Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 339

In case there was any doubt remaining that Wikileaks is/has become just another pro-Russian propaganda mill.

TV’s Frink said:

I seem to remember Jeebus cheering on WikiLeaks during the run-up to the election. Wonder how he feels about them now?

Well, there was a time when it wasn’t clear WikiLeaks had an agenda or even a record favoring any particular nation or institution, and people could be forgiven for taking them at their word. That was, after all, the whole point of the operation – to build up a reputation for neutrality and truthfulness, so that they would be a better channel for distributing Russian propaganda than RT, Sputnik, and Pravda, which would be (and still are) more easily dismissed by Western audiences.

It’s basically the reputation equivalent to money laundering – reputation laundering. Obvious Russian state propaganda goes in, plausibly neutral news appealing to a conspiracy-minded Western audience comes out.

dahmage said:

It’s only 3.5 years to go.

1. Congress needs to start working together
2. Achieve some things directly against Trump’s wishes
3. Public opinion sways to see how much better things could be without Trump.
4. Congress can actually impeach and get rid of Trump

I doubt this will happen, and some might argue that 3 is already true, but I don’t think it is. Until Congress gets it’s shit together in a bipartisan way, most people will assume that a change of president is not going to do much.

The Senate did vote 97-2 to impose sanctions on Russia. The House passed similar legislation by a similarly wide margin. Trump used to oppose this, but now the White House has said that he will sign the bill. This could count under number one and two.

Meanwhile, 43 percent of the public wants Donald Trump to be impeached. This may seem like a lousy number, but in July 1973, about a year before Nixon resigned, 24 percent of the public wanted Richard Nixon to be impeached. I would expect that number to tick up in the coming months.

Finally, if Democrats win the House in 2018 (which they have a good shot of doing), I would expect Donald Trump to be impeached by the House very quickly. I’m not sure, however, if the Senate would convict him of a crime and therefore forcing him out of office. It would be a tall order to get around a dozen Republicans on board for that. Maybe if it seems like Trump is threatening the Republican agenda, they’ll decide that President Pence would be a better route to take. Who knows, though. I don’t know what the political climate might be like in 2019 or what revelations might have come up by then. There’s also the (very small) chance that this Russia story was nothing to begin with, or that Trump personally wasn’t involved in any collusion. I seriously doubt that, but it’s a possibility.

I don’t think that the goal from the very beginning of WikiLeaks was to be Russian propaganda—that seems like a bit too long of a con for me to believe it. But it’s pretty true now.

TV’s Frink said:

I seem to remember Jeebus cheering on WikiLeaks during the run-up to the election.

Unrelated but still related.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Politics/id/2888/page/1453#1001153

TV’s Frink said:

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

I seem to remember Jeebus cheering on WikiLeaks during the run-up to the election. Wonder how he feels about them now?

Well, there was a time when it wasn’t clear WikiLeaks had an agenda or even a record favoring any particular nation or institution, and people could be forgiven for taking them at their word.

In the fall of 2016?

Point conceded.

yhwx said:

Finally, if Democrats win the House in 2018 (which they have a good shot of doing)

Nitpick: that link shows Democrats with a just-under-8-point national lead. Both 538 and RCP consider an 8-9 point national lead to be the bare minimum Democrats need in order to break even in the House, taking gerrymandering into account. So that really shows Democrats gaining seats in the House but failing to win a majority, and of course that doesn’t take into account the voter suppression and Russian interference which we can safely assume will be much more aggressive this time around.

We all go a little mad sometimes.

I thought Clinton was going to win.

I was wrong about that.

Doesn’t make me any less accountable.

TV’s Frink said:

I seem to remember Jeebus cheering on WikiLeaks during the run-up to the election. Wonder how he feels about them now?

I don’t know about him, but my thoughts were always that we shouldn’t ignore the shady stuff exposed by WikiLeaks purely because it came from WikiLeaks.

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

I seem to remember Jeebus cheering on WikiLeaks during the run-up to the election. Wonder how he feels about them now?

I don’t know about him, but my thoughts were always that we shouldn’t ignore the shady stuff exposed by WikiLeaks purely because it came from WikiLeaks.

Unless it’s shady only because they trimmed out the context that would have revealed that it was normal (like their Mueller hit job), or if it’s shady only because the stuff they exposed had been altered by Russian intelligence before they released it (like their Macron hit job). With WikiLeaks you get so many options!

Some people only look at Twitter. Otherwise Trumpy would be on Facebook.