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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion — Page 6

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"thanks to Masta Windu's purple power-stick?"

LOL

"I already have MF's versions (which are canon, as far as I'm concerned)."

He'd be happy to hear that.

"Please fix these issues by removing the orange scorch marks and making Dooku's stumps red instead of black."

Would you like to have the non-cauterized blood removed from ANH as well?

"I think it was an error"

I think it was an effect.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Overdub all droids and aliens including Grievious and the doctor droids at the end. The whole idea of her losing the will to live is stupid. Also, the whole exchange between Padme and Anakin on her beuty can be cut too, completely unneccessary, just drop the whole thing. I think also dropping the dreams would be good too, I'm trying to remember if in Episode II they showed dreams and I don't think they did. And of course the Vader scream needs changed.
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What if you cutted the "noooo" scream all along and just left it with musical soundtrack? Would it work?
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Off topic, but did anyone else get freaked out when Padme was making the whole "having the children on Naboo" speech, and when she turned to the camera, her hair was sticking up and her eyes were bugging out? Gave me a creepy Diana Ross vibe. 8|
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
What if you cutted the "noooo" scream all along and just left it with musical soundtrack? Would it work?

That would look dumb... Either cut the scream, or dub over it, but don't just have him standing their shaking his arms with no sounds except music.

think also dropping the dreams would be good too, I'm trying to remember if in Episode II they showed dreams and I don't think they did.


That's a good idea actually. Just have him wake up and talk about the dreams... Maybe a black screen with creepy music and then like a flash of light and then show when Anakin bolted up? Because the dreams are one of those things that wasn't dumb, but if edited right they could be improved.
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I would rather have dream sequences edited back into Episode 2 than the dreams removed from Episode III.

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
I would rather have dream sequences edited back into Episode 2 than the dreams removed from Episode III.


That's an idea too. But that would probably be much harder to do...
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Originally posted by: oojason
Hi Magnolia

Will there be a hint (or more) that Palpatine had a hand in the conception of Anakin in your Edit, m8?

It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, with the immaculate conception not being in Balance of the Force. Anakin was just an exceptional kid with amazing powers.
The conversation with Palpatine in FotR puts more emphasis on saving the lives of loved ones and less on creating life and manipulating midichlorians (which are not in FotR at all).

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Someone asked if anyone was doing an edits. I plan on doing an EXTENDED Edit when the deleted scenes are released. Hopfully a majority of the film that was cut is included, and not just the 5 or 6 scenes that was said by Rick. If you read the script, alot was removed, alot of good subplots were removed (ObiWan accused of affair with Padme, the Rebel Alliance, the Wookies). So, I will try to bridge all of the deleted scenes back into the film for an extended version. And I will also do an edited version of the film that does not change the story, per se, but edits it alittle cleaner taking out awkward pacing and bad dialogue, similar to what I'm doing currently with TPM. Also, in that edit, other sound cues will be used in scenes that lack scores (ie Jabba's sail barge fight cue used on the bridge of GG ship).

So, that's what I'll do come November.
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There was a subplot with Obi-Wan and Padme being accused of an affair? I need to read the book or read the script or something... I feel like I'm missing out on a lot.
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Yes, remember when Anakin asks if Obi Wan had been there? The scene in which he actually went there was cut. Also, in the scene following that with Anakin, he originally sat in the same place Obi - Wan had and says "I sense something....fimiliar" which I thought was cool. During Jar Jar's scene, Palpatine questions Obi Wan's abilities on the mission in which he had wanted Anakin to go one and says that he has heard idle Senate gossip that Obi Wan has been involved in an affair with a young female senator. Her identity is unknown, but that the rumor is being spread. Later on, in the scene in which the Senators present the petition to the Chancellor, Palpatine says that Padme is hiding something, and that he doesn't think she can be trusted. Anakin continues to defend her, but the seed of doubt is continuely placed. Thus, when Anakin acts paranoid it rings true, and that is why he is tired of hiring about Obi Wan and feels betrayed.

Also, about a quarter of the ObiWan/Anakin fight was cut, Anakin using force powers similiar to ESB and some solid dialogue.
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Yep, there was a subplot where Padme and Obi-Wan had grown increasingly closer throughout the movie and Palpatine had convinced Anakin that they were falling for each other behind his back.
There was also tension between Padme and Anakin as she was very influencial in founding the rebellion against Palpatine.
As Anakin got more paranoid, he drove Padme further and further away from himself and toward Obi-Wan. Sort of a self fufilling prophecy, not unlike her death.
That's why Anakin flips out with the whole:
"Liar!" "You brought him here to kill me!" "You turned her against me!" "You will not take her from me!"
That whole series of scenes is something I really hope makes the dvd (and it probably will judging from EP II's dvd).

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It'd be sweet if it were and if you restored them I always felt that that subplot was going to be involved to drive Anakin away from Obi-wan.


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MagnoliaFan:

You mentioned some pretty extensive alterations with Qui-Gon in "Fall of the Republic ." Are you considering going back to "The Clone War" and changing some stuff with him there, at the very least replacing the horrible "No!"?
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I actually inserted a dream sequence into Ep II ... and I didn't know this was going to happen in Ep III. Now I only wish my dream sequence could match ... but whatever.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I actually inserted a dream sequence into Ep II ... and I didn't know this was going to happen in Ep III. Now I only wish my dream sequence could match ... but whatever.

