Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 308

TV’s Frink said:

darthrush said:

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

darthrush said:
what I’m doing is analyzing the concept of white privilege and making the claim that it is a racist concept.

Would you have made the same claim if it were, oh, say, the year 1800 ?

Of course not. Our country is constantly evolving and changing. Abolishment of slavery, civil rights movement, etc.

Racism is still not solved though.

I do not believe that racism plays a role as a major obstacle anymore for someone to succeed in America. You actually have an extra advantage when it comes to college admissions if your of color. I fail to see any substantial evidence that racism still is a major obstacle for black people to succeed.

Holy shit man.

I see my claim surprises you. I understand that a lot of people still think racism still is a major obstacle for people to succeed and I am ready to see what your evidence is since you obviously subscribe to that belief but the fact that it is easier to get into prestigious colleges if you are of color is not refutable in the slightest. It’s called Affirmative Action.

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

I’m surprised nobody has said that they’re “color blind” yet.

Yeah another ridiculous thing. Now it is racist to for one to say they are “color blind”. That used to be a positive thing to be, now it is racist.

It’s not racist, per se, but it’s not helpful.

why isn’t being “color blind” helpful? Isn’t it the direct opposite of being racist?

Race is still a huge problem in America. Notice how almost all police shootings target black people?

I don’t know how true that is, I do know whenever there is a police shooting of a black person that is in any way suspicious, it makes headlines. I can’t say the same for police shootings of white people.

btw, notice how the officer is almost always presumed guilty by groups like Black Lives Matter?

Warbler, your spot on here. Being color blind is what we should strive for in a fight to end all racism. And I cited some eye opening statistics a few posts earlier than yours about how there is not nearly as much discrimination when it comes to police brutality towards blacks as the media may want you to believe.

darthrush said:

TV’s Frink said:

darthrush said:

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

darthrush said:
what I’m doing is analyzing the concept of white privilege and making the claim that it is a racist concept.

Would you have made the same claim if it were, oh, say, the year 1800 ?

Of course not. Our country is constantly evolving and changing. Abolishment of slavery, civil rights movement, etc.

Racism is still not solved though.

I do not believe that racism plays a role as a major obstacle anymore for someone to succeed in America. You actually have an extra advantage when it comes to college admissions if your of color. I fail to see any substantial evidence that racism still is a major obstacle for black people to succeed.

Holy shit man.

I see my claim surprises you. I understand that a lot of people still think racism still is a major obstacle for people to succeed and I am ready to see what your evidence is since you obviously subscribe to that belief but the fact that it is easier to get into prestigious colleges if you are of color is not refutable in the slightest. It’s called Affirmative Action.

Ahah ahaha.

darthrush said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

I’m surprised nobody has said that they’re “color blind” yet.

Yeah another ridiculous thing. Now it is racist to for one to say they are “color blind”. That used to be a positive thing to be, now it is racist.

It’s not racist, per se, but it’s not helpful.

why isn’t being “color blind” helpful? Isn’t it the direct opposite of being racist?

Race is still a huge problem in America. Notice how almost all police shootings target black people?

I don’t know how true that is, I do know whenever there is a police shooting of a black person that is in any way suspicious, it makes headlines. I can’t say the same for police shootings of white people.

btw, notice how the officer is almost always presumed guilty by groups like Black Lives Matter?

Warbler, your spot on here. Being color blind is what we should strive for in a fight to end all racism. And I cited some eye opening statistics a few posts earlier than yours about how there is not nearly as much discrimination when it comes to police brutality towards blacks as the media may want you to believe.

Jesus Christ. How are we supposed to solve racism if we don’t acknowledge race‽

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

TV’s Frink said:

darthrush said:

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

darthrush said:
what I’m doing is analyzing the concept of white privilege and making the claim that it is a racist concept.

Would you have made the same claim if it were, oh, say, the year 1800 ?

Of course not. Our country is constantly evolving and changing. Abolishment of slavery, civil rights movement, etc.

Racism is still not solved though.

