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(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
Nope, I was right.
When Did The Star Wars Prequels Become Cool? — Page 4
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While I know you’re joking, your opinion that it’s objective is influenced by your own personal feelings, so…
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I’m not joking. Everyone has the right to enjoy the PT for whatever reason they like but they are poorly made movies, full stop.
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The PT movies were OK but definitely not great. And I think most of the different perceptions have more to do with how movies will always tend to reflect the trends/attitudes of the times they were made in. But personally, even after multiple rewatchings, the real lack in PT is the light to dark conversion that creates Darth Vader. The PT is really lacking in any substance when it comes to that part of the story. And the conversion is really at the heart of the PT, everything else is just good guys vs. bad guys with pretty good action and film work. Even after all these years, I still can’t answer the question of why he went to the Dark Side, even though he was never really shown to be strongly on the Light Side either.
For me, the whining teen in the PT isn’t really the same person as the redeemed epitome of evil seen in the OT.
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These junk articles are just Disney spin. They have a lot more tentacles in the movie business than Lucasfilm ever did, and usually the writers are getting something in return. Even if it’s just access.
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DonShockley said:
The PT is really lacking in any substance when it comes to that part of the story. And the conversion is really at the heart of the PT
It’s a pretty fatal flaw when it’s supposedly why they exist in the first place
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I actually enjoy the PT in so much that I enjoy any non-EU Star Wars materials. The fatal flaws of the PT can never be glossed over. To me, it boils down to 2 points:
Hayden makes the Anakin character wholly unlikeable and portrays him as creepy. You never feel anything over his fall from grace bc you don’t care for him at any point. You can blame George’s dialogue all you want but good actors like Ford/Fisher took some cringe worthy stuff and made it work because of their portrayals of the characters.
AOTC is totally and utterly confusing. George put in plot threads that were never resolved or were leftover from other versions of the script. If George would ever have any humility over the film, I would actually like to see him try a new directors cut of this film that films new scenes, uses alternate takes, updates the CGI and restructures the film in a non-confusing manner. Ask Kathleen Kennedy or any of his other friends for help in fixing this mess.
I don’t mind Jar Jar Binks any more (that doesn’t make him good) and ROTS on the whole is a good watch (despite the slow middle). The battle droids are less annoying bc of Clone Wars. In fact, Clone Wars has changed my opinion on a lot of the characters of the PT.
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I actually enjoy the PT in so much that I enjoy any non-EU Star Wars materials. The fatal flaws of the PT can never be glossed over. To me, it boils down to 2 points:
Hayden makes the Anakin character wholly unlikeable and portrays him as creepy. You never feel anything over his fall from grace bc you don’t care for him at any point. You can blame George’s dialogue all you want but good actors like Ford/Fisher took some cringe worthy stuff and made it work because of their portrayals of the characters.
AOTC is totally and utterly confusing. George put in plot threads that were never resolved or were leftover from other versions of the script. If George would ever have any humility over the film, I would actually like to see him try a new directors cut of this film that films new scenes, uses alternate takes, updates the CGI and restructures the film in a non-confusing manner. Ask Kathleen Kennedy or any of his other friends for help in fixing this mess.
I don’t mind Jar Jar Binks any more (that doesn’t make him good) and ROTS on the whole is a good watch (despite the slow middle). The battle droids are less annoying bc of Clone Wars. In fact, Clone Wars has changed my opinion on a lot of the characters of the PT.
I’m on a very similar page. I think GL was too subtle. If you catch what he did, the fall to the dark side is both inevitable and believable, but you can’t be so subtle in films. You have to hit the audience over the head. The writer’s adage of show don’t tell is one GL should have used more of in the PT. He needed to show us that Palpatine has been poisoning Anakin since TPM and that he literally took control over him to make him invade the Jedi temple. Instead he throws in a couple of lines telling us little points that add up to that with some sound effects, but it isn’t obvious unless you watch the movie a lot (a hazard of trying to color correct it). There is a lot I didn’t notice until I’d watched it more than 20 times. It increases my enjoyment of the PT now that I see it, but it isn’t good movie making.
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That’s not being subtle, it’s being lazy.
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That’s not being subtle, it’s being lazy.
This.
He wanted to tell the stories but didn’t want to make the movies. No one else would do it for him.
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That’s not being subtle, it’s being lazy.
I beg to differ. The things I’ve noticed are very subtle and not the sort of thing you want to rest a major plot point on. The points are too subtle and too few and most people don’t even notice them. And a lot of people don’t even try once they decide the PT are utter trash. How many OT members have seen the PT none or once and yet have very strong opinions of it? Many have seen it many times and some have even grown up with them and have completely different opinions. I am not saying that the subtle nature of some of these plot points saves the movies in any way. They are greatly flawed. But seeing past the flaws to the story GL was telling makes them worth watching, at least to me. I love the entire Palpatine story arc. His playing both sides against each other so that only he comes out the winner. His mentoring of Anakin that instills in the young Jedi a sense that Palpatine is on the right side. The sound effect added to his voice while he is talking to Anakin after Mace dies. The lie at the end that Anakin killed Padme. It is an incredible story, but GL botched it by making it too hard to see. And there isn’t enough material there to enhance it or bring it out, even in a fan edit. He did well in planning the story, but failed miserably translating it to film. And AOTC is his biggest failure. In the film he failed with the Palpatine arc, failed with the Obi-wan/Anakin relationship, and failed with the Anakin/Padme relationship. None of which was the fault of the actors - all of it is GL’s fault as writer, director, and producer. His scripts needed the help of a seasoned screen writer or script doctor. Kasdan and Carrie Fisher each doing a pass at them could have improved them drastically and might have resulted in something incredible. Instead we are left with a trilogy that is far less than fans wanted. All because GL was being subtle and didn’t seek the same sort of help that made the OT great. I think the original film is as great as it is because Coppola, De Palma, and Speilberg all had input. Empire because of Brackett, Kasdan, and Kershner, Jedi because of Kasdan and Marquand. While Jonathan Hales, the only other person given any credit and only on AOTC, obviously didn’t help. His sole project of note is story credit on The Scorpion King - possibly even problem filled plot wise than AOTC, so definitely not a good choice.
