Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 363

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court

Soon? The Supreme Court has been a reliably Republican institution for generations!

The Warren Court has left the building, modern conservative Republicans have had at least a slim majority ever since. And Warren was a Republican too, just from the era when liberal Republicans existed. The problem for the Republicans is that as the Republican party races to more-and-more conservative positions, these lifetime Republican appointees on the court seem more liberal just by keeping to the same positions that got them nominated.

The court’s current swing vote, Anthony Kennedy, is a diehard Reagan Republican. Republicans own this thing already. The trick is that by today’s Republican standards, Reagan was a Communist Kenyan Muslim.

Was it conservative when it said gays have a Constitutional right to marry?

My understanding is that 1) conservatism values limited federal government; and 2) family law is traditionally left to the individual states. And therefore, if a state were to grant someone that right, the federal government would let them. What would be a federal issue is whether someone who is gay got married in one state but another state didn’t recognize it as legally legitimate.

I think what the Supreme Court said was states had to allow gay marriages. I think they said a state couldn’t ban gay marriage. I am pretty sure that is not Conservative. I also pretty sure Ferris would agree with me.

The father of the modern American conservative movement disagrees with you, so I guess conservatism is a pretty big tent after all.

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

yhwx said:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/10/16127968/fired-google-engineer-compares-high-paid-tech-job-to-soviet-forced-labor

Former Google engineer James Damore, who was fired for distributing a memo suggesting women are not biologically suited for certain types of work, is now branding himself as a brave truth teller. In what appears to be his new Twitter account, Damore can be seen wearing a shirt with the word “Goolag,” a play on “Google” that means to suggest the Silicon Valley search company is something like the infamous Soviet camps where prisoners were worked and starved to death as part of one of the 20th century’s worst genocides.

Google, which provides free meals, massages, and fitness classes at its Mountain View, California headquarters, pays engineers like Damore a typical salary of $162,000, according to Glassdoor, not including extra compensation like healthcare benefits, retirement savings, and equity. The company also offers its employees training opportunities, including volunteer sessions on subjects like diversity and unconscious bias.

You know, just like a Gulag.

What an ass. I doubt his 15 minutes of online fame is going to pay as well.

While I have lost all respect for this guy, people sometimes refer to overbearing people in authority as nazis, without literally meaning that they are the same as people that murdered 6 million innocent people.

Any educated person ought to know the historical baggage that comes with invoking such things. Except for Jeffery Lord, who just lost his cushy CNN job for using a Nazi salute in a tweet, and now this jerk who apparently thinks this t shirt is funny.

It can work if it’s in a purely humorous way, like the Soup Nazi or something like that. These people are obviously trying to make political comparisons.

Going to get really awkward if he bumps into someone of Russian descent while wearing that shirt.

He’s doing it to get money and support from right-wingers and the alt-right. He’s taking donations from them.

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court

Soon? The Supreme Court has been a reliably Republican institution for generations!

The Warren Court has left the building, modern conservative Republicans have had at least a slim majority ever since. And Warren was a Republican too, just from the era when liberal Republicans existed. The problem for the Republicans is that as the Republican party races to more-and-more conservative positions, these lifetime Republican appointees on the court seem more liberal just by keeping to the same positions that got them nominated.

The court’s current swing vote, Anthony Kennedy, is a diehard Reagan Republican. Republicans own this thing already. The trick is that by today’s Republican standards, Reagan was a Communist Kenyan Muslim.

Was it conservative when it said gays have a Constitutional right to marry?

My understanding is that 1) conservatism values limited federal government; and 2) family law is traditionally left to the individual states. And therefore, if a state were to grant someone that right, the federal government would let them. What would be a federal issue is whether someone who is gay got married in one state but another state didn’t recognize it as legally legitimate.

I think what the Supreme Court said was states had to allow gay marriages. I think they said a state couldn’t ban gay marriage. I am pretty sure that is not Conservative. I also pretty sure Ferris would agree with me.

The father of the modern American conservative movement disagrees with you, so I guess conservatism is a pretty big tent after all.

Barry Goldwater is the father of modern American Conservative movement? What about Reagan?

Reagan was a Goldwater follower.

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court

Soon? The Supreme Court has been a reliably Republican institution for generations!

The Warren Court has left the building, modern conservative Republicans have had at least a slim majority ever since. And Warren was a Republican too, just from the era when liberal Republicans existed. The problem for the Republicans is that as the Republican party races to more-and-more conservative positions, these lifetime Republican appointees on the court seem more liberal just by keeping to the same positions that got them nominated.

The court’s current swing vote, Anthony Kennedy, is a diehard Reagan Republican. Republicans own this thing already. The trick is that by today’s Republican standards, Reagan was a Communist Kenyan Muslim.

Was it conservative when it said gays have a Constitutional right to marry?

My understanding is that 1) conservatism values limited federal government; and 2) family law is traditionally left to the individual states. And therefore, if a state were to grant someone that right, the federal government would let them. What would be a federal issue is whether someone who is gay got married in one state but another state didn’t recognize it as legally legitimate.

I think what the Supreme Court said was states had to allow gay marriages. I think they said a state couldn’t ban gay marriage. I am pretty sure that is not Conservative. I also pretty sure Ferris would agree with me.

