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darth_ender said:

And out of the blue…

I favor universal health care. It’s really the conservative way. I could never, ever be a Democrat, but why does the Republican Party have to suck so much? The Grand Old Party should be taken off life support and replaced by a much more respectable and worthy conservative successor.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-conservative-case-for-universal-healthcare/

I’m not so sure a party that controls the Presidency, the Senate and the House and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court could be accurately described as being on life support.

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Warbler said:

and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court

Soon? The Supreme Court has been a reliably Republican institution for generations!

The Warren Court has left the building, modern conservative Republicans have had at least a slim majority ever since. And Warren was a Republican too, just from the era when liberal Republicans existed. The problem for the Republicans is that as the Republican party races to more-and-more conservative positions, these lifetime Republican appointees on the court seem more liberal just by keeping to the same positions that got them nominated.

The court’s current swing vote, Anthony Kennedy, is a diehard Reagan Republican. Republicans own this thing already. The trick is that by today’s Republican standards, Reagan was a Communist Kenyan Muslim.

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It was a reference to age (Grand Old Party, as well as the aged perspective). I meant we should kill the Party. Remember when Democeats had even firmer control during '08-'09? Things definitely can change quickly. People were talking about letting the GOP die and replacing it then, or at least splitting it. Perhaps the next swing back to Democrat control will finalize a split. It would be chaos for conservatism for a time, but hopefully the new party would win the battle and Republicanism would die swiftly. It was a good party once, but it has been taken over by too many unreasonable fools.

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CatBus said:

Warbler said:

and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court

Soon? The Supreme Court has been a reliably Republican institution for generations!

The Warren Court has left the building, modern conservative Republicans have had at least a slim majority ever since. And Warren was a Republican too, just from the era when liberal Republicans existed. The problem for the Republicans is that as the Republican party races to more-and-more conservative positions, these lifetime Republican appointees on the court seem more liberal just by keeping to the same positions that got them nominated.

The court’s current swing vote, Anthony Kennedy, is a diehard Reagan Republican. Republicans own this thing already. The trick is that by today’s Republican standards, Reagan was a Communist Kenyan Muslim.

Was it conservative when it said gays have a Constitutional right to marry?

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Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court

Soon? The Supreme Court has been a reliably Republican institution for generations!

The Warren Court has left the building, modern conservative Republicans have had at least a slim majority ever since. And Warren was a Republican too, just from the era when liberal Republicans existed. The problem for the Republicans is that as the Republican party races to more-and-more conservative positions, these lifetime Republican appointees on the court seem more liberal just by keeping to the same positions that got them nominated.

The court’s current swing vote, Anthony Kennedy, is a diehard Reagan Republican. Republicans own this thing already. The trick is that by today’s Republican standards, Reagan was a Communist Kenyan Muslim.

Was it conservative when it said gays have a Constitutional right to marry?

Yes, “small government” is a central tenet of Reagan-era conservatism (Goldwater, Buckley, etc), of which conservatives like Justice Kennedy (a Reagan appointee) are a prime example. The court’s moderates and liberal joined Kennedy for obvious reasons. The conservatives who opposed it represented the more recent theocratic/autocratic branch of modern conservatism, which rejects the premise of small government either entirely or as it suits them.

The ruling was quintessential conservatism – Goldwater himself could have written the opinion and been happy with it.

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SilverWook said:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/blakemontgomery/google-cancelled-its-meeting-about-the-anti-diversity-memo
Aren’t these people “doxxing” google employees some of the same people who were screaming bloody murder about CNN “doxxing” the reddit guy who made that Trump video?

I had never heard of the term doxxing until today. Yes, I have looked it up and now know what it means.

I’m barely keeping up with all this crazy internet lingo myself. I had to google SMH for crying out loud. At least that makes more sense than people typing yesh when they mean yes.

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Warbler said:

darth_ender said:

And out of the blue…

I favor universal health care. It’s really the conservative way. I could never, ever be a Democrat, but why does the Republican Party have to suck so much? The Grand Old Party should be taken off life support and replaced by a much more respectable and worthy conservative successor.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-conservative-case-for-universal-healthcare/

I’m not so sure a party that controls the Presidency, the Senate and the House and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court could be accurately described as being on life support.

