Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers ** — Page 35

Rogue Trooper said:

I enjoy reading Alderaan’s posts; he says what he thinks and he speaks from the heart.

I take it you don’t come here on Tuesdays.

Even before I heard about the directors being replaced, there was absolutely nothing that could make me interested in seeing a Han Solo prequel. Now, I’m even less interested.

SilverWook said:

I suspect all the disinterested parties will watch the trailers anyway. 😉

Maybe out of curiosity. I watched the trailer for Transformers 5, but I still didn’t see it.

I’m not trying to sound cool or anything, just being honest. I saw TFA and Rogue One, and I thought they were okay: not great, but not terrible. I genuinely can’t imagine anything that could make me want to go see a Han Solo prequel.

Haarspalter said:

SilverWook said:

I suspect all the disinterested parties will watch the trailers anyway. 😉

I will try to avoid this movie as hard as i can. I can’t allow that my fond memories of Han Solo will be “enhanced” with this unnecessary prequel movie.

How about making all new fond memories?

I will never understand the attitude that a new movie can ruin an older movie. I will see this once, and if it sucks, I’ll never see it again, and it won’t affect my opinion of the OT or TFA one bit.

YodaFan67 said:

I don’t think a new movie with different actors, directors, and sets, could ruin something else for me. It’s easy enough to separate the two in my mind. But that’s just me.

Exactly my position.

I’ll go even farther than that…I liked Harrison Ford in TFA. But if I didn’t, I could still easily separate that performance from his OT performance.

TV’s Frink said:

I will never understand the attitude that a new movie can ruin an older movie. I will see this once, and if it sucks, I’ll never see it again, and it won’t affect my opinion of the OT or TFA one bit.

Frink, is there a post someplace on this site where you “defend” TFA? I’d genuinely love to read that. Because whereas I enjoyed TFA, I didn’t and don’t need it. And it is only kinda half in my head-canon for what “counts” at the end of the day. The Last Jedi is going to bump it either all the way in or all the way out. I refuse to see any of these Anthology things going forward. RO was a piece of garbage.

I’m not even sure what to do with that post.

TV’s Frink said:

I’m not even sure what to do with that post.

What? I noticed you liked and have gone to the mat multiple times on here for TFA while also being a pretty hardcore OT guy. That’s interesting to me and I wondered if you spelled out why oh why you liked TFA so much. I…didn’t?

There’s lots of people here (I think) who are die hard OOT fans but still really like or even love TFA and R1. I’m one of them.

As for the Han movie, I’ll treat it just like I did those two: hopeful, but with very little real expectation. I’ll judge it when I actually watch it. But, just like the previous two, the official trailers may increase or decrease my pre-screening excitement.

BigMcLargeHuge said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’m not even sure what to do with that post.

What? I noticed you liked and have gone to the mat multiple times on here for TFA while also being a pretty hardcore OT guy. That’s interesting to me and I wondered if you spelled out why oh why you liked TFA so much. I…didn’t?

You said RO is a piece of garbage so it felt like you were trolling.

I don’t think I could point to a single post where I spell out why I like TFA. You could probably find my posts along those lines as easily as I could.

The thing about Han is that he’s a smuggler. A scoundrel. He’s not a savory character in Star Wars. He’s a mercenary, but somewhere deep down he’s not all that bad. But you have to really get deep down, and that’s what a good climax in a movie does. It takes something really big and meaningful to bring that out in Han’s character, and it’s saved for the end of the movie.

The question has to be asked what kind of Han movie does Disney want to make?

The smuggling world…does anyone really think Disney can pull that off? Is it going to be credible in the same style and tone as Star Wars? Or is it going to feel like the pirates in the POTC movies? What about bro humor and buddy movies? Or the Jabba SE scene? Or the goofball smugglers that reminded me of the Hook kids all grown up?

I don’t think any of these things are Han Solo.

Someone addressed it early in the thread, but I don’t think Disney is even capable of making a good Han Solo movie at a fundamental level. It’s not their brand.

Honest question:. Is it even possible to portray Han Solo in a way that matches up the way he is described in OT with the way he actually is in the OT. This is just off the top of my head right now but it seems like he is described as being a scoundrel way more than we ever actually see him being a scoundrel. In fact almost all of his actions seem to be a pretty normal stand-up guy.

Alderaan said:

Someone addressed it early in the thread, but I don’t think Disney is even capable of making a good Han Solo movie at a fundamental level. It’s not their brand.

