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You should look up “Disneyfication”.

Wikipedia defines as:

(Disneyfication and similar terms) are generally used in a negative way, and they imply homogenization of consumption, merchandising, and emotional labor. They can be used more broadly to describe the processes of stripping a real place or event of its original character and repackaging it in a sanitized format. References to anything negative are removed, and the facts are watered down with the intent of making the subject more pleasant and easily grasped.

There are lots of books written on the very topic. Pretty much what will happen in this film IMO.

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yhwx said:

You keep on saying these things about Disney controlling the movies and the people who make them but do you have any proof of your theory?

I keep asking the same question. The issues with TFA are 100% Abrams… classic to his style and not Disney’s.

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Alderaan said:

You should look up “Disneyfication”.

Wikipedia defines as:

(Disneyfication and similar terms) are generally used in a negative way, and they imply homogenization of consumption, merchandising, and emotional labor. They can be used more broadly to describe the processes of stripping a real place or event of its original character and repackaging it in a sanitized format. References to anything negative are removed, and the facts are watered down with the intent of making the subject more pleasant and easily grasped.

There are lots of books written on the very topic. Pretty much what will happen in this film IMO.

If you showed Rogue One to somebody seven years in the past, I don’t think they’d recognize it as a Disney movie.

I don’t think many traditional Disney movies have everybody the protagonists die in them and a pyrrhic victory.

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yhwx said:

Alderaan said:

You should look up “Disneyfication”.

Wikipedia defines as:

(Disneyfication and similar terms) are generally used in a negative way, and they imply homogenization of consumption, merchandising, and emotional labor. They can be used more broadly to describe the processes of stripping a real place or event of its original character and repackaging it in a sanitized format. References to anything negative are removed, and the facts are watered down with the intent of making the subject more pleasant and easily grasped.

There are lots of books written on the very topic. Pretty much what will happen in this film IMO.

If you showed Rogue One to somebody seven years in the past, I don’t think they’d recognize it as a Disney movie.

I don’t think many traditional Disney movies have everybody the protagonists die in them and a pyrrhic victory.

There was still a ton of Disneyfication in Rogue One. It would be interesting to see what the original cut looked like though. Maybe there was less of it there.

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Alderaan said:

yhwx said:

Alderaan said:

You should look up “Disneyfication”.

Wikipedia defines as:

(Disneyfication and similar terms) are generally used in a negative way, and they imply homogenization of consumption, merchandising, and emotional labor. They can be used more broadly to describe the processes of stripping a real place or event of its original character and repackaging it in a sanitized format. References to anything negative are removed, and the facts are watered down with the intent of making the subject more pleasant and easily grasped.

There are lots of books written on the very topic. Pretty much what will happen in this film IMO.

If you showed Rogue One to somebody seven years in the past, I don’t think they’d recognize it as a Disney movie.

I don’t think many traditional Disney movies have everybody the protagonists die in them and a pyrrhic victory.

There was still a ton of Disneyfication in Rogue One.

Care to share with the group?

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Ask in the Rogue One thread, and I will answer when I get around to it.

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TV’s Frink said:

I will never understand the attitude that a new movie can ruin an older movie. I will see this once, and if it sucks, I’ll never see it again, and it won’t affect my opinion of the OT or TFA one bit.

That’s not really the problem. I simply don’t care about seeing this movie. I’ll probably watch it when it comes to streaming, out of curiosity, and if I wind up liking it, that will be a pleasant surprise.

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Been gone for weeks and have no interest in reading what some of you guys have said about this whole kerfuffle (can only imagine it’s a lot of people who had no faith in the directors to begin with now all worked up that they aren’t involved - basically, people being negative for the sake of it).

I’ll just say this, I’m honestly pretty disappointed. Lord and Miller are a couple of really talented guys so it’s a shame I won’t get to see their vision of the film.