The constant stupidity and idiocy of the left is what keeps the Republican party on their feet. People like to hate the left. I do too. But when it comes down to it, that is all Republicans are doing…hating the left. They have become an anti party with no actual positive proposals to issues that stick to conservative ideals.

Until the left starts being more reasonable and less easy to hate on, the republican party will have something to hold onto.

But at the end of the day, I think that the left has become a postmodernist, speech controlling, identity-politics driven facet of political ideology and the right has become one of the most hypocritical and inefficient groups in recent history. So all we’re left with is nothing getting done and the left getting made fun of.

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CatBus said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court

Soon? The Supreme Court has been a reliably Republican institution for generations!

The Warren Court has left the building, modern conservative Republicans have had at least a slim majority ever since. And Warren was a Republican too, just from the era when liberal Republicans existed. The problem for the Republicans is that as the Republican party races to more-and-more conservative positions, these lifetime Republican appointees on the court seem more liberal just by keeping to the same positions that got them nominated.

The court’s current swing vote, Anthony Kennedy, is a diehard Reagan Republican. Republicans own this thing already. The trick is that by today’s Republican standards, Reagan was a Communist Kenyan Muslim.

Was it conservative when it said gays have a Constitutional right to marry?

Yes, “small government” is a central tenet of Reagan-era conservatism (Goldwater, Buckley, etc), of which conservatives like Justice Kennedy (a Reagan appointee) are a prime example. The court’s moderates and liberal joined Kennedy for obvious reasons. The conservatives who opposed it represented the more recent theocratic/autocratic branch of modern conservatism, which rejects the premise of small government either entirely or as it suits them.

This is right on point Catbus, and exactly why I say modern republicans are despicable. It’s because they reject the core bedrock of conservatism (government sucks at almost everything so keep it small) and like big government when it benefits their insane desires like an over funded military and infringing on peoples rights to marry who they want or light up a joint.

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darthrush said:

postmodernist, speech controlling, identity-politics

Trump grabbed these things with both hands and ran the board with them. At the very least, the overwhelming success of identity politics in 2016 guarantees it a long life.

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Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court

Soon? The Supreme Court has been a reliably Republican institution for generations!

The Warren Court has left the building, modern conservative Republicans have had at least a slim majority ever since. And Warren was a Republican too, just from the era when liberal Republicans existed. The problem for the Republicans is that as the Republican party races to more-and-more conservative positions, these lifetime Republican appointees on the court seem more liberal just by keeping to the same positions that got them nominated.

The court’s current swing vote, Anthony Kennedy, is a diehard Reagan Republican. Republicans own this thing already. The trick is that by today’s Republican standards, Reagan was a Communist Kenyan Muslim.

Was it conservative when it said gays have a Constitutional right to marry?

My understanding is that 1) conservatism values limited federal government; and 2) family law is traditionally left to the individual states. And therefore, if a state were to grant someone that right, the federal government would let them. What would be a federal issue is whether someone who is gay got married in one state but another state didn’t recognize it as legally legitimate.

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CatBus said:

darthrush said:

postmodernist, speech controlling, identity-politics

Trump grabbed these things with both hands and ran the board with them. At the very least, the overwhelming success of identity politics in 2016 guarantees it a long life.

He used identity politics but he sure as hell had no problem advocating for free speech. If there was one thing I liked about trump was that he stood for free speech. That doesn’t excuse the fact that he’s an egotistical, incompetent, unqualified person for president. But he sure as hell doesn’t stand against free speech like the left does.

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darthrush said:

CatBus said:

darthrush said:

postmodernist, speech controlling, identity-politics

Trump grabbed these things with both hands and ran the board with them. At the very least, the overwhelming success of identity politics in 2016 guarantees it a long life.

