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Originally posted by: Darth Kraxus
I have to agree that most of what's been posted did make the film a bit less impactful, but I had some other problems as well:
-I felt that the way Mace Windu dies was a cheap way out and did nothing but reduce the character's powers and abilities, especially when you consider how long Emperor Palpatine fry's Luke in ROTJ and he survives. I think that we should have seen him thrown out of Palpatine's window and follow him down to a passing vehicle where he grabs on much like Anakin in AOTC. By having him escape like this they could have had a final confrontation on the bridge of Vader’s Star Destroyer and let everyone watch Vader kill Mace Windu there. Much more honorable to that awesome character and a more resounding ending to the film, showing Vader's complete confidence and domination of the Force.
i agree it could have been a bit more noble, but i dont know about grabbing a passing speeder. remember he lost his hand(s?). Also, unlike most people I dont think we really needed to see Vader kicking but in the suit. I think pre-mechanical Vader kicking butt is enough (could have been a bit more of that actually) but he has mastery of the force at that point, when he;s re-built that doenst increase his control over the force. Also, thinking about it, why exactly did Palpatine care that much to save Anakin. He let Maul die, he orchestrated Dooku's death, he let Grevious Die and actually told the Jedi where Grevious was. So why save Anakin. I mean, most of the Jedi have been wiped out, hes pretty much in power at that point, why does he still need Vader? only reason i can see is because he wasnt ready to replace him so didnt have a new apprentice picked out/ready to convert.
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-I thought that there was a scene with Obi Wan communing with Qui Gon, and now that I know that it exists I too am pissed that it wasn't shown in the film proper. It would more appropriately bridge the films and give us that much more insight into how Obi Wan vanishes into the force in ANH.
well the only scene i believe we have established has been cut is that of Yoda talking to Qui-Gon, I dont recall people saying there was actually a scene where Qui-Gon shows up or Obi-Wan talks to him.
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-For the record, it was never spoken in the film that Padme died of a broken heart! The line was, "We don't know why, but she's lost the will to live." I don't think that her death hurts the Leia line latter on about her mother because her memory was of a sad mother figure that she barely remembers, and that could just as easily be Bale Organa's wife she's remembering.
its clearly her real mother, not Mrs. Organa. this is clearly stated in ROTJ when Luke asks "Do you remember your mother? your real mother?" Also, broken heart, will to live, kinda the same thing. She gave up on life because of Anakins turn. However, the problem here is that the line the medic droid says not too much before the line you quoted is something along the lines of 'We're loosing her, there's nothing wrong, we cant explain it" then 2 seconds later they explain it as her haveing lost the will to live. Ok, so much for not being able to explain it.
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Count Dushku said:
[Obi-Wan met Threepio. Watch A New Hope, Obi-Wan has no clue who Threepio is...but now he does.]
I disagree! He knows exactly who C-3PO is but is unwilling to divulge his knowledge because it would give Luke too many questions before he was ready to handle them. Also since C-3PO's memory was wiped it facilitates this much more fluidly. If you think about it, R2-D2 is doing the exact same thing and has been for 20 years or so at that point since his memory is still intact. He won't tell C-3PO who Leia is or where the message he is carrying came from.
totally agree here, yeah technically Ben lies to Luke, but its not viscious. He had to 'play dumb' so to speak so as not to confuse/scare Luke. as was said, Luke wouldnt have been able to handle all that.
Think about how Luke would react if Ben responded like this when Luke said that R2 'claims to be the property of some Obi-Wan Kenobi, do you know whats hes talking about?"
Ben: "Oh, R2. Hows it going, long time no see. Yeah, Luke, this droid actually belonged to your father before he turned to the Dark Side and became Darth Vader. He actually built the protocol droid R2 hangs out with too. But after he turned and his wife, your mom, died. Oh that was in child birth by the way, we gave the droids to Captain Antillies and had C-3PO's memory wiped. that was at the same time we sent you here to live with your uncle, and we sent your twin sister...oh, forgot, yeah, you have a twin sister who we seperated from you at birth and whos identity we kept hidden from you. Shes the one in the message, so get those nasty thoughts out of your head boy. Oh, before i forget, heres your Dad's lightsaber. I took it after i cut him in half and left him for dead on a volcanic planet. he was in pretty bad shape, but the emperor fixed him up with the mechanical body he has now...you know, maybe leaving him there wasnt the best idea in retrospect...oh well. Anyway, go pack your bags, you gotta learn the ways of the force and come with me so you can defeat your father."
The only time it really seems he 'forgot' something was when talking to Yoda about "that boy being our only hope" and Yoda said, "no, there is another" but maybe Ben just never considered that leia was strong in the force. I mean, she never exhibits any of its abilities like Luke (or Anakin in TPM) did.
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-And yes I felt that Grievous was very inadequately portrayed with the knowledge of the Clone Wars iteration still fresh in our minds. He was injured and incapacitated at the end of the Clone Wars cartoon though by Mace Windu using a force crush on his chest causing his coughing and wheezing throughout Episode III. But that shouldn't have effected his resolve and brutality any. I think he could have been a bit more menacing if there had been other Jedi present while Obi Wan was fighting Grievous and had slain them in the battle. Not only would that battle been more poignant, it would also have been more of a pivotal battle showing that Obi Wan needed Jedi assistance because Grievous was so difficult of an opponent and if he had not slain Grievous then, he would have been that much more dangerous of a character latter on when Vader came to power and hunted the rest of the Jedi.
i agree that the clone wars cartoons shouldnt be needed to explain Grevious' cough (forget who said that) but other than that i do htink grevious should have/could have been more bad ass.
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Overall though I felt that the film was definitely a cut above the rest and it sits squarely in 3rd place behind ESB (2nd) and ANH (1st) in my book!
-Darth Kraxus
I agree that it was a good movie, but I dont really know where id place it in my rank cause im not even sure how i would rank the IV, V, and VI individually. i was never any good at assigning ranks/number values to things.
-Darth Simon