest of Washington, D.C. The city’s manager also declared a local emergency and police ordered people to disperse from the area around the statue, according to The Associated Press.
The “Unite the Right” rally is expected to draw a lot of people from out of town. It follows last month’s Ku Klux Klan rally that drew about 50 Klan members and about 1,000 counter-protesters.
After the violent outbursts, politicians tweeted their disdain at the events in Charlottesville. House Speaker Paul Ryan called the views of the white nationalists “repugnant,” and called for Americans to unite against “this kind of vile bigotry.”
Guam, come for the beautiful beaches and clear blue waters.
Stay for the impending nuclear strikes.
I hate to say, I am sure I am going to get called crazy, but I think if that nut fires a nuke anywere near Guam, I think it is time to nuke N. Korea, especially wherever the nut is located.
The problem is South Korea is right next door, along with our military. Nuclear fallout doesn’t respect borders.
Where were you in '77?