I do not believe that racism plays a role as a major obstacle anymore for someone to succeed in America. You actually have an extra advantage when it comes to college admissions if your of color. I fail to see any substantial evidence that racism still is a major obstacle for black people to succeed.

Holy shit man.

I see my claim surprises you. I understand that a lot of people still think racism still is a major obstacle for people to succeed and I am ready to see what your evidence is since you obviously subscribe to that belief but the fact that it is easier to get into prestigious colleges if you are of color is not refutable in the slightest. It’s called Affirmative Action.

Ahah ahaha.

Its frustrating when I continually ask to have a real and legitimate discussion about these ideas but all I ever get is “Holy Shit” and “ahah ahaha”. This is why debating with smug leftists gets old very fast.

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

I’m surprised nobody has said that they’re “color blind” yet.

Yeah another ridiculous thing. Now it is racist to for one to say they are “color blind”. That used to be a positive thing to be, now it is racist.

It’s not racist, per se, but it’s not helpful.

why isn’t being “color blind” helpful? Isn’t it the direct opposite of being racist?

Race is still a huge problem in America. Notice how almost all police shootings target black people?

I don’t know how true that is, I do know whenever there is a police shooting of a black person that is in any way suspicious, it makes headlines. I can’t say the same for police shootings of white people.

btw, notice how the officer is almost always presumed guilty by groups like Black Lives Matter?

Warbler, your spot on here. Being color blind is what we should strive for in a fight to end all racism. And I cited some eye opening statistics a few posts earlier than yours about how there is not nearly as much discrimination when it comes to police brutality towards blacks as the media may want you to believe.

Jesus Christ. How are we supposed to solve racism if we don’t acknowledge race‽

I mean to say that we should not acknowledge the race of someone when evaluating them for college or a job. Those positions should be judged purely on merit and not at all with race. I hope that clears up more on what I think it means to be “color blind”. I can easily understand how you can interpret it to mean something else and want to make sure we’re on the same page.

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

I’m surprised nobody has said that they’re “color blind” yet.

Yeah another ridiculous thing. Now it is racist to for one to say they are “color blind”. That used to be a positive thing to be, now it is racist.

It’s not racist, per se, but it’s not helpful.

why isn’t being “color blind” helpful? Isn’t it the direct opposite of being racist?

You can’t solve a problem if you don’t acknowledge the roots of it. You have to acknowledge that people eat crappy pizza everyday if you want to fix that!

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

You guys have unsurprisingly missed the point(s) (just like last time).’

I’m a white male, I could never possibly understand these things.

Hopefully someday you and the rest will (and you most certainly can), and the world will be a better place.

Yeah, I know, I make the world such a horrible place right now.

This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.

No the kind sh** that makes it impossible to reach a point of understand are articles like the ones posted yesterday.

No.

Yes.

huh?

2011 meme

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nope-chuck-testa

It was a roundabout way of saying “nope.”

Did the gif actually load for anybody? If it didn’t, I might need to fire my copy editor.

TV’s Frink said:

darthrush said:

TV’s Frink said:

darthrush said:

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

darthrush said:
what I’m doing is analyzing the concept of white privilege and making the claim that it is a racist concept.

Would you have made the same claim if it were, oh, say, the year 1800 ?

Of course not. Our country is constantly evolving and changing. Abolishment of slavery, civil rights movement, etc.

Racism is still not solved though.

I do not believe that racism plays a role as a major obstacle anymore for someone to succeed in America. You actually have an extra advantage when it comes to college admissions if your of color. I fail to see any substantial evidence that racism still is a major obstacle for black people to succeed.

Holy shit man.

I see my claim surprises you.

It doesn’t surprise me, it disgusts me, and this is the last post I’m making on the subject.

Alright then. I would have loved to hear why you believe what you believe but I guess if my opinion shakes you to such a degree, then I’ll let ya be.

Warbler said:

darthrush said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

I’m surprised nobody has said that they’re “color blind” yet.

Yeah another ridiculous thing. Now it is racist to for one to say they are “color blind”. That used to be a positive thing to be, now it is racist.

