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i think this should work... let me know.
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Help me Obi-Won Kenobi, you're my only hope.
Hi all, Need help with editing VOB file
Help me Obi-Won Kenobi, you're my only hope.
i think this should work... let me know.
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have you tried demuxing a couple of segments and then using an mpeg2 clip joining util? That might work.
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However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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I think DVD-Shrink only works on keyframes as well, but other than that, it's very easy to use, and free. Any free MPEG splitter/joiner can join the new VOB to the old VOBs.
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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You're right. Fortunately key frames tend to be pretty close together on the MPEG-2 streams in VOB containers.
Any free MPEG splitter/joiner can join the new VOB to the old VOBs.
Do you have an example of a good one that is free? I know that DVD2one works perfectly for joining VOB's. Come to think of it, the small, free general purpose utility called "FileMerger" can join VOB's, but it doesn't write out a corresponding IFO file of course; it is useful for joining multiple VOB's to be directly edited in VDubMod before making an AVI. That's what I like about DVD2one; it doesn't simply join VOB's, it writes out a new set of VOB's along with writing out a corresponding IFO file (the new information in the IFO's is what is really responsible for joining the files, as the resultant VOB's are still split into 1 GB chunks) and it is a ready to go DVD when it is done.
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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I could do it perfectly if I wanted to re-encode; which I don't. Can you explain how to do it without any re-encoding?
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Well, as I said, it's not terribly accurate. My overall solution is rather different from what you would do: I'm making my own version.
Well, as I said, it's not terribly accurate. My overall solution is rather different from what you would do: I'm making my own version.
So you don't know of any way to do it other than re-encoding it? How did Rowman do it? Did he just get it "close enough" or right on the money? and did he re-encode or make a bit-for-bit copy minus the 4 seconds of black screen? When I made my initial post on this thread, I hadn't acquired the TR47 copy yet and I wasn't even sure how the actual scene was supposed to look exactly. I just figured "remove 4 seconds of black screen; DVD Shrink can do that" but the way it worked out with the key frame spacing; it didn't line up perfectly with the start and end frames of that black space.
Like I said, I did make an edited version that only has about a half-second of black screen there with no re-encoding involved (I decided that was better than losing a few picture frames from both sides of the 4 second gap), and it is far better than 4 seconds of black screen; but I don't like "good enough" unless it is my only [realistic] option.
Edit: Can key frames be added without re-encoding? If I could do that, then I could make the start and end frames of the 4 second black space, key frames, and then proceed as normal with DVD Shrink.
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"Can key frames be added without re-encoding?"
No, because the I frame is part of the coding. MPEG is a forward-encoding process, where the state of each frame is dependant on the frame(s) prior to it. This is why fast-reverse was such a pain in the butt on 1st generation DVD players. LD, on the other hand, excels at this, as each frame is independant.
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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I ran it through DVD Lab to turn it back into a DVD and readd all the chapters where they are supposed to be. I let DVD Lab demux the VOB and then when adding them to the movie title; DVD Lab didn't like the raw LPCM audio stream. It said that it had no header and wanted to convert it to a WAV. I allowed it to do that and made the DVD. It was great except for one thing. The audio got slightly out of sync during the scene where Han first sees Lando at the cloud city.
WTF? Do you think the conversion to WAV had anything to do with that or is DVD Lab simply a piss-poor muxer? Like I said, the MPG file that was saved from "VideoReDo" after I cropped out the 4 seconds of black screen is perfect and is a bit for bit copy minus the black screen. It matches up exactly with how that scene appears on the 2004 DVD; i.e. the close shot of C3PO and then the next frame with Leia welding; no black frames and no loss of frames that are supposed to be there; and perfect audio sync throughout.
Any other DVD authoring software I should try (one that can turn DVD compliant video and audio into a DVD [VOB's + IFO's] without re-encoding like DVD Lab can)?
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My only guess would be that there was an error in the audio file there, or an error in the extraction (did you try it more than once?). You might want to run the VOB through VOBrator, extract the audio as a WAV, and load the WAV into DVDLab Pro.
"(one that can turn DVD compliant video and audio into a DVD [VOB's + IFO's] without re-encoding like DVD Lab can)? "
Don't knock DVDLab Pro for this. I, for one, love the compliance checking. Keep in mind that you can for DVDLab Pro to *not* demux the files. You might want to try this, or even have DVDLab join the VOBs for you.
