Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 359

chyron8472 said:

What I want to know is–and I’m asking the conservatives and/or Republicans here–why in God’s name conservatives voted for Donald Trump. Not necessarily against Hillary, as she has more than enough obvious reasons to be thoroughly disliked–but in the primaries.

I know people liked him as a protest candidate against the status quo, but voting for a protest candidate is one thing; voting for Donald Trump is something completely different. So many people knew for the longest time that he cares little for anybody but himself, he’s short tempered, uneducated, listens to conspiracy theorists, and is generally out of touch with the common man.

This is a legitimate question, not a rant nor a flamebait.

Because the vast majority of people are full of shit and don’t care at all about what they claim to care about. Yes, I really do believe it’s that simple.

The Korean War is generally seen as a disaster, and it was horridly costly in terms of lives, but I bet South Korea is grateful not to be a part of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/evangelical-adviser-trump-nuke-north-korea_us_598a62b3e4b0449ed5066531

Robert Jeffress, head of the First Baptist Dallas megachurch, told CBN on Tuesday that a biblical passage in Romans allows rulers to use “whatever means necessary ― including war ― to stop evil.”

He said:

“In the case of North Korea, God has given Trump authority to take out Kim Jong Un. I’m heartened to see that our president ― contrary to what we’ve seen with past administrations who have taken, at best, a sheepish stance toward dictators and oppressors ― will not tolerate any threat against the American people.”

Jeffress also said:

“When @POTUS draws a red line, he will not erase, move, or back away from it. Thank God for pres. who is serious ab. protecting our country.”

Ok then.

One could say the same about opposing communism. …So, the Vietnam War was a good idea?

You know, America doesn’t have the best track record when it comes to militarily forcing American policy on foreign countries against leaders we don’t like. I seem to recall it usually makes the natives mad.

It does do that, although it has worked from time to time. Just ask Germany and Japan.

The ironic thing is, if we were to follow Romans 13 to the letter, the American Revolution would be sin.

" 1 Every [a]person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except [b]from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore [c]whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves."

Not only that, but the French Resistance against Nazi Germany would’ve been a “sin”. Even nonmilitary stuff in the United States like the Civil Rights movement and civil disobedience or draft dodging would be sins.

doubleofive said:

CatBus said:

darth_ender said:

Fair enough, but I do want to be clear, I favor the morning-after pill, as it prevents conception instead killing a fertilized ovum.

I am not 100% sure on this, but I think the morning-after pill prevents implantation, not conception. There’s this brief period where there’s a free-floating fertilized egg, but there’s no pregnancy because it hasn’t implanted anywhere. The morning-after pill prevents implantation, so the pregnancy never starts (thus it’s not abortion because you can’t abort a pregnancy that doesn’t exist)… BUT the egg is fertilized, and it’s lost because it can’t implant. So if fertilization is your point of no return, I think this means this is out.

The morning after pill prevents ovulation, so it only works if the woman hasn’t ovulated yet. It just delays it long enough for the sperm to die off.

IIRC, it does that, but if the woman has already ovulated, it does the former as well.

CatBus said:

chyron8472 said:

I wish someone could explain to me the appeal of Trump. Why the heck do people (still) like him? It’s like with Sarah Palin… there are people who like her, but WHY?!? I just can’t even.

1. He’s (supposedly) rich. No doubt about it, Americans love rich people and over-the-top opulence. Why? Because 1) You have to be inherently good to be rich (Calvinism), and 2) I wanna be like that someday and I can live vicariously through their success.
2. He’s a honey badger. Literally no shits to give about anything or anybody who’s not him. And it’s so entertaining that it’s easy to forget that this includes you.
3. He’s unpolished. Which is how his serial lying actually makes him seem more honest to his supporters.
4. He’s racist. It’s no coincidence he kicked off his Presidential exploration by becoming the world’s loudest birther, just as that movement was starting to reach maximum idiocy. And the hits just kept coming. And yes, this causes people to like him.
5. He’s unqualified. Every public official leaves a trail of political decisions you can criticize. He leaves a trail of bankruptcies, fraud lawsuits, and unpaid bills, but see reason #1 for why none of that matters. He was, in the mind of far too many, a blank slate. People literally thought there was no way to predict what he’d do, which was appealing. These were the people waiting for the “pivot to the general” and then waiting for the “pivot to acting presidential” and now still “giving him a fair chance” in spite of the ongoing pileup of evidence that he’s just as bad as everyone else predicted.