He used identity politics but he sure as hell had no problem advocating for free speech. If there was one thing I liked about trump was that he stood for free speech. That doesn’t excuse the fact that he’s an egotistical, incompetent, unqualified person for president. But he sure as hell doesn’t stand against free speech like the left does.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/06/showbiz/trump-bill-maher-suit/index.html

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https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/10/16127968/fired-google-engineer-compares-high-paid-tech-job-to-soviet-forced-labor

Former Google engineer James Damore, who was fired for distributing a memo suggesting women are not biologically suited for certain types of work, is now branding himself as a brave truth teller. In what appears to be his new Twitter account, Damore can be seen wearing a shirt with the word “Goolag,” a play on “Google” that means to suggest the Silicon Valley search company is something like the infamous Soviet camps where prisoners were worked and starved to death as part of one of the 20th century’s worst genocides.

Google, which provides free meals, massages, and fitness classes at its Mountain View, California headquarters, pays engineers like Damore a typical salary of $162,000, according to Glassdoor, not including extra compensation like healthcare benefits, retirement savings, and equity. The company also offers its employees training opportunities, including volunteer sessions on subjects like diversity and unconscious bias.

You know, just like a Gulag.

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darthrush said:

CatBus said:

darthrush said:

postmodernist, speech controlling, identity-politics

Trump grabbed these things with both hands and ran the board with them. At the very least, the overwhelming success of identity politics in 2016 guarantees it a long life.

He used identity politics but he sure as hell had no problem advocating for free speech. If there was one thing I liked about trump was that he stood for free speech. That doesn’t excuse the fact that he’s an egotistical, incompetent, unqualified person for president. But he sure as hell doesn’t stand against free speech like the left does.

I see a lot of people on the Internet who do not know what free speech means. Free speech does not give you free reign to say whatever you want wherever you want. If I yell a cavalcade of offensive names at someone walking down the street, the police have the right to say that I was causing a public disturbance. Similarly, if I were at a restaurant and started yelling offensive slurs to the person at the table across from me, the manager of that restaurant has the right to kick me out. You can say the same things in your own private home, but it’s not allowed in that restaurant. Why people think this can’t apply to the Internet beats me.

Also, Trump is hardly a totally behind free speech person. He has threatened to sue people for saying things that he doesn’t like, and he’s alluded to “opening up the libel laws.”

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darthrush said:

CatBus said:

darthrush said:

postmodernist, speech controlling, identity-politics

Trump grabbed these things with both hands and ran the board with them. At the very least, the overwhelming success of identity politics in 2016 guarantees it a long life.

He used identity politics but he sure as hell had no problem advocating for free speech. If there was one thing I liked about trump was that he stood for free speech. That doesn’t excuse the fact that he’s an egotistical, incompetent, unqualified person for president. But he sure as hell doesn’t stand against free speech like the left does.

You must have missed the rally when he told his supporters to beat up some protesters (and then they did), and the things others have already brought up. Trump’s record on free speech is chilling. The left’s record on free speech is generally good, but you can always find exceptions – i.e. someone who doesn’t really get the nuance, and doesn’t see the difference between the (good) prohibition on school-supported prayer and the (bad) prohibition on students praying on their own.

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court

Soon? The Supreme Court has been a reliably Republican institution for generations!

The Warren Court has left the building, modern conservative Republicans have had at least a slim majority ever since. And Warren was a Republican too, just from the era when liberal Republicans existed. The problem for the Republicans is that as the Republican party races to more-and-more conservative positions, these lifetime Republican appointees on the court seem more liberal just by keeping to the same positions that got them nominated.

The court’s current swing vote, Anthony Kennedy, is a diehard Reagan Republican. Republicans own this thing already. The trick is that by today’s Republican standards, Reagan was a Communist Kenyan Muslim.

Was it conservative when it said gays have a Constitutional right to marry?

My understanding is that 1) conservatism values limited federal government; and 2) family law is traditionally left to the individual states. And therefore, if a state were to grant someone that right, the federal government would let them. What would be a federal issue is whether someone who is gay got married in one state but another state didn’t recognize it as legally legitimate.

