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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion — Page 8

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Originally posted by: ricarleite

I swear, that maternity droid is nightmare material for children... Was I the only one disturbed dy it?


Not only that, but what about those rubber oven-mit hands... aside from being surprisingly clean... I just don't know... *shudder*
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This just randomly occured to me out of nowhere...
and I hope I'm not going off-topic here, but I was thinking about the Vader/Emperor/Bridge shot, and suddenly I thought:

Maybe MagFan is going to reuse that scene, by incorporating it into episode VI, and pretend that they are overlooking the construction of the 2nd death star (not the first)!

However, I am probably just rambling as I am in severe need of sleep... Maybe I dreamed this up... hrmm.

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Originally posted by: TK-420
[oh yeah, and i think that 'Maternity Droid' needs a better soothing mantra then 'Oooba Ooooba'


goosfrabba

who can name that reference.
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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Originally posted by: Darth Simon
Originally posted by: TK-420
[oh yeah, and i think that 'Maternity Droid' needs a better soothing mantra then 'Oooba Ooooba'


goosfrabba

who can name that reference.


Anger Management.

What do I win? (I'll accept either the original trilogy in DVD quality or 5 bucks. )
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Originally posted by: klokwerk
This just randomly occured to me out of nowhere...
and I hope I'm not going off-topic here, but I was thinking about the Vader/Emperor/Bridge shot, and suddenly I thought:

Maybe MagFan is going to reuse that scene, by incorporating it into episode VI, and pretend that they are overlooking the construction of the 2nd death star (not the first)!

However, I am probably just rambling as I am in severe need of sleep... Maybe I dreamed this up... hrmm.

That would be interesting, but wouldn't work for several reasons:
1) The 2nd Death Star skeleton does not look like what we see in RotS. Although it does make more sense construction wise to build it that way, unless someone wants to paint in more skeleton in RotJ, they just wouldn't match up.
2) Where would this scene go? Certainly not at the end of ESB. The end of ANH? That's an intriguing possibility, but the lack of dialogue after all that had just transpired would make it almost pointless.
3) Tarkin. I know he is barely seen, but he is noticable.
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Sad to say, because I love it, but the Yodafight in Episode III just doesn't belong in the movie.

Once the Jedi are betrayed, we should have AT MOST 30 minutes left... not over an hour. It's only there because it belonged in ROTJ and Lucas couldn't do it at the time (for obvious practical reasons) and wanted to stick it somewhere. We also spend 20 minutes wasting time (read: changing the message in the jedi temple etc) simply to get to that fight scene. Which, again, doesn't belong. [Aside from the fact that we need obi-wan to 'think as you you did' re saving anakin]

Re: Revenge of the Sith... we know the jedi wiped them out...

because we know that they want revenge for SOMETHING, and we know that the jedi are their enemies, and say they are extinct, and we're not stupid. It doesn't need to be spelled out. Beyond which, Fall of the Republic does kinda, how do you say, spoil the ending?

Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
Well, I think you can leave Maul as Maul in the first film, because doing so allows for the 'REVEAL' when the camera pans in tight on Greivous eyes. I think using a simple audio editor, you can alter GG voice to a lower, slower tone that will be closer to that of Maul's, but yet different enough as was Vader's. The whole point is to shock the viewer when you get close up and all of a sudden, he is Maul underneath. Even change the blade colors to Red for his sabers and leave the other Jedi's alone.

I too, would like to know what this Obi-Wan edit in the OT is about. :grin.

Since Grevious has no lips, you could redub the whole thing (much though I like his voice.. maybe someone can get in touch with Matt Wood) and have him talking through the final obiwan fight and reveal himself, or claim revenge.... adds to name rots...

You could re-dub the 'you must realize.. . you are doomed' 'oh i dont think so' climactic moment of their fight to a revelation as to his identity.... even so far as to dub obiwan (as his mouth is off-screen) .

Also- we're all keen on preserving the ESB Father reveal, but is there any way possibly to preserve the Yoda reveal as well, or is that one just shot to hell?

The only way to do it would be to establish that that's Yoda's native planet, and therefore this maybe isn't Yoda.

And btw---- if R2D2 remembers everything, why would he fight with Yoda over a candy bar to the point of zapping him?

Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
in ANH, Tarkin is the Governor of the Outer Rim territories....
Anyway, I do agree that the story could have benefitted more from additional exposition of Tarkin. I noticed the dialogue about the deleted scene where Palpatine gave more authority to the Governors and thought this directly addressed the Tarkin situation.


Anyone want to go fishing through Peter Cushing's filmography with a pair of scissors?
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TEXT COPIED FROM ANOTHER THREAD:
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If you read the original draft of Revenge of the Jedi, by George Lucas, it will be clear to you that there is a 'rule of two' and the emporer is cutting Vader out...

