When they are untrue, imo, it becomes valid to bring up “Not All Men”. Point #5 shows this. Point #5 basically argues that there are no “good guys”.
Well, I mean, it is true. Every human being on this Earth is susceptible to bad behavior. It’s in our DNA. It’s why we have civilization. You, me, and every man on Earth are susceptible to objectifying women and giving in to bad social constructs.
I agree no one is perfect, but there are some humans worse than others. Being susceptible is not the same as being guilty and it doesn’t mean you aren’t a “good guy”. Also women are also susceptible.
True. I’m not sure what you’re arguing against here.
The idea that there are no “good guys”
Still not seeing where someone argued this point.
point #5 seems to argue it.
Not really.
I disagree with you.
I think the author takes liberties with the phrase “good guy.” At that moment, I think that that phrase is being used rhetorically, not literally.
possibly, but that is not how it comes off to me.
Your problem. There’s more to writing than just the literal meaning of it.
Think it more than just my problem, but whatever.
Probably just how you read it.
I am willing to bet there are others that read it the same way I did.
I just don’t like the attitude in point #6. It stereotypes about the male ego and it refers to men as “privileged people” to justify putting all men into this one negative group.
Men are privileged. Men are sexually harassed less than women, and there’s a lot more men in many fields of work than women.
Did you miss it when I said “There is some truth to it, but I think the “privilege” some think white people and men have is exaggerated.”? I think some think the privilege is the same was it was back in the 1950’s. Things have changed. Privilege isn’t what it used to be.
True, but it still exists.
and I acknowledged that is still exists, I just think it is exaggerated sometimes.
When?
When did I acknowledge it? When I said “There is some truth to it”. When is it exaggerated? often. I articles and opinion pieces in the paper all the time that do so. You would think it was still the 1950s.
This isn’t about defending my damaged ego, this is about fairness. It is not fair assume guilty due to group.
I think some part of your ego is hurt. Why are you defending this so voraciously?
Maybe I just sick and tired of articles like this about sexism and racism. Maybe I am tired of being groups with men that act like assholes, just because I am one. I know I am sick and tired of being blamed for slavery and jim crow. I know I am sick and tired of being assumed that I am some sort of racist because I am white. I am sick and tired of being in the group that is blamed by some for all of society’s ills.
Yet again:
::shrug::
whatever.
*sigh*?
If you say so.
You shouldn’t feel alone in this, I’ve felt like it before. But you have to introspect and think about your actions and your words.
Maybe someone should tell the writer of the article to think about her words.
I’m not sure why you’re treating this article like it’s some offensive BS.
I don’t the whole article is wrong or offensive. But I do think some parts of it are bs.
Fine. Your problem.
*sigh*?
Also it talks about the opportunity to learn about another group’s experience, which “nobody owes them”. I am pretty writer does want men to know and understand about the experiences of women, but I and other men are mind readers. How would we learn what the writer would want us to learn without such opportunities?
Read? Listen?
I try. But maybe all groups need to do some reading and listening to the other group. Maybe some women could learn from experiences of when men were falsely accused of sexism or were victims of sexism themselves. Maybe some black people could learn from experiences of when white people were falsely accused of being racist or were victims of racism themselves.
The problems you’re pointing out here are compartively small boar to the problems minorities and women face all the time.
I think we disagree on just how bad the problems are that women and minorities face. They still face some problems, but not nearly as bad as it used to be and I think the problem they have today are exaggerated.
I disagree.
Then we will have to disagree.