I think what the Supreme Court said was states had to allow gay marriages. I think they said a state couldn’t ban gay marriage. I am pretty sure that is not Conservative. I also pretty sure Ferris would agree with me.

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Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court

Soon? The Supreme Court has been a reliably Republican institution for generations!

The Warren Court has left the building, modern conservative Republicans have had at least a slim majority ever since. And Warren was a Republican too, just from the era when liberal Republicans existed. The problem for the Republicans is that as the Republican party races to more-and-more conservative positions, these lifetime Republican appointees on the court seem more liberal just by keeping to the same positions that got them nominated.

The court’s current swing vote, Anthony Kennedy, is a diehard Reagan Republican. Republicans own this thing already. The trick is that by today’s Republican standards, Reagan was a Communist Kenyan Muslim.

Was it conservative when it said gays have a Constitutional right to marry?

My understanding is that 1) conservatism values limited federal government; and 2) family law is traditionally left to the individual states. And therefore, if a state were to grant someone that right, the federal government would let them. What would be a federal issue is whether someone who is gay got married in one state but another state didn’t recognize it as legally legitimate.

I think what the Supreme Court said was states had to allow gay marriages. I think they said a state couldn’t ban gay marriage. I am pretty sure that is not Conservative.

I think it could be interpreted both ways. On the one hand, the government telling you that two men or two women can’t marry is pretty intrusive. That’s a more libertarian point of view. On the other hand, the government forcing all states to allow gay people to marry might go against the “states’ rights” point of view.

I also pretty sure Ferris would agree with me.

I’m not sure why we talk about Ferris so much.

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yhwx said:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/10/16127968/fired-google-engineer-compares-high-paid-tech-job-to-soviet-forced-labor

Former Google engineer James Damore, who was fired for distributing a memo suggesting women are not biologically suited for certain types of work, is now branding himself as a brave truth teller. In what appears to be his new Twitter account, Damore can be seen wearing a shirt with the word “Goolag,” a play on “Google” that means to suggest the Silicon Valley search company is something like the infamous Soviet camps where prisoners were worked and starved to death as part of one of the 20th century’s worst genocides.

Google, which provides free meals, massages, and fitness classes at its Mountain View, California headquarters, pays engineers like Damore a typical salary of $162,000, according to Glassdoor, not including extra compensation like healthcare benefits, retirement savings, and equity. The company also offers its employees training opportunities, including volunteer sessions on subjects like diversity and unconscious bias.

You know, just like a Gulag.

What an ass. I doubt his 15 minutes of online fame is going to pay as well.

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Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court

Soon? The Supreme Court has been a reliably Republican institution for generations!

The Warren Court has left the building, modern conservative Republicans have had at least a slim majority ever since. And Warren was a Republican too, just from the era when liberal Republicans existed. The problem for the Republicans is that as the Republican party races to more-and-more conservative positions, these lifetime Republican appointees on the court seem more liberal just by keeping to the same positions that got them nominated.

The court’s current swing vote, Anthony Kennedy, is a diehard Reagan Republican. Republicans own this thing already. The trick is that by today’s Republican standards, Reagan was a Communist Kenyan Muslim.

Was it conservative when it said gays have a Constitutional right to marry?

That was secular conservativism at its finest. Most conservatives in the United States aren’t secular, though

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yhwx said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

and may soon have the majority of the US Supreme Court

Soon? The Supreme Court has been a reliably Republican institution for generations!

The Warren Court has left the building, modern conservative Republicans have had at least a slim majority ever since. And Warren was a Republican too, just from the era when liberal Republicans existed. The problem for the Republicans is that as the Republican party races to more-and-more conservative positions, these lifetime Republican appointees on the court seem more liberal just by keeping to the same positions that got them nominated.

The court’s current swing vote, Anthony Kennedy, is a diehard Reagan Republican. Republicans own this thing already. The trick is that by today’s Republican standards, Reagan was a Communist Kenyan Muslim.

Was it conservative when it said gays have a Constitutional right to marry?