The father of the modern American conservative movement disagrees with you, so I guess conservatism is a pretty big tent after all.

Barry Goldwater is the father of modern American Conservative movement? What about Reagan?

Reagan was the first president elected under that mantle, Goldwater was the person who more or less created the mantle. It’s like the difference between Obama being the guy who helped pass the ACA, and the people at the Heritage Foundation who more or less created the ACA.

Warbler said:

All I know is the overwhelming majority of Conservatives/Republicans are against the US Supreme Court’s ruling on gay marriage.

Yeah, small government conservatism is definitely falling out of favor, I don’t think you’ll get any argument from anyone about that. After all, there were five conservative justices on the court, and only the oldest sided with the Goldwater conservative argument. The four newer appointees all sided with the position of the newer, more dominant conservative ideology. Reagan is revered among conservatives as a matter of tradition, but few conservatives would touch his policies with a ten foot pole these days.

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

yhwx said:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/10/16127968/fired-google-engineer-compares-high-paid-tech-job-to-soviet-forced-labor

Former Google engineer James Damore, who was fired for distributing a memo suggesting women are not biologically suited for certain types of work, is now branding himself as a brave truth teller. In what appears to be his new Twitter account, Damore can be seen wearing a shirt with the word “Goolag,” a play on “Google” that means to suggest the Silicon Valley search company is something like the infamous Soviet camps where prisoners were worked and starved to death as part of one of the 20th century’s worst genocides.

Google, which provides free meals, massages, and fitness classes at its Mountain View, California headquarters, pays engineers like Damore a typical salary of $162,000, according to Glassdoor, not including extra compensation like healthcare benefits, retirement savings, and equity. The company also offers its employees training opportunities, including volunteer sessions on subjects like diversity and unconscious bias.

You know, just like a Gulag.

What an ass. I doubt his 15 minutes of online fame is going to pay as well.

While I have lost all respect for this guy, people sometimes refer to overbearing people in authority as nazis, without literally meaning that they are the same as people that murdered 6 million innocent people.

Any educated person ought to know the historical baggage that comes with invoking such things.

Any educated person also ought to know the sometimes people mean things figuratively and not literally. I don’t think is any different than someone calling a forum moderator a forum nazi after getting banned by same forum moderator. I think he is using that shirt to make a point, not because he actually thinks Google is the same the Soviet Union. Keep in mind he was just fired from the company for speaking his mind.

I would think there’s a code of conduct he signed off on when he was hired that he broke when he posted that memo internally, as opposed to posting anonymously elsewhere. Bad idea to do it on the company dime.

SilverWook said:

Bad idea to do it on the company dime.

I dunno. Seems like he’s on the fast track for a cabinet post or ambassadorship.

CatBus said:

SilverWook said:

Bad idea to do it on the company dime.

I dunno. Seems like he’s on the fast track for a cabinet post or ambassadorship.

It’s still a pay cut. 😉

Ugh, even an innocuous article about the White House renovations generates racist comments about Obama, and blames him for issues with a two hundred year old mansion built on swampland. These people are seriously deranged.

Current status: Still doomed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/08/11/military-is-locked-and-loaded-trump-says-in-latest-warning-to-north-korea/?utm_term=.701011321eef

BEDMINSTER, N.J. — President Trump made fresh threats of force Friday against North Korea, writing on Twitter that the U.S. military is “locked and loaded” and later telling reporters that the isolated country would “truly regret it” if it attacks Guam or any other U.S. territory.

“This man will not get away with what he’s doing, believe me,” Trump said of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, whose nation, in open defiance of the United Nations, has been developing nuclear weapons capable of reaching the United States. “I hope that they are going to fully understand the gravity of what I said, and what I said is what I mean.”

Trump’s comments at his private golf club here, where he is on a working vacation, came several hours after he tweeted Friday morning that “military solutions are now fully in place, locked and loaded, should North Korea act unwisely.”

“Hopefully Kim Jong Un will find another path!” Trump added.

Early Friday night, after meeting with top U.S. national security and diplomatic officials, Trump did not back down but also sounded a more optimistic note.

“Hopefully it will all work out,” he said. “Nobody loves a peaceful solution more than President Trump. … We will see what happens.”

DuracellEnergizer said:

So Trump has taken to referring to himself in the third person now?

He was in a transporter accident with Bob Dole. He’s now BrundleTrump. The only way he can become human is to merge with enough humans that the Trump disappears.

Can even Trumpy handle two wars at once?

You all completely convinced me a few pages back with hard evidence that Trump obviously won’t stand for free speech if it hurts his feelings. Sometimes I try to give him some credit for something but he finds a way to reaffirm the fact that he is just an egotistical asshole.

sigh

Yay! Arguing on the Internet works sometimes!

yhwx said:

Yay! Arguing on the Internet works sometimes!

Of course! When someone is well reasoned and uses actual evidence then you can convince me of anything. I literally change my mind on a dime. I changed my mind on the war on drugs after a week of intensive research. Things like gay marriage took a longer time to tackle since banning it never made since but my religion required that view, so my switch on that issue had to wait for my slow deconversion from certain religious beliefs.