You know, if you like yours better, you could always just change III's to match yours, as all the footage is from the birth sequence. But come to think of it...Padme and Obi-Wan have lines in the dream that don't actually happen in the film. Hmmm.
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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
Yep, there was a subplot where Padme and Obi-Wan had grown increasingly closer throughout the movie and Palpatine had convinced Anakin that they were falling for each other behind his back.
There was also tension between Padme and Anakin as she was very influencial in founding the rebellion against Palpatine.
As Anakin got more paranoid, he drove Padme further and further away from himself and toward Obi-Wan. Sort of a self fufilling prophecy, not unlike her death.
That's why Anakin flips out with the whole:
"Liar!" "You brought him here to kill me!" "You turned her against me!" "You will not take her from me!"
That whole series of scenes is something I really hope makes the dvd (and it probably will judging from EP II's dvd).


That makes the line "Obi-Wan was here, wasn't he?" make a lot more sense. I was a little confused why he would be so mad/worried about it, because at that point he's done nothing wrong. If that whole subplot can be put back into FotR, then it should be. That could add alot more emotion to the ending fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan, and help explain his turn to dark side even more. And Shaak Ti should be put back in. She's awesome, and I was dissapointed when she wasn't even in the movie.
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That's because they are in the script:
basically it goes something like this:
Padme: Help me Obi Wan
OW: Be Strong Padme, save you energy
Padme: I can't
OW: You must live, the twins, they need you
Padme: I'm too weak, There is still good in him, I know it, there is still....
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I think if either Shaak Ti scene goes on the dvd, it will be the OLD one, with Grievous killing her.
I've seen stills of him impaling her (though it was written to be a decapitation) with completed effects and Matt Wood has said that he's going in to record new Grievous dialogue for the dvd.
If they were to use the Anakin killing Shaak Ti scene, I would bet it would just be reincorporated into the film. It's too short and quick to be a deleted scene.

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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
I think if either Shaak Ti scene goes on the dvd, it will be the OLD one, with Grievous killing her.
I've seen stills of him impaling her (though it was written to be a decapitation) with completed effects and Matt Wood has said that he's going in to record new Grievous dialogue for the dvd.
If they were to use the Anakin killing Shaak Ti scene, I would bet it would just be reincorporated into the film. It's too short and quick to be a deleted scene.



I'd love a link to that image, as I write for a DVD website and we have an ongoing feature that shows the script that is missing when it has been confirmed to have been shot. Thus, that image would confirm it.
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
"will Dooku be revealed as a Sith Lord or is he still just a fallen Jedi who got suckered?"

Dooku was a Sith Lord, Darth Tyrannus.


Not necessarily...
In fact, late in the film, Obi-Wan may even mention that Dooku was right all along...


But I would assume that Obi-Wan would still believe that Dooku was fooled, much like Anakin. I mean, we don't want to comprimise Obi Wan's moral standing here.

You're edit is your own, but sitting here re-reading the script, alot of the dialogue between Obi Wan and Anakin is great at the beginning of the film. I would cut down the space between "Hold on, you're not helping anything" and then "You're right, bad idea". There is a weird space between the responses that kills the comedic timing. However, one line that is CLASSIC: Wait a minute, how'd this happen! We're smarter than this.


Actually I disagree. Most of the banter in the space battle is too much. I think a good idea would be to cut Anakin blasting Obi-Wan's ship, and instead cutting to the part where he swoops in and removes them with his wing, you know a "great pilot". There's some bad acting in that scene, mostly from Christensen.
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Originally posted by: Faid
Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
"will Dooku be revealed as a Sith Lord or is he still just a fallen Jedi who got suckered?"

Dooku was a Sith Lord, Darth Tyrannus.


Not necessarily...
In fact, late in the film, Obi-Wan may even mention that Dooku was right all along...


But I would assume that Obi-Wan would still believe that Dooku was fooled, much like Anakin. I mean, we don't want to comprimise Obi Wan's moral standing here.

You're edit is your own, but sitting here re-reading the script, alot of the dialogue between Obi Wan and Anakin is great at the beginning of the film. I would cut down the space between "Hold on, you're not helping anything" and then "You're right, bad idea". There is a weird space between the responses that kills the comedic timing. However, one line that is CLASSIC: Wait a minute, how'd this happen! We're smarter than this.


Actually I disagree. Most of the banter in the space battle is too much. I think a good idea would be to cut Anakin blasting Obi-Wan's ship, and instead cutting to the part where he swoops in and removes them with his wing, you know a "great pilot". There's some bad acting in that scene, mostly from Christensen.



Without the banter, Obi Wan and Anakin's relationship is more like QuiGon and Obi Wan and not a true friendship. Without the two actually liking each other, as shown in those scenes, then the betrayal is meaningless.

In fact, there is more of it that comes in before Anakin says 'lock on Artoo' that I wish was included. Not to mention the scenes in the hanger that were cut that would have been nice to have as well.
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Hey MagFan,if GL decides to include both Shaak Ti death scenes(I saw a photo somewhere that had Anakin about to slash through Ti,Man I wish I could remember where). Can you offer 2 versions of FotR? One with Grevious killing her and one with Anakin killing her? And are you going to go the Maul is Grevious route? BTW I've seen BotF and plan on watching CW soon(Thanks Rikter,and you MagFan for making them!)
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Originally posted by: DarthCarr
Hey MagFan,if GL decides to include both Shaak Ti death scenes(I saw a photo somewhere that had Anakin about to slash through Ti,Man I wish I could remember where). Can you offer 2 versions of FotR? One with Grevious killing her and one with Anakin killing her? And are you going to go the Maul is Grevious route? BTW I've seen BotF and plan on watching CW soon(Thanks Rikter,and you MagFan for making them!)


It'd be cool he if had an options menu where you could select which scene you want to see when you watch the movie.