It’s not racist, per se, but it’s not helpful.

why isn’t being “color blind” helpful? Isn’t it the direct opposite of being racist?

Race is still a huge problem in America. Notice how almost all police shootings target black people?

I don’t know how true that is, I do know whenever there is a police shooting of a black person that is in any way suspicious, it makes headlines. I can’t say the same for police shootings of white people.

btw, notice how the officer is almost always presumed guilty by groups like Black Lives Matter?

Warbler, your spot on here. Being color blind is what we should strive for in a fight to end all racism.

You know, I am starting to believe whenever a term becomes popular to use to say that one is not racist, that term is going to be deemed to be wrong and racist to use.

That’s exactly what the left does. Continuous and constant attempts to control speech and what words are racist or bigoted. It limits discussion of real ideas when you just tell someone they’re a racist or bigot. A leftist will opt out of a conversation in that situation because they think they’re unearned sense of moral superiority is a way out.

File under “Links that Frink already posted but are relevant to the conversation:”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-owens/4-problematic-statements-white-people-make-about-race_b_9212864.html

The part pertaining to “I don’t see color”/“color blind:”

1. “I Don’t See Color.”

On the surface, this might seem like a harmless statement affirming that race doesn’t matter to you one way or another. But what it’s really doing is claiming that all of us are the same - which isn’t true. Because even though we are all human and are all made of the same stuff, it is our responsibility to acknowledge that, since we do exist within a societal system of racism, the color of our skin can and does dictate the way each of us experiences life.

To state that there is no difference between a white person and a black person is to completely erase the black person’s experience of oppression in today’s society - and that’s not helpful.

What to say instead: “Though I believe every human deserves equal rights, I recognize that people of color have had very different experiences of life than I have, due to the struggles they have endured based on the color of their skin.”

yhwx said:

File under “Links that Frink already posted but are relevant to the conversation:”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-owens/4-problematic-statements-white-people-make-about-race_b_9212864.html

The part pertaining to “I don’t see color”/“color blind:”

1. “I Don’t See Color.”

On the surface, this might seem like a harmless statement affirming that race doesn’t matter to you one way or another. But what it’s really doing is claiming that all of us are the same - which isn’t true. Because even though we are all human and are all made of the same stuff, it is our responsibility to acknowledge that, since we do exist within a societal system of racism, the color of our skin can and does dictate the way each of us experiences life.

To state that there is no difference between a white person and a black person is to completely erase the black person’s experience of oppression in today’s society - and that’s not helpful.

What to say instead: “Though I believe every human deserves equal rights, I recognize that people of color have had very different experiences of life than I have, due to the struggles they have endured based on the color of their skin.”

Me and warbler agree that we both would rather judge someone soley on their actions and what type of person they are rather than their race and I don’t see how that is wrong in the slightest. Neither of us would deny the roots of racism and that it existed but I would argue that it isn’t a major deciding factor for someone’s future in America. I think that is mainly up to you as an indidvual.

darthrush said:

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

TV’s Frink said:

darthrush said:

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

darthrush said:
what I’m doing is analyzing the concept of white privilege and making the claim that it is a racist concept.

Would you have made the same claim if it were, oh, say, the year 1800 ?

Of course not. Our country is constantly evolving and changing. Abolishment of slavery, civil rights movement, etc.

Racism is still not solved though.

I do not believe that racism plays a role as a major obstacle anymore for someone to succeed in America. You actually have an extra advantage when it comes to college admissions if your of color. I fail to see any substantial evidence that racism still is a major obstacle for black people to succeed.

Holy shit man.

I see my claim surprises you. I understand that a lot of people still think racism still is a major obstacle for people to succeed and I am ready to see what your evidence is since you obviously subscribe to that belief but the fact that it is easier to get into prestigious colleges if you are of color is not refutable in the slightest. It’s called Affirmative Action.

Ahah ahaha.

Its frustrating when I continually ask to have a real and legitimate discussion about these ideas but all I ever get is “Holy Shit” and “ahah ahaha”. This is why debating with smug leftists gets old very fast.