Quoting myself for my take Trump’s appeal.

I can still see why people voted for him against Hillary due to the view that Hillary was corrupt and Trump was the lesser of the two evils, but there is no Christian justification for it.

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

What I want to know is–and I’m asking the conservatives and/or Republicans here–why in God’s name conservatives voted for Donald Trump. Not necessarily against Hillary, as she has more than enough obvious reasons to be thoroughly disliked–but in the primaries.

I know people liked him as a protest candidate against the status quo, but voting for a protest candidate is one thing; voting for Donald Trump is something completely different. So many people knew for the longest time that he cares little for anybody but himself, he’s short tempered, uneducated, listens to conspiracy theorists, and is generally out of touch with the common man.

This is a legitimate question, not a rant nor a flamebait.

I don’t think there are any Trump voters left in here.

No, we don’t even have Trump supporters brilliantly disguising themselves as Bernie supporters anymore. But people may know Trump supporters, have spoken with them in person, etc–probability favors Republicans/Conservatives knowing them, but Democrats may as well.

I met a guy who considered voting for Trump. I have no idea if he actually did or not. He thought it was all an act. A decades-long 24/7 campaign to act like a racist, incoherent asshole with no impulse control. How could a guy like that end up a multi-millionaire*? No, had to be an act. So, between Hillary and this mysterious wild card, he was really torn.

* Hint: The same way most people end up multi-millionaires. They’re born that way.

Also, he may just have been a little on the casually racist side of things (demographic: older working-class divorced white man with some pent up resentment over all kinds of things). But nah, he said that didn’t enter into it. Nosiree. Nope.

And this guy considered himself an independent. All the Republicans I know (in person) voted for Hillary.

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Several different things that will just take us down the same path as before.

maybe, but I’d still like to hear what you have to say.

It’s already been said by many people many different times before.

TV’s Frink said:

CatBus said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

What I want to know is–and I’m asking the conservatives and/or Republicans here–why in God’s name conservatives voted for Donald Trump. Not necessarily against Hillary, as she has more than enough obvious reasons to be thoroughly disliked–but in the primaries.

I know people liked him as a protest candidate against the status quo, but voting for a protest candidate is one thing; voting for Donald Trump is something completely different. So many people knew for the longest time that he cares little for anybody but himself, he’s short tempered, uneducated, listens to conspiracy theorists, and is generally out of touch with the common man.

This is a legitimate question, not a rant nor a flamebait.

I don’t think there are any Trump voters left in here.

No, we don’t even have Trump supporters brilliantly disguising themselves as Bernie supporters anymore. But people may know Trump supporters, have spoken with them in person, etc–probability favors Republicans/Conservatives knowing them, but Democrats may as well.

I met a guy who considered voting for Trump. I have no idea if he actually did or not. He thought it was all an act. A decades-long 24/7 campaign to act like a racist, incoherent asshole with no impulse control. How could a guy like that end up a multi-millionaire*? No, had to be an act. So, between Hillary and this mysterious wild card, he was really torn.

* Hint: The same way most people end up multi-millionaires. They’re born that way.

Also, he may just have been a little on the casually racist side of things (demographic: older working-class divorced white man with some pent up resentment over all kinds of things). But nah, he said that didn’t enter into it. Nosiree. Nope.

And this guy considered himself an independent. All the Republicans I know (in person) voted for Hillary.

I know a woman at work who (unprompted, believe me) told me she would be voting for Trump and then spent ten minutes tearing apart Hillary. I never did find out what Trump brought to the job.

In some ways that’s the same story as mine. Candidate A has two decades of conspiracy theories about her (and maybe there’s a chance one is even true!) and a not-so-great record as a Senator. But Candidate B is a Rorschach test, and when I look at it, I see winning!*

* That or urine-soaked sheets, they look very similar.