This movie may indeed suck but that makes zero sense.

Don’t want to know how Lando lost the Falcon to Solo… my, not very curious about the EU there. I’m afraid I’ve been reading Han Solo stories since before there was a second movie. For me there was Star Wars, Splinter of the Mind’s Eye, the infamous Holiday Special, Han Solo at Star’s End and Han Solo’s Revenge, and then Empire, followed by Han Solo and the Lost Legacy before finally Jedi. In recent years I found L. Neil Smith’s Lando trilogy and A.C. Crispin’s origin trilogy for Han. Daley and Crispin were excellent writers and nailed him. Smith… I’ll be nice and not say much except worth the read. From what I hear, they are changing the story a bit from that, but not straying too far.

In the original film, Solo had to appear hard and totally jaded so when he takes off, we don’t expect to see him again. But his coming back as well as a lot of his scenes in that movie really erode that badass image that he gives in the cantina. I think that may be one reason a lot of people don’t like the Jabba scene - it is more the Han Solo from Empire - post returning to save Luke - than he is the one who bragged about the Kessel run. But at the same time he is just as brave and cocky as ever.

I’m on the fence about the movie. I’ll have to see it to make up my mind, but I’m hoping we get a very Crispin influenced story with performances that manage to capture something of Ford’s four performances as Han Solo, but show us him younger and less jaded.

Alderaan said:

Someone addressed it early in the thread, but I don’t think Disney is even capable of making a good Han Solo movie at a fundamental level. It’s not their brand.

I differ. I think Solo is the type of character they have had many iterations of. But also differ in my opinion that Disney is that much in control. I think Lucasfilm knows the characters, world, and stories and Disney is trusting them to work the same magic again. And they have some awesome talent as well as some people who were there when Lucas crafted our beloved OT.

dahmage said:

Honest question:. Is it even possible to portray Han Solo in a way that matches up the way he is described in OT with the way he actually is in the OT. This is just off the top of my head right now but it seems like he is described as being a scoundrel way more than we ever actually see him being a scoundrel. In fact almost all of his actions seem to be a pretty normal stand-up guy.

He kills an alien and tips the bartender like it’s an every day part of his job. In the OOT, not the SE, it seems as though a crime lord wants to kill him over a debt. He’s a smuggler engaged in doing illegal things, although they aren’t shown, because they aren’t important to the plot (the Greedo scene is enough to get the point across). He scams Luke and Ben on the price of their trip. He starts out as an unsavory character.

But hey, he’s useful.

As the story progresses, he begins to develop a friendship with Luke. That starts his transformation into hero. But he still belittles nearly everyone and everything else. The Jedi, The Force, Leia and Obi-Wan. He threatens the droids with dismemberment, even if he’s half-kidding.

Later in the movie, there is more transformation. He’s a mercenary, and he only volunteers to help rescue the princess when he learns about the reward. When he receives the award, he bails out on the Rebellion, tells them they’re crazy and suicidal, but he does wish Luke good luck and says “May the Force be with you”. It’s not much, but he didn’t have to do it.

At the end of course he comes back and saves the day. Deep down, when his new friends were all about to die, he wouldn’t let it happen. The audience had to wade through a lot of scruff and insults and thickness, but deep down, Han was a good friend with a good heart after all.

yotsuya said:

Alderaan said:

Someone addressed it early in the thread, but I don’t think Disney is even capable of making a good Han Solo movie at a fundamental level. It’s not their brand.

I differ. I think Solo is the type of character they have had many iterations of. But also differ in my opinion that Disney is that much in control. I think Lucasfilm knows the characters, world, and stories and Disney is trusting them to work the same magic again. And they have some awesome talent as well as some people who were there when Lucas crafted our beloved OT.

There was that scene with the rathtars and the smugglers confronting Han in TFA. The tone of that scene was much more like the scenes with pirate bad guys in POTC movies. It was not anything like the Star Wars OT.

As for Han’s character, he got softer as the SW movies went on. You can make the argument that the portrayal of Han’s character in TFA wasn’t that far off given that point in his life. And that kind of falls into the Disney sweet spot as far as the tone and style of films that make up their brand.

I’m not sure they can go back to the beginning and produce a credible portrayal of young Han though, given the kind of movies they put out. Disney has made some great movies in the past but they have also “Disneyfied” movies that are out of their natural range of material, and the result is always or almost always very poor.