Additionally- to settle this Dooku issue -- it is obvious that he needs to be less black-and-white and more charismatic. Unfortunately, it is obvious that he isn't Sidious. Also, we don't have the key 'Lost 20' scene which would make the whole story work. As such, suggest leaving orange saber, but dub 'Sifo-Dyas' as 'Lord Tyranus' and re-insert the final scene... to reveal that he who is running the droid army in fact creating the opposing army. This will, I think, be quite a suitable ending.

...also, the Yoda fight in Episode II needs to dissapear in its entirety.
Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
Also, you didn't seem to address the fact that Yoda himself must have been a Dark Lord of the Sith in order to have had knowledge of the rule, as it was put into place AFTER they were wiped out... and that comes from George himself.

Who cares what Lucas said? As far as the movies themselves are concerned, you have to assume that there was some interaction with the Sith at some point after the 'rule of two' went into effect. This only makes sense, given we don't even know the reason for it inside the movies.

And the proof is in the pudding -- because Yoda knows it.

It would make a lot of sense to make Dooku the good guy even in Sith, who captured the villian finally, only to be killed...

We must be able to get audio of Christopher Lee saying something like 'no, you don't understand, he's..' (over his shoulder) then a quick cut to palp 'kill him!' and the head comes off.

Also, if we cut out anakin killing the tuskens (go off on his his expression and the twisty violins) then the mediocre scene with him and padme where he confesses isn't just a confessions.. it will be more powerful, because it's a revelation.
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and when Emperor in ROTJ says 'everything has been going according to my design' this should not simply be a revelation of the plot of that film, but of the whole series. (This is aided by something many don't like, namely the midichlorians. You can even leave them in, if you cut out the references to it being in the bloodstream. Just make it an observation made about he has strong midichlorians, and that its possible he was fathered by the midichlorians. There's a slim chance it can be made to work, for people picky about microscope jedi)
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This is what I had thought Lucas should do after II came out: introduce a character similar to Vader, a Jedi, about whom Obi-Wan's ANH backstory could be accurate, and let us think that it is HIS remains Sidious finds and restores into Darth Vader.

The Tone Poems, I just realized, are no doubt a good source for dubs. Beyond which, if we REALLY want Grevious to be Maul, we can probably get the guy who did Maul (or if both are being re-recorded, I know where we can find some great voice talent.) All a shame, cos i love Grevious' voice.
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off-topic: there were always dicrepancies between the movies. If anything, the new portrayal of Vader as weak helps to gel those. The biggest one is the opening scroll of 4 saying that destroying the death star could 'restore freedom to the galaxy' and then they do, and 5 opens (it is a dark time for the rebellion.' what? The Emperor destroyed the senate, and lost his death star, thus losing his control via the regional governers. This is something easily solved by adding in the opening scroll that it is a time of chaos in the galaxy, with everyone struggling for control, the empire struggling to reclaim its grip, and the rebels on the run. (ie, just saying 'the galaxy has been flung into chaos' implies a lot more about revolutions and their results, etc) and we will imagine this chaos all occuring offscreen during ESB. I think this would be effecive.

Any thoughts?

Alas, if only there were a way to erase quigonjinn and make obiwan the protagonist of 1, which would make him the protagonist of the prequel trilogy.
And free candy. Free candy would be quite nice as well, I think.
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
I think if either Shaak Ti scene goes on the dvd, it will be the OLD one, with Grievous killing her.
I've seen stills of him impaling her (though it was written to be a decapitation) with completed effects and Matt Wood has said that he's going in to record new Grievous dialogue for the dvd.
If they were to use the Anakin killing Shaak Ti scene, I would bet it would just be reincorporated into the film. It's too short and quick to be a deleted scene.



I'd love a link to that image, as I write for a DVD website and we have an ongoing feature that shows the script that is missing when it has been confirmed to have been shot. Thus, that image would confirm it.


Thanks to Asha for the link to this:

Anakin ready to rock the Shaak!
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I wanted to return to the idea of Magnoliafan making the whole Vader thing a surprise (though I'm not sure how, given how Episode III is all about Obi-Wan's apprentice losing it). I was thinking that one way to retain the Vader awakes-Frankenstein thing would be to have it play during Ben's "more machine now than man" speech in RotJ, when he finally reveals the truth to Luke.

I also wanted to add that I'm very excited by all of Magnoliafan's releases, although I'm only halfway through watching Balance right now.

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After watching it again, what still stands out to me is the Grevious/Kenobi Utapau segment.

I'm not sure how i'd edit that part, I wish there was a way to entirely remove all the Boga/Wheelbike action, and as little seen of that Lizard the better.

