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darthrush said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

darthrush said:
what I’m doing is analyzing the concept of white privilege and making the claim that it is a racist concept.

Would you have made the same claim if it were, oh, say, the year 1800 ?

Of course not. Our country is constantly evolving and changing. Abolishment of slavery, civil rights movement, etc.

That’s inconsistent with the earlier statement: “the idea of white privilege is absolutely reprehensible and dangerous to society and how it is a very racist concept”. It sounds like it really isn’t absolute, and instead depends on the context.

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Someone’s gonna have to explain to me how this isn’t treason.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html?_r=0

President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it.

The meeting was also attended by his campaign chairman at the time, Paul J. Manafort, and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kushner recently disclosed the meeting, though not its content, in confidential government documents described to The New York Times.

The Times reported the existence of the meeting on Saturday. But in subsequent interviews, the advisers and others revealed the motivation behind it.

The meeting — at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, two weeks after Donald J. Trump clinched the Republican nomination — points to the central question in federal investigations of the Kremlin’s meddling in the presidential election: whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. The accounts of the meeting represent the first public indication that at least some in the campaign were willing to accept Russian help.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/09/donald-trump-jr-s-stunningly-incriminating-statement-to-the-new-york-times/?utm_term=.61d533ab3e10

Read the whole story. Trump Jr. confirmed the whole damn thing in the middle of denying it. What a fucking moron.

And Trump’s lawyer claimed that Trump had no knowledge of the meeting. Sure.

JEDIT: If you can’t read the story, here are the money quotes.

In a statement on Sunday, Donald Trump Jr. said he had met with the Russian lawyer at the request of an acquaintance. “After pleasantries were exchanged,” he said, “the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”

He’s trying to claim he had no idea she would be offering dirt on Clinton. But then he says:

“It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting,” Mr. Trump said.

Whoops.

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TV’s Frink said:

Someone’s gonna have to explain to me how this isn’t treason.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html?_r=0

President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it.

The meeting was also attended by his campaign chairman at the time, Paul J. Manafort, and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kushner recently disclosed the meeting, though not its content, in confidential government documents described to The New York Times.

The Times reported the existence of the meeting on Saturday. But in subsequent interviews, the advisers and others revealed the motivation behind it.

The meeting — at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, two weeks after Donald J. Trump clinched the Republican nomination — points to the central question in federal investigations of the Kremlin’s meddling in the presidential election: whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. The accounts of the meeting represent the first public indication that at least some in the campaign were willing to accept Russian help.

TV’s Frink said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/09/donald-trump-jr-s-stunningly-incriminating-statement-to-the-new-york-times/?utm_term=.61d533ab3e10

Read the whole story. Trump Jr. confirmed the whole damn thing in the middle of denying it. What a fucking moron.

And Trump’s lawyer claimed that Trump had no knowledge of the meeting. Sure.

JEDIT: If you can’t read the story, here are the money quotes.

In a statement on Sunday, Donald Trump Jr. said he had met with the Russian lawyer at the request of an acquaintance. “After pleasantries were exchanged,” he said, “the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”

He’s trying to claim he had no idea she would be offering dirt on Clinton. But then he says:

“It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting,” Mr. Trump said.

Whoops.

These are just plain insulting.

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The last Syrian ceasefire lasted what, a few days at best?

Where were you in '77?

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TV’s Frink said:

Trump is desperately trying to change the subject.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/10/trump-accuses-james-comey-of-breaking-the-law-based-on-a-misleading-fox-news-report/?utm_term=.ff1259352317

"Breaking the law, Breaking the laaaw…

Breaking the law, Breaking the laaaw…"

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Those goalposts were getting so outmoded in their old positions. For those who can’t stomach the previous level of spin on this issue, the new goalposts are:

Yeah, sure, the Russian intelligence services tried to swing the election for Trump and the Trump campaign colluded with them at the highest levels, BUT…

  1. Just because Russian hackers messed with state voter rolls doesn’t mean the election would have turned out differently had they not done this. Alternate timelines are unknowable.
  2. The Trump team working with Russian intelligence services looking for dirt on Clinton is exactly equivalent to the Clinton team talking to old Trump associates looking for dirt on Trump. And not at all akin to when the Russians offered to help Humphrey against Nixon (that offer was declined due to it being shady as hell). Elections are rough-and-tumble.
  3. Just because the Russians wanted the Trump team to end economic sanctions in exchange for their assistance, and the only change to the GOP platform the Trump team made was to end Russian sanctions, does not mean there was any sort of quid pro quo arrangement. Coincidences happen.
  4. Just because the Trump team initially denied pretty much all of their contacts with Russian officials until presented with proof to the contrary does not mean anything shady was going on. People forget stuff.
  5. But what about [shiny object of the week]?!? We should all be looking into THAT! (some goalposts never need to be moved)

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Apparently the shiny objects of the week also include Chelsea Clinton.

