Info: When does fullscreen show more than widescreen? — Page 2

I just compared my Robin Hood: Men in Tights vhs with a 1.85:1 letterboxed broadcast on Fox Movie Channel. It's open matte. Which means that every Robin Hood movie I can think of has a 1.33:1 aspect ratio. Adventures from 1937 is in Academy standard, the 1973 Disney movie is open matte (and the new dvd cropped it), Prince of Thieves from 1987 with Kevin Costner's lack of an English accent is matted according to the back of the warner dvd. Plus Men in Tights. Prince of Thieves and Men in Tights were only released in 4:3 on vhs. 

And avoid the South Park Imaginationland dvd! The video is inexplicably cropped to widescreen even though the episodes were shown on tv 4:3. The back of the dvd even falsely says full screen! Even more inexplicably worse, another reviewer on Amazon claims that it is letterboxed. As in not animorphic which means the video is modified from its aspect ratio to NOT fit any tv screen. That's even more ridiculous than the GOUT.

ok,

so how are some Full screen versions made?

i know that for some, they crop the widescreen image as mentioned earlier..

are there any cases where they upscale the image? or do resizing? is that

inherent in the process? (not that i trust wikipedia)...but..

For the opening crawl in each Star Wars film, on the pan and scan versions the viewer has to wait until a line of text of the opening crawl reaches the center of the screen to read through that whole line. On the widescreen versions, each line of the opening crawl text appears in its entirety beginning at the bottom of the screen.

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sorry, don't mean to hijack this thread..

but this is just too cool...

i took the full screen se version of ep4, and compared it to the widescreen (sorry i had errors ripping the crawl, couldn't compare them)..

first i did them vertically (also rescaling/resizing them to match up)..

avisynth script - ok, now you can see, that they panned around to different

parts of the frame, which weren't necessarily in the center..

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# show clips in variables a,b on top of each other like this:
# a
# b

# trimmed past the crawl which didn't work properly

clip1 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4 - se Fullscreen\VTS_02_1.d2v").trim(8945,0)

clip2 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4 - se\VTS_02_1se.d2v").trim(8945,0)

StackVertical (clip1,clip2).ReduceBy2()

ShowFrameNumber(offset=9, text_color=$ff0000)

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ok, i didn't correct for aspect ratio...

next..

ok, lets correct for aspect ratio, and add borders to the full screen version of ep 4 se...

avisynth script

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# show clips in variables a,b on top of each other like this:
# a
# b

# trimmed past the crawl which didn't work properly

clip1 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4 - se Fullscreen\VTS_02_1.d2v").trim(8945,0)

clip2 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4 - se\VTS_02_1se.d2v").trim(8945,0)

# add borders to match horizontal size

clip1 = clip1.addborders(280, 0, 280, 0, $000000)

# resize the second clip to match aspect ratio

clip2 = clip2.crop(0, 50,0,-50).BilinearResize(1280,560)

# stack the two clips and show frame numbers

StackVertical (clip1,clip2).ReduceBy2()

ShowFrameNumber(offset=9, text_color=$ff0000)

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and now for the really cool part..

now lets overlay them, and see what happens.....at times it goes in and of the center...pans to the left, and sometimes to the right..

but they tried to jump at cut scenes, so it's not always a smooth transition..

notice how some shots almost line up...

aviscript

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# overlay 2 clips
# resize the GOUT to the same size, and the reset position to match

clip1 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4 - se Fullscreen\VTS_02_1.d2v").trim(8945,0)

clip2 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4 - se\VTS_02_1se.d2v").trim(8945,0)

# add borders to match horizontal size

clip1 = clip1.addborders(280, 0, 280, 0, $000000)

# resize the second clip to match aspect ratio

clip2 = clip2.crop(0, 50,0,-50).BilinearResize(1280,480)

# alter the opacity for different effects..

Overlay(clip1, clip2, y=0, mode="blend", opacity=0.5)

ShowFrameNumber(offset=9, text_color=$ff0000)

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i'll try to post a short video clip if i can....

by the way, when you clip the full screen/crop to 16x9, and watch that

widescreen, it feels like a different movie, because you're watching the action so closely...

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ok,

here's a short 2 minute clip of the FS -se   vs WS-se , don't watch to closely, or you'll go cross-eyed,

the fainter images are the FULL screen version, or just watch the middle part of the video...

http://rapidshare.com/files/132489031/over_seWs_vs_seFS.avi.html

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EJones216 said:

As for the "Godfather" question earlier on this thread, American Cinematographer has an article on the restoration, complete with frame grabs of entire negative frames. http://www.ascmag.com/magazine_dynamic/May2008/PostFocus/page1.php

So it can be confirmed that, like most 35mm productions, the entire frame was exposed. Including the generous amount of headroom on top, and the little strip of dead space on the left to be masked and occupied by the soundtrack. I still wouldn't expect anything other than a 16x9 DVD set.

thanks for the link to that awesome article...

i wish people understood what it takes to restore a film, instead of just blindly asking why company XYZ can't

just restore film ABC..................................................i really appreciate all the attention to detail, and feel it really is a lost art..

some specs for people..

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The project stayed at 4K throughout the restoration, and Harris says this capability was key to the team’s success. “Paramount didn’t wait to do this work because they didn’t want to invest in it,” he says. “What was necessary was the ability to work in true 4K resolution; anything they might have tried on the digital side before that would have been a waste of time.”

Yarbrough estimates that the digital files for the Godfather trilogy required 160 terabytes of storage space. (By comparison, the final scans for a 4K DI of a 100-minute feature require about 8 terabytes.)

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anyways, a very good read..

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All I know is that i have not had a old style tv since the 90’s… All tv’s except bedroom have always been wider screens…
With rare exceptions… its always been better for me to do widescreen.

As it is, as the years go by… my main den tv gets bigger… and wider.

Smalllest i ever had was my first and only nonflat… Ive had flatscreens for decades. Ive had 52inch plus for nearly the whole time… i had plasma but not since the beginning… my plasma has zero issues with burnin unlike earlier plasmas.

This fall I will have my craziest tv buy ever… will go 65" smarttv either 4kuhd or oled (latter is typically too expensive).
A lot of this is per a gut redo of the den. sorta mancaving it.

Ive had very few exceptions were fullscreen was preferred… but note: I have 500 movies… but of that maybe 80+ are sufficently old enough (pre 1960’s scifi and westerns)… many of those are not ever gonna be widescreen…

So despite my preference, some of my collection will never be widescreen…

But if i have a choice, its widescreen all the way. Ive got enough of them where i have both wide & full.
When they are estatesale buys. .I dump the fullscreen once I find I dont care for it.

Since I will never ever have a old style regular tv (outside of bedroom) I dont really care.

I know that at least nearly since the previous post (to mine) that I have yet to see regular block tv’s in years.
Nearly 100% have been flatscreen and rectangular…

In my open matte master list, there are about 3000 titles; even discarding the double ones due to different formats, and the ones still not checked and that would be indeed cropped and not open matte, there would be more than 2500 open matte/fullscreen titles… that are a bit more than 1% of all released movies - should also add that the list is mainly focused on US movies.

Personally, I do not consider the open matte version the “real deal”; yet, if available, I’ll grab it as an alternative version - and usually mics and other props aren’t visible in open matte versions (1.78:1) while could be more probable on fullscreen (1.33:1) ones.