My understanding is that 1) conservatism values limited federal government; and 2) family law is traditionally left to the individual states. And therefore, if a state were to grant someone that right, the federal government would let them. What would be a federal issue is whether someone who is gay got married in one state but another state didn’t recognize it as legally legitimate.

I think what the Supreme Court said was states had to allow gay marriages. I think they said a state couldn’t ban gay marriage. I am pretty sure that is not Conservative.

I think it could be interpreted both ways. On the one hand, the government telling you that two men or two women can’t marry is pretty intrusive. That’s a more libertarian point of view. On the other hand, the government forcing all states to allow gay people to marry might go against the “states’ rights” point of view.

I guess we can agree here.

I also pretty sure Ferris would agree with me.

I’m not sure why we talk about Ferris so much.

Why not? We were talking about were the the ruling was conservative and Ferris is a Conservative and I know he disagreed with the ruling. Also I miss having Ferris here.

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Yeah there’s just not enough hate and condescension for people who haven’t shared our same experiences and hold the same point of view in this place anymore.

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SilverWook said:

yhwx said:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/10/16127968/fired-google-engineer-compares-high-paid-tech-job-to-soviet-forced-labor

Former Google engineer James Damore, who was fired for distributing a memo suggesting women are not biologically suited for certain types of work, is now branding himself as a brave truth teller. In what appears to be his new Twitter account, Damore can be seen wearing a shirt with the word “Goolag,” a play on “Google” that means to suggest the Silicon Valley search company is something like the infamous Soviet camps where prisoners were worked and starved to death as part of one of the 20th century’s worst genocides.

Google, which provides free meals, massages, and fitness classes at its Mountain View, California headquarters, pays engineers like Damore a typical salary of $162,000, according to Glassdoor, not including extra compensation like healthcare benefits, retirement savings, and equity. The company also offers its employees training opportunities, including volunteer sessions on subjects like diversity and unconscious bias.

You know, just like a Gulag.

What an ass. I doubt his 15 minutes of online fame is going to pay as well.

While I have lost all respect for this guy, people sometimes refer to overbearing people in authority as nazis, without literally meaning that they are the same as people that murdered 6 million innocent people.

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yhwx said:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/10/16127968/fired-google-engineer-compares-high-paid-tech-job-to-soviet-forced-labor

Former Google engineer James Damore, who was fired for distributing a memo suggesting women are not biologically suited for certain types of work, is now branding himself as a brave truth teller. In what appears to be his new Twitter account, Damore can be seen wearing a shirt with the word “Goolag,” a play on “Google” that means to suggest the Silicon Valley search company is something like the infamous Soviet camps where prisoners were worked and starved to death as part of one of the 20th century’s worst genocides.

Google, which provides free meals, massages, and fitness classes at its Mountain View, California headquarters, pays engineers like Damore a typical salary of $162,000, according to Glassdoor, not including extra compensation like healthcare benefits, retirement savings, and equity. The company also offers its employees training opportunities, including volunteer sessions on subjects like diversity and unconscious bias.

You know, just like a Gulag.

What an ass. I doubt his 15 minutes of online fame is going to pay as well.

While I have lost all respect for this guy, people sometimes refer to overbearing people in authority as nazis, without literally meaning that they are the same as people that murdered 6 million innocent people.

Any educated person ought to know the historical baggage that comes with invoking such things. Except for Jeffery Lord, who just lost his cushy CNN job for using a Nazi salute in a tweet, and now this jerk who apparently thinks this t shirt is funny.

Going to get really awkward if he bumps into someone of Russian descent while wearing that shirt.

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Possessed said:

Yeah there’s just not enough hate and condescension for people who haven’t shared our same experiences and hold the same point of view in this place anymore.

You think that that is all Ferris did? I disagree. I think a while ago, he was a great debater and made some good points. I learned alot about the other side from him. More recently, his posting style changed and I agree he did become more condescending. Hateful? no. I won’t agree that. But I will say that I have seen hate and especially condescension from some people here(not you) whom I would not call conservative, towards people that do not hold the same point of view as they.