If Chelsea Clinton were asked to hold the seat for her mother,as her mother gave our country away, the Fake News would say CHELSEA FOR PRES!

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TV’s Frink said:

Apparently the shiny objects of the week also include Chelsea Clinton.

If Chelsea Clinton were asked to hold the seat for her mother,as her mother gave our country away, the Fake News would say CHELSEA FOR PRES!

Also, ignore that first goalpost about alternate timelines being unknowable when it works to our advantage.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Goddamn there sure are a lot of oppressed white males in this thread.

If the worst thing that has happened to you is someone thinks you’re racist because you’re white, you’re living a pretty good life.

I never claimed to be oppressed, just annoyed and sick and tired of crap like those articles.

No one complained that they were oppressed and nor did anyone say they didn’t have a pretty good life.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/07/10/does-donald-trump-know-who-the-president-is/?utm_term=.2acbc33caf08

Why, Donald Trump wonders, are we wasting all this time looking into the election of Donald Trump, a man who did not even win a majority of the popular vote, when Hillary Clinton is there, amassing scandal after scandal, safe from her perch in the Oval Office?

Everything that Donald Trump does makes sense when you know that Hillary Clinton is president. He has plenty of time on his hands since he does not have to lead. He can tweet and put his head together with Sean Hannity’s head and study controversies. This is also why Donald Trump has been suggesting such strange things when it comes to policy. Who cares? What impact can it possibly have?

This is why he is always yelling about Fake News. The Fake News media have contumaciously persisted in their failure to notice that in spite of Donald Trump’s best efforts to stop her, Hillary Clinton is still in charge, and everything that is wrong in the country is the result of something she has done. Why won’t they admit this simple fact? “Fox & Friends” will, thankfully. But “Fox & Friends” alone is not enough.

Why isn’t this being reported? This is the greatest scandal. Why, in the world where Donald Trump lives, Hillary Clinton sat down at the G-20 summit and gave the country away. GAVE IT AWAY! She just handed it to them. Macron said “I don’t want this! Why have you given it to me?” but he figured he could dispose of it later in some sort of reverse Louisiana Purchase, and Merkel just threw up her hands. Also Chelsea kept her seat warm, and she received UNEARNED ACCLAIM for so doing. It was a GREAT SHAME, and nobody talks about it!

(In the world that I can see, Donald Trump went into a room with Vladimir Putin and suggested that we form a joint force on cybersecurity together, but that just CAN’T be what happened because it is so absolutely idiotic.)

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No need to be so hasty.

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The new world order, in a photo:

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Trump can’t exist without Hillary! She is his Professor Moriarty. Well, more like a Roger Denby, but you get the idea. 😛

Where were you in '77?

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CatBus said:

The new world order, in a photo:

How did they get Donald to stand off to the side willingly?

Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

CatBus said:

The new world order, in a photo:

How did they get Donald to stand off to the side willingly?

Actually after I posted the image, I realized it’s been cropped. Macron should be off to Trump’s side, but he’s been cut off. Fake photo! Making it an even better sign of the times… Apparently Macron was originally placed further back but more to the center, but he moved way off to Trump’s side just before the final poses were struck. Weird.

EDIT: Also I think there’s a Slitheen in the third row.

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I don’t see how anyone can deny that Hillary would’ve been more competent than Trump, but seeing as how she ran one of the worst campaigns of all time and allowed Trump (a seemingly unwinnable candidate) to take the presidency I’d be shocked if anyone would actively seek her endorsement.

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Well, she certainly wouldn’t have colluded with Russia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-russia-email-candidacy.html

Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.

“The material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy.”

So yeah, he knew exactly what he was doing, and it wasn’t good.

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You can’t say this is just smoke anymore. This is real hot fire.