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Post #1088847

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yhwx
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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8-Jul-2017, 3:08 PM

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

EDIT: If you think that saying “Not All Men” is sexist or even problematic in any way whatsoever, then you’re absolutely crazy. You’re an absolute lunatic if you think that reminding people not to generalize and blame an entire 50% of the population for the actions of a few is something that we shouldn’t do.

https://www.bustle.com/articles/171595-6-reasons-not-all-men-misses-the-point-because-its-derailing-important-conversations

I agree with a few things the that article says, but some of it is bs. I agree “Not All Men” should never be used to silence women or to derail conversations or to justify any sexists or argue that women shouldn’t feel uncomfortable in certain situations. But it is true that not all men are sexist pigs. Not all men are rapists. There is nothing wrong with saying the truth at the right time.

I think the article is trying to say that there isn’t a right time.

Point number #2 and point #4 are sometimes untrue.

When?

When they are untrue, imo, it becomes valid to bring up “Not All Men”. Point #5 shows this. Point #5 basically argues that there are no “good guys”.

Well, I mean, it is true. Every human being on this Earth is susceptible to bad behavior. It’s in our DNA. It’s why we have civilization. You, me, and every man on Earth are susceptible to objectifying women and giving in to bad social constructs.

I disagree with your framing that there are no “good guys,” as you put it, because there are good people in the world. There’s good men in the world. But every good person is susceptible to evil, just as all evil people are susceptible to good.

Should it really be all that surprising that I would take that as an attack on all men and view it in a men vs. women kind of way??? The same is true for point #6. I especially can’t stand the attitude at the end of point #6, that is all about men vs. women and attacking men.

How so?

But I will admit that “Not All Men” shouldn’t be used to excuse you when you are part of the problem. Finally of course the article has to bring up privilege. There is some truth to it, but I think the “privilege” some think white people and men have is exaggerated.

You are a white man. I bet that might distort your viewpoint.

Also forgotten is the very slight minor privilege women and black people have: They don’t get blamed for the acts of a few.

I’m sure that many times, women and minorities are blamed for the acts of a few.

They don’t get blamed for acts that happened years before they were born. They don’t get articles like this written about them telling not bring up completely true facts like “Not All Men”.

As I said before, I’m sure these articles are being written. Maybe we just don’t read or see them, but I bet these sorts of views are held by many people.

I guess I grew up with a character flaw: I don’t think people are guilty due to their sex or race. I guess I listened to MLK’s I have a dream speech too many times. I was taught that stereotyping is wrong. Sorry.

There’s no need to be sorry. I think you get the wrong point from the article.

Btw, if “Not All Men” is wrong to say, doesn’t it also make it wrong to say “Not All Muslims”? I don’t think it is wrong to say “Not All Muslims”, but I think you see my point.

That’s a point I can’t really generate a response to. A better debater would probably challenge you better here, but I’ll stay out of this.