I’m sorry, but thinking that minorities have an easier time of getting into colleges because of affirmative action is just ridiculous. You have to assume that minorities (mostly excluding Asians) are doing just as well or better than white people for that to be true.

darthrush said:

yhwx said:

File under “Links that Frink already posted but are relevant to the conversation:”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-owens/4-problematic-statements-white-people-make-about-race_b_9212864.html

The part pertaining to “I don’t see color”/“color blind:”

1. “I Don’t See Color.”

On the surface, this might seem like a harmless statement affirming that race doesn’t matter to you one way or another. But what it’s really doing is claiming that all of us are the same - which isn’t true. Because even though we are all human and are all made of the same stuff, it is our responsibility to acknowledge that, since we do exist within a societal system of racism, the color of our skin can and does dictate the way each of us experiences life.

To state that there is no difference between a white person and a black person is to completely erase the black person’s experience of oppression in today’s society - and that’s not helpful.

What to say instead: “Though I believe every human deserves equal rights, I recognize that people of color have had very different experiences of life than I have, due to the struggles they have endured based on the color of their skin.”

Me and warbler agree that we both would rather judge someone soley on their actions and what type of person they are rather than their race and I don’t see how that is wrong in the slightest. Neither of us would deny the roots of racism and that it existed but I would argue that it isn’t a major deciding factor for someone’s future in America. I think that is mainly up to you as an indidvual.

Firstly: Ok, maybe that’s what you think and do. I believe you. But many people say “I don’t see color” and mean what that article. I suggest you discontinue your use of that phrase.

Secondly: I guess it seems like you and I will never meet eye to eye on how there is still systematic racism in this country.

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

yhwx said:

File under “Links that Frink already posted but are relevant to the conversation:”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-owens/4-problematic-statements-white-people-make-about-race_b_9212864.html

The part pertaining to “I don’t see color”/“color blind:”

1. “I Don’t See Color.”

On the surface, this might seem like a harmless statement affirming that race doesn’t matter to you one way or another. But what it’s really doing is claiming that all of us are the same - which isn’t true. Because even though we are all human and are all made of the same stuff, it is our responsibility to acknowledge that, since we do exist within a societal system of racism, the color of our skin can and does dictate the way each of us experiences life.

To state that there is no difference between a white person and a black person is to completely erase the black person’s experience of oppression in today’s society - and that’s not helpful.

What to say instead: “Though I believe every human deserves equal rights, I recognize that people of color have had very different experiences of life than I have, due to the struggles they have endured based on the color of their skin.”

Me and warbler agree that we both would rather judge someone soley on their actions and what type of person they are rather than their race and I don’t see how that is wrong in the slightest. Neither of us would deny the roots of racism and that it existed but I would argue that it isn’t a major deciding factor for someone’s future in America. I think that is mainly up to you as an indidvual.

Firstly: Ok, maybe that’s what you think and do. I believe you. But many people say “I don’t see color” and mean what that article. I suggest you discontinue your use of that phrase.

Secondly: I guess it seems like you and I will never meet eye to eye on how there is still systematic racism in this country.

I would guess so too. But that’s no problem. I know that you, just as well as myself, hate racism and want every last trace of such an evil thing to be gone and that’s all that matters in the end. Thanks for the discussion though. I always love getting as many different viewpoints as possible on various issues.

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

I’m surprised nobody has said that they’re “color blind” yet.

Yeah another ridiculous thing. Now it is racist to for one to say they are “color blind”. That used to be a positive thing to be, now it is racist.

It’s not racist, per se, but it’s not helpful.

why isn’t being “color blind” helpful? Isn’t it the direct opposite of being racist?

It’s not that BEING color blind isn’t helpful. Of course it is. It’s that CLAIMING to be color blind isn’t helpful. It’s like being in a debate and saying “I’m right” - it just doesn’t help. It also conveys that one isn’t willing to discuss the possibility that one might have (inadvertently) done something racist.