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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion — Page 5

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I disagree. I don't think there has to be any jump in time at all.

Consider, we've never seen the Republic's naval officers or their uniforms, only the blue one's Anthony Daniels and Ahmed Best wore in the nightclub scene in AOTC. Chances are, once the Clone Wars broke out the Republic switched to something more militaristic.

Furthermore, it is implied that Dooku delivers the Death Star plans to Palpatine on Coruscant at the end of AOTC. I think Palpatine probably started ultrasecret work on it right away as a means to "combat the Seperatist threat", putting the ambitious Tarkin in charge, which would have given them three years to construct what we saw at the end of ROTS. I think it's completely plausible.

On the other hand, I agree with you totally, Greencapt, that TARKIN should have filled the place of either Mas Amedda or atleast Sly Moore's character. Because, ultimately, what did they add to the story, and why is Darth Vader taking orders from Tarkin in ANH? All of it could have been answered by showing Tarkin as Palpatine's most trusted aide and advisor all along. This is one of the major things that excited me about the possibility of Prequels back in the 80's. But, sadly, Tarkin's story never came to fruition. It's enough to make one weep, or wish for digital effects powerful and convincing enough to paint in Peter Cushing's likeness over the others'.

Just as a sidenote: Mas Amedda never made sense to me. It's quite clear in the OT that Palpatine's regime DID NOT include aliens or women. EVERYONE was Human. Why then, does he always have this alien by his side in the Prequels? And whatever happened to Mas Amedda in the OT, and Sly Moore (a female alien) for that matter?

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I also belive that Tarkin should have more scenes - heck, I think there should be at least 15 more minutes of film after Vader gets his suit. But I don't think the scene should be cut at all... Just switched places, so it ends the film in a powerful, dark way, mimicking the ESB ending...