As for my take on what went down, I guess the undeniable bottom line is that LFL simply had a different vision, and it is their property. Now, why they didn’t realize that their visions didn’t align is a different matter. I guess they were just mistaken. LFL for the most part has been very hands off with the directors (Edwards being the only iffy one but I tend to think that was a consensual collaboration that’s been sensationalized), and I think at the outset they wanted to be with Lord/Miller, and for the longest time they thought that’d work. But I think Lord/Miller assumed they had more leeway than they had, and when they started making on set improv changes that tonally and narratively affected the character and story itself flags went up. Ultimately, my presumption is that Kennedy could have lived with it, but it was Kasdan that took major issue. As the screenwriter, and as a major voice in 3/4 of Han Solo’s previous live action incarnations, Kasdan had a very specific idea of what he wanted this character and story to be, and when Lord/Miller found their take evolving on set, Kasdan used his power as a producer to ultimately out them. In my mind, that’s what makes sense. It’s unfortunate, but I get how it happened. Personally, I think firing Lord/Miller was a mistake, but what the fuck do I know? Basically nothing, none of us do.

Ultimately, oddly enough, I don’t think this really bodes too poorly for the final film. Ron Howard is nothing if not reliable (in fact, the only Oscar winner to direct a SW film). It is a shame, and I can’t say I’m as excited for it now as I was, but I still think it’ll be solid entertainment at the least (like Rogue One). At the end of the day, I do trust Kennedy. Why the fuck wouldn’t I? If you think we shouldn’t, check her credits again. She is almost undeniably one of the best film producers of all time. I think she knows what she’s doing.

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DominicCobb said:

Been gone for weeks and have no interest in reading what some of you guys have said about this whole kerfuffle (can only imagine it’s a lot of people who had no faith in the directors to begin with now all worked up that they aren’t involved - basically, people being negative for the sake of it).

It’s mostly Alderaan being Alderaan, people who didn’t care about the film in the first place, and people who actually like the decision.

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yhwx said:

DominicCobb said:

Been gone for weeks and have no interest in reading what some of you guys have said about this whole kerfuffle (can only imagine it’s a lot of people who had no faith in the directors to begin with now all worked up that they aren’t involved - basically, people being negative for the sake of it).

It’s mostly Alderaan being Alderaan, people who didn’t care about the film in the first place, and people who actually like the decision.

Seems about right. I just jumped back a couple pages and saw him complaining about something he clearly didn’t understand (camera set ups). Don’t need all that kind of random and unrepentant negativity in my life.

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Bob, that’s a lot of words to say:

“I love Kennedy”

“I love Disney”

“I love Star Wars”

Do you have any pictures of all these campaign stickers you wear all the time?

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Alderaan said:

yotsuya said:

Alderaan said:

Someone addressed it early in the thread, but I don’t think Disney is even capable of making a good Han Solo movie at a fundamental level. It’s not their brand.

I differ. I think Solo is the type of character they have had many iterations of. But also differ in my opinion that Disney is that much in control. I think Lucasfilm knows the characters, world, and stories and Disney is trusting them to work the same magic again. And they have some awesome talent as well as some people who were there when Lucas crafted our beloved OT.

There was that scene with the rathtars and the smugglers confronting Han in TFA. The tone of that scene was much more like the scenes with pirate bad guys in POTC movies. It was not anything like the Star Wars OT.

As for Han’s character, he got softer as the SW movies went on. You can make the argument that the portrayal of Han’s character in TFA wasn’t that far off given that point in his life. And that kind of falls into the Disney sweet spot as far as the tone and style of films that make up their brand.

I’m not sure they can go back to the beginning and produce a credible portrayal of young Han though, given the kind of movies they put out. Disney has made some great movies in the past but they have also “Disneyfied” movies that are out of their natural range of material, and the result is always or almost always very poor.

I can’t argue with you about 1977’s Star Wars, but that scene with the two gangs and the Rathtars was right out of TESB and ROTJ. Sounds like you expect to see that original cockky 1977 Han Solo. If this movie was set in the time of Rebels or Rogue One, that might be something to expect, but my understanding is that it is set earlier than that. Just by the age of the actors, it should be about 10 years before that first film. Plenty of time to have him get so jaded and sour. If this one does well, they can do another one to show how he got that way, but I wouldn’t expect that version of Han Solo.

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Alderaan said:

Bob, that’s a lot of words to say:

“I love Kennedy”

“I love Disney”

“I love Star Wars”

Do you have any pictures of all these campaign stickers you wear all the time?

