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TV's Frink
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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7-Aug-2017, 5:05 PM

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

the majority of hardcore Democrats will give it all a blanket, “abortion on demand without apology,” response.

I think this is a misconception. There are very few people at all that want to see a constant stream of abortions.

Maybe link to some stories of people demanding it?

Abortion on demand, meaning readily available, for anyone that wants it regardless of their reason.

I think that’s a tomayto/tomahto difference, though. If your goal is to reduce the number of abortions without reducing the availability of abortions, that position is effectively abortion on demand, although nobody who held that position would describe it as such. “Abortion on demand” only (badly) describes the desired legal landscape, it doesn’t describe the policy goal. Abortion on demand can lead to a significant reduction in the number of abortions, if coupled with increased access to other reproductive healthcare or related services, as the Obama administration more or less proved.

How does it badly describe the desired legal landscape? It sounds accurate to me.

Also, the majority of Americans are against the legalization of late term abortions according to Gallup polling and others. I’ve never once heard anyone provide a defense of late term abortion, excluding for health reasons, but pro-choicers still treat it like it’s a violation of human rights.

Well, speaking as someone who knows someone who had a late-term abortion, let me spell it out. Her fetuses had already died, the miscarriage was not happening for whatever reason, and she was in serious danger of getting blood poisoning from the dead bodies inside her. Had there been a late-term abortion ban in our state, she’d be dead along with her fetuses. Yes, aborting pregnancies where the fetus has already died is still abortion. The procedure is the same. As it was, even though we’re in a “liberal” state, she had to drive several hours to get this life-saving procedure, and nobody was allowed in the room with her while she had it (she was grieving AND in danger of death, and she had to go in alone) because once you’ve whittled down the options to the few who provide the service at all (considering how incredibly rare late-term abortions are, how the state can regulate them especially stringently, and how this increases the chances of getting firebombed/assassinated, you can see why this may be the case), you pretty much have to go with whatever bizarre rules they choose to have.

Regarding the earlier point, it’s much like drug legalization. Legalizing drugs doesn’t mean everyone gets drugs with no repercussions. Kids don’t. You can still get DUIs, etc. Similarly, the liberal position on abortions doesn’t mean a regulatory free-for-all. Reasonable controls can still exist, viability for example.

I think the laws should be different when comes aborting fetuses at are already dead, as opposed to fetuses that are still alive. I don’t think there needs to be any restrictions put on aborting dead fetuses.

I’m almost certain that if the fetus is already dead, there are no laws that would prevent its removal prior to term.