I'd like to see Kenobi land on Utapau, talk to Tion, stay as his fighter leaves, then it cut to another scene on Coruscant, when cut back to Utapau show parts of Greivious talking to members of the trade federation (eliminating the lizard riding sequence) with Kenobi watching then jumping down...after this I would edit seqments of the dialogue/duel....but then after the Clones arrive, I'm stuck on how to get those two characters from point A to B without that dueling on Lizard Wheelbike segment.

Anyone have any further ideas?.


Something I considered with the Vader scene, is doing a fade when the Emperor has a smile on his face right after Vader busts loose from the table...The Noooo and the Al Jolson gesturing don't really need to be in there, I think it's just failed extra dramatics....the fade would have to have great timing or it would seem too rushed.

The hair coming scene with Anakin/Padme I think everyone agrees, can be sliced right out of there.

I do quite a few snip edits with the Palpatine/Mace duel....As Palps spins through the air I'd keep only the sound of a spinning saber instead of Palps sounding like some rusty Tie Fighter...then have Palps instantly stab the first Jedi right after he lands (no standing around for a second delay).

I'd also Eliminate , some strange Palpatine facial expressions during his saber duel, as well The goofy mouthed Palpatine "nooo, nooo", it would just cut back from Mace to Palps saying "you will die" and shooting lighting.

Also gone are "What have I done", "Gooooood", most of the "don't listen to him" Mace/Palp type banter directed at Anakin....just alot of small dialogue edits would help the scene a great deal.
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My edit: put every deleted scene back in, provided it makes sense and doesn't suck.

Super-duper, extra long Episode III would be awesome. Maybe it'd seem less rushed that way. After all, I'm never in a hurry when I watch Star Wars.

EDIT: I'm not actually doing an edit. I meant that that's what I would do if I were.

I never had the nerve to make the final cut.

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Greencapt - Would it be possible to post a link to that pic instead.
"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter evenings."
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Originally posted by: TheSessler
Greencapt - Would it be possible to post a link to that pic instead.


Because you asked so nicely!
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Originally posted by: spaint
I wanted to return to the idea of Magnoliafan making the whole Vader thing a surprise (though I'm not sure how, given how Episode III is all about Obi-Wan's apprentice losing it). I was thinking that one way to retain the Vader awakes-Frankenstein thing would be to have it play during Ben's "more machine now than man" speech in RotJ, when he finally reveals the truth to Luke.

I also wanted to add that I'm very excited by all of Magnoliafan's releases, although I'm only halfway through watching Balance right now.

Steve


Just end Anakin's character with his hand pulling him up the gravel and the ship flying over. Remove all references to 'Lord Vader' made by Palpatine, and just dub his 'Skywalker' over all of it. Thus, you think Anakin is dead and Vader just appears. It also adds intrigue to Obi-Wan's character, because he says that Vader killed his father, when actually he did.
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Originally posted by: rennervision
Second, as others have mentioned, Anakin's change from remorse over Mace Windu's death to proclaiming Palpatine as master is too abrupt and unbelievable. I would suggest cutting the scene right after Anakin is crying saying, "What have I done?" I would also eliminate the scene where he slaughters the younglings because it simply doesn't work. (Look, killing children is something I might do three days after joining the dark side - two days at the earliest. But certainly not within the first five minutes!)


While it is quick, I think it is explained well enough. Palpatine tells him that he will only be strong enough in the Dark Side if he goes to the temple and wipes out everyone, showing no mercy. Anakin needs to become strong with the Dark Side, and quickly, if he is to save Padme who is pretty far along with the Twinkies.
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
Originally posted by: spaint
I wanted to return to the idea of Magnoliafan making the whole Vader thing a surprise (though I'm not sure how, given how Episode III is all about Obi-Wan's apprentice losing it). I was thinking that one way to retain the Vader awakes-Frankenstein thing would be to have it play during Ben's "more machine now than man" speech in RotJ, when he finally reveals the truth to Luke.

I also wanted to add that I'm very excited by all of Magnoliafan's releases, although I'm only halfway through watching Balance right now.

Steve


Just end Anakin's character with his hand pulling him up the gravel and the ship flying over. Remove all references to 'Lord Vader' made by Palpatine, and just dub his 'Skywalker' over all of it. Thus, you think Anakin is dead and Vader just appears. It also adds intrigue to Obi-Wan's character, because he says that Vader killed his father, when actually he did.

I've been thinking about this... And I really like the idea. However, if someone went with this route, in my opinion at least, it would be FAR better for them to use Hayden at the end of RotJ.

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Also, as far as Grievous goes, I like the idea of trying to use Maul's eyes on the zooming in on the eyes scene. It would also be nice if we could mix in some dialogue about him "not losing this time" or something.

For instance...