I would gladly wear all of these. But then, I’ve always loved Disney and I’ve loved Star Wars since 77. And I’ve loved just about every film Kennedy has been producer or executive producer on. And I’ll let you know if I see any Disneyfication of Star Wars. So far there hasn’t been. Rebels is as creative and intricate as Clone Wars. TFA was an typical Abrams outing that visited the Star Wars universe, and Rogue One was the Star Wars version of a WWII mission movie like the Dirty Dozen. I personally loved it because they managed to capture the feeling of the original (though there are two instances of rather unrealistic cameos that, while nice, are a bit hard to fit with the timeline). So as far as I can see, Disney has yet to interfere or in any way Disneyfy Star Wars. It will be interesting to see how the next 4 movies play out.

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baron_lando said:

WE GOT IT.

And yet he never will.

Jay should make him a Disney subforum (similar to frevious’ doomsday thread) where he can complain to his heart’s content and the rest of us would be rid of him.

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yotsuya said:

Alderaan said:

Bob, that’s a lot of words to say:

“I love Kennedy”

“I love Disney”

“I love Star Wars”

Do you have any pictures of all these campaign stickers you wear all the time?

I would gladly wear all of these. But then, I’ve always loved Disney and I’ve loved Star Wars since 77. And I’ve loved just about every film Kennedy has been producer or executive producer on. And I’ll let you know if I see any Disneyfication of Star Wars. So far there hasn’t been. Rebels is as creative and intricate as Clone Wars. TFA was an typical Abrams outing that visited the Star Wars universe, and Rogue One was the Star Wars version of a WWII mission movie like the Dirty Dozen. I personally loved it because they managed to capture the feeling of the original (though there are two instances of rather unrealistic cameos that, while nice, are a bit hard to fit with the timeline). So as far as I can see, Disney has yet to interfere or in any way Disneyfy Star Wars. It will be interesting to see how the next 4 movies play out.

Stop being sensible, you’re confusing me. 😉

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There was that scene with the rathtars and the smugglers confronting Han in TFA.

Perhaps the worst scene/series of scenes in TFA.

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BigMcLargeHuge said:

There was that scene with the rathtars and the smugglers confronting Han in TFA.

Perhaps the worst scene/series of scenes in TFA.

Agreed. One of the worst scenes in any Star Wars movie.

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Alderaan said:

BigMcLargeHuge said:

There was that scene with the rathtars and the smugglers confronting Han in TFA.

Perhaps the worst scene/series of scenes in TFA.

Agreed. One of the worst scenes in any Star Wars movie.

I mean I don’t like the scene either but I’d rather watch it then watch anakin talk about sand

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Possessed said:

Alderaan said:

BigMcLargeHuge said:

There was that scene with the rathtars and the smugglers confronting Han in TFA.

Perhaps the worst scene/series of scenes in TFA.

Agreed. One of the worst scenes in any Star Wars movie.

I mean I don’t like the scene either but I’d rather watch it then watch anakin talk about sand

It can’t be that bad because it’s not Disney’s fault.

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Alderaan said:

BigMcLargeHuge said:

There was that scene with the rathtars and the smugglers confronting Han in TFA.

Perhaps the worst scene/series of scenes in TFA.

Agreed. One of the worst scenes in any Star Wars movie.




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Oh man, I’ve been in such a good Star Wars mood the last few months that I was actually softening a little in my heart on my stance against the prequels. I was even vaguely considering watching them again at some point, maybe as part of my pre-TLJ marathon. Then you had to go and post pictures of the things I had completely forgotten. (Seriously, I totally forgot everything about that awful droid factory scene).

Thank you for saving me from myself.

And prequels, I have a song dedicated just to you…

https://youtu.be/OqeKV2UYq1Q

Never again, prequels. Never again.

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canofhumdingers said:

Oh man, I’ve been in such a good Star Wars mood the last few months that I was actually softening a little in my heart on my stance against the prequels. I was even vaguely considering watching them again at some point, maybe as part of my pre-TLJ marathon. Then you had to go and post pictures of the things I had completely forgotten. (Seriously, I totally forgot everything about that awful droid factory scene).

Thank you for saving me from myself.

And prequels, I have a song dedicated just to you…

https://youtu.be/OqeKV2UYq1Q

Never again, prequels. Never again.

Live to serve. 😉

And I can’t believe I’ve never seen the video for that song. It’s the perfect mix of random fever dream visuals that barely relate to the song. Guys on motorcycles, flamethrowers, Killdozer, and it’s even got a little person! Thanks for posting that.

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