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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I'm assuming the original VOB did not go out of sync at the same point? Is it out of sync for the rest of the film? That's correct. The process was like this:
1. DVD Lab to join the original VOBs from the TR47 DVD into one VOB named DVD Lab's default name when doing this, "join.VOB".
2. VideoReDo (hokey non-resizable GUI and I'd never heard of it but it did what it claimed it could do) to open "join.VOB" and accurately delete the 4 seconds of black screen and save results without re-encoding. It saved with the MPG extension so the file name is now "joined minus black screen.mpg". Playback of this file showed it to be exactly what I wanted. The cut edit was perfect and the audio was still in perfect sync throughout the entire movie.
3. DVD Lab to recreate the DVD from the 4.33 GB "joined minus black screen.mpg" file without re-encoding. I did try it without demuxing which was against DVD Lab's popup warnings and when I went to complile the DVD it sat there saying it was "checking streams" or something like that, for a couple of minutes and then it claimed it was "done". Well it obviously wasn't "done" because 2 minutes isn't even long enough to simply copy a 4.33 GB file from one location to another on my machine. When I checked the destination folder, all it had done was create empty VIDEO_TS and AUDIO T_TS folders along with a 0 byte VOB file in its temp directory. So, I loaded "joined minus black screen.mpg" again and let it do everything it was recommending, i.e. demux into elementary streams and also convert the LPCM audio to WAV. I added the chapters and compiled the DVD which consisted of muxing and setting navigation parameters. The finished DVD was in sync for the most part. In the first Lando and Han scene it went out of sync and then back in sync several minutes later. It may have gone in and out of sync more than just there but I didn't sit down and watch the whole thing; I simply scanned through it.
Don't knock DVDLab Pro for this. I, for one, love the compliance checking. Keep in mind that you can for DVDLab Pro to *not* demux the files. You might want to try this, or even have DVDLab join the VOBs for you.
I'm not knocking DVD Lab for that; in fact, its ability to create a DVD from DVD compliant files without re-encoding is why I used it in the first place. I am beginning to question the accuracy of its muxing/demuxing abilities however. 1. DVD Lab to join the original VOBs from the TR47 DVD into one VOB named DVD Lab's default name when doing this, "join.VOB".
2. VideoReDo (hokey non-resizable GUI and I'd never heard of it but it did what it claimed it could do) to open "join.VOB" and accurately delete the 4 seconds of black screen and save results without re-encoding. It saved with the MPG extension so the file name is now "joined minus black screen.mpg". Playback of this file showed it to be exactly what I wanted. The cut edit was perfect and the audio was still in perfect sync throughout the entire movie.
3. DVD Lab to recreate the DVD from the 4.33 GB "joined minus black screen.mpg" file without re-encoding. I did try it without demuxing which was against DVD Lab's popup warnings and when I went to complile the DVD it sat there saying it was "checking streams" or something like that, for a couple of minutes and then it claimed it was "done". Well it obviously wasn't "done" because 2 minutes isn't even long enough to simply copy a 4.33 GB file from one location to another on my machine. When I checked the destination folder, all it had done was create empty VIDEO_TS and AUDIO T_TS folders along with a 0 byte VOB file in its temp directory. So, I loaded "joined minus black screen.mpg" again and let it do everything it was recommending, i.e. demux into elementary streams and also convert the LPCM audio to WAV. I added the chapters and compiled the DVD which consisted of muxing and setting navigation parameters. The finished DVD was in sync for the most part. In the first Lando and Han scene it went out of sync and then back in sync several minutes later. It may have gone in and out of sync more than just there but I didn't sit down and watch the whole thing; I simply scanned through it.
My only guess would be that there was an error in the audio file there, or an error in the extraction (did you try it more than once?). You might want to run the VOB through VOBrator, extract the audio as a WAV, and load the WAV into DVDLab Pro.
I only demuxed the "joined minus black screen.mpg" file once. I have never used VOBrator, but I could also demux to a WAV with VDubMod or I could run this original LPCM file through BeSweet to get a WAV. That will help pinpoint the problem I guess. Don't knock DVDLab Pro for this. I, for one, love the compliance checking. Keep in mind that you can for DVDLab Pro to *not* demux the files. You might want to try this, or even have DVDLab join the VOBs for you.
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Edit: As it turned out, this played fine in PowerDVD but it wouldn't open in any transcoders (always failed when it tried to open the edited VOB) so I kicked it to the curb.