*Obi-Wan Jumps Down, Magna Guards Turn*
Grievous: General Kenobi! Always jumping in to things, aren't you? Kill him.
*Magna Guards = Owned*
Grievous: Back away! I have a score to settle with this Jedi.
Obi-Wan: Your move.
Grievous: *Unbuttoning cloak* Maybe if you weren't so foolish as to not realize who I am...
*Shakes off cloak*
*Pulling out lightsabers*
Grievous: You wouldn't charge into something like this.
*Ignites sabers and pulls them back*
Grievous: Come. It is time to join your master.

Then later, when the Clonetroopers arrive...
Grievous: Now, Kenobi. Perhaps I should carve you in half, so you know what I experienced.
Obi-Wan: (This can be redubbed, since you don't see his mouth) You're... The Sith?

Okay... That whole bit was really bad and tacky, but you get the idea...

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First post - have to hope that Mag hears what I have to say when he's building his new edit!

The first time I watched the movie I was literally making mental notes of scenes that could be cut, bad edits, etc. I think this film is _awful_ in regard to it's editing/pacing - I'm really looking forward to Mag's edit as it should be vastly superior to GL's rushed attempt.


My biggest gripes were GL's insistence on including scenes that have no actual need to be there: and in fact often take away from the OT:

- combing sequence; the acting is so bad here, and there's nothing established that justifies it's inclusion.

- the naming of the kids; serves no purpose other than to show more of Padme's bad makeup and worse acting - and it ruins the whole Leia/Luke unveil later.

- the rest of the birth scene; the acting/droids are so bad, and Obi being there makes his OT character seem even more deceptive.

- most of the scenes on Kashyyk[sic]; again, they form no purpose other than GL wanting Chewie in the story, and him wanting to finally put the planet in. If it had been in more of the story; Endor sort of time, then I'd be happy with it, but as it is it just confuses the story. It would work much better if you got a glimpse of it during the Council holo, and the order 66 scene. There's no need to justify Yoda being there anymore than you justify other Jedi on field duty. And what were they thinking having Yoda jump on Chewie's back!

- Vader; everything post-lava is totally pointless - and I totally agree with Mag's decision to cut it. The OT works so much better you not initially _knowing_ Vader is Anakin. It seems that GL has scripted this movie with Ep3 coming _after_ watching 4-6 - when you put the 6 movies together, all of the big turning points in the OT are no longer a suprise.


I was planning on doing my own edit of this (was searching for the leaked cutting room version) before I found out Mag was already well underway - good job! If you need any assistance in putting this all together I'd be more than happy to offer my time!
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Originally posted by: maddog00
Plus, make the lizard less talky. I swear, it seemed like that thing was making noise every 10 seconds.

And it makes exactly the same sounds as those aliens in pitch black

Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Here's what I've (re) written for III at this point. Since I have, like, six months to work on this, it may change of course. Especially if we find it won't fit. Hopefully it will fit just fine.
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Episode III
Revenge of the Sith

The Clone Wars have ravaged
the galaxy. The Republic is
crumbling under attacks from
Lord Darth Tyrannus, the
fallen Jedi Count Dooku.

In a stunning move, fiendish
leader of the Droid Army
General Grievous has swept into
the capital and kidnapped
Chancellor Palpatine, leader of
the Galactic Senate.

As the Separatists flee
with their valuable hostage,
Jedi Knights Obi-Wan Kenobi
and Anakin Skywalker lead a
desperate mission to rescue the
captive Chancellor...
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You should definetely put in the first word "WAR!"! I think this is kinda needed when the movie starts and something like the "drums of war" asound from the soundtrack (I hope you get what I mean, I'm not a natural english speaker).

And for the extended scenes:
Maybe one of you could put in the nude Bai Ling scene just for fun?
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"WAR! the Republic is crumbling" should be put in there.
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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MF needs to make the Dish on the DS to right size, and maybe end with the construction scene, and not the Binary Sunset.

My reasoning is that way the DS construction could be taking place long after those scenes, and make more sense than a 19 year construction project.

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See, I find the "WAR" pretty cheesy, given that we just saw "Star WARs" on the screen a moment ago. It's pretty clear the movie has something to do with war.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
See, I find the "WAR" pretty cheesy, given that we just saw "Star WARs" on the screen a moment ago. It's pretty clear the movie has something to do with war.


Yeah, but something like War! seems right in toe with a Saturday Morning serial.
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I've got a new thing to fix in Ep III. In order to further resolve PT/OT continuity, it's going to require that R2's mind be wiped. I think it can be done in the audio alone.

I think I can modify Organa's line to say "Have the droids' minds wiped" by removing "protocol" and make "mind" plural using the "ds" from "droid's." I think this will work, but I don't know if there will be a lip-synch problem.

Then there won't be the issue of R2 not knowing Yoda or trying to scrap with him in ESB. It will probably actually help the Ben-and-R2-not-recognizing-each-other-in-ANH continuity problem as well. Then it'll be easier to accept Ben just putting up a facade.
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