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Hardcore Legend said:
AOTC is totally and utterly confusing. George put in plot threads that were never resolved or were leftover from other versions of the script. If George would ever have any humility over the film, I would actually like to see him try a new directors cut of this film that films new scenes, uses alternate takes, updates the CGI and restructures the film in a non-confusing manner. Ask Kathleen Kennedy or any of his other friends for help in fixing this mess.
When I see the stunning result achieved through fanediting, I’m pretty sure that an “official fixing” of this movie could very well be a good entry. But Lucas only made it a little bit worse on bluray… I used to hate the new canon about the clone wars delievered with AOTC (which wasn’t what I was expected at all) but 15 years later I’m at peace with that (and the initial ideas about that can still be used as a “prequel prequel trilogy” 😃). But this is wishful thinking…
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That’s not being subtle, it’s being lazy.
I beg to differ. The things I’ve noticed are very subtle and not the sort of thing you want to rest a major plot point on. The points are too subtle and too few and most people don’t even notice them. And a lot of people don’t even try once they decide the PT are utter trash. How many OT members have seen the PT none or once and yet have very strong opinions of it? Many have seen it many times and some have even grown up with them and have completely different opinions.
I grew up on prequels and, no, they’re not subtle at all. For example, Anakin is virgin-birth-space-Jesus, but this Jesus also murders kids later so even the least subtle of images is fundamentally broken.
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You read farther than me, I stopped at “I beg to differ” because I’ve heard it all before and I consider it all nonsense.
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Hardcore Legend said:
AOTC is totally and utterly confusing. George put in plot threads that were never resolved or were leftover from other versions of the script. If George would ever have any humility over the film, I would actually like to see him try a new directors cut of this film that films new scenes, uses alternate takes, updates the CGI and restructures the film in a non-confusing manner. Ask Kathleen Kennedy or any of his other friends for help in fixing this mess.When I see the stunning result achieved through fanediting
Not possible. You can take a 1/10 movie and make it a 4/10, you can’t make it a 9/10.
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Prequel Trilogy can’t be cool. No scenes are set in icy or cold climates. But The Empire Strikes Back, The Force Awakens, and possibly Rogue One are the only cool STAR WARS movies. Cause the others are Hot, Wet, Mucky, and yeah.
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That’s the joke.
None of the Star Wars movies are worth owning anyway.
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I am wondering… Why are you here?
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Hardcore Legend said:
AOTC is totally and utterly confusing. George put in plot threads that were never resolved or were leftover from other versions of the script. If George would ever have any humility over the film, I would actually like to see him try a new directors cut of this film that films new scenes, uses alternate takes, updates the CGI and restructures the film in a non-confusing manner. Ask Kathleen Kennedy or any of his other friends for help in fixing this mess.When I see the stunning result achieved through fanediting
Not possible. You can take a 1/10 movie and make it a 4/10, you can’t make it a 9/10.
They were disappointing to be sure but 1/10 is a but extreme. I haven’t seen the other two in a few years but I watched octoroxs phantom menace the other night and while it wasn’t 9/10 I’d give it a 7/10 definitely was worth watching and I enjoyed it.
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AOTC is maybe a 2/10. ROTS is maybe a 4/10. TPM is maybe a 5/10.
At best.
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That’s the joke.
But jokes are supposed to be funny.
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I am wondering… Why are you here?
Because I give more of a shit about other movies I own on DVD/BD/UHD compared to Star Wars. Fucking hell, I import too.
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I am wondering… Why are you here?
Because I give more of a shit about other movies I own on DVD/BD/UHD compared to Star Wars. Fucking hell, I import too.
That doesn’t explain at all why you’re here.
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I am wondering… Why are you here?
Because I give more of a shit about other movies I own on DVD/BD/UHD compared to Star Wars. Fucking hell, I import too.
That’s the joke.
But jokes are supposed to be funny.
Mine usually never are. Owning Star Wars on Disc or Digital is a joke. Owning only the movie tickets for the current movies is cakewalk.
Let’s face it, THE CLONE WARS CGI TV series managed to accomplish something Episodes II & III could never do. Made you care about Anakin. Oh yeah, because the actor received far better direction. Blame Lucas on not wanting to give proper direction to Hayden Christiansen. Glad the actor decided to work on his own farm instead of letting the fans who take Star Wars far too literally.
That’s the fucking joke.
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I thought this was a Star Wars site but by the look of a lot the new users here it doesn’t seem like that anymore.
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I am wondering… Why are you here?
Because I give more of a shit about other movies I own on DVD/BD/UHD compared to Star Wars. Fucking hell, I import too.
That doesn’t explain at all why you’re here.
Preservations/Fan Edits of other movies & TV shows > STAR WARS.
Is it mandatory I have to blindly love Star Wars and spend all my extra money on it to be a full proper member on this forum? No. I grew up with Star Wars in the 1980’s and I’m done with owning anything with it.
Many of the members on this forum takes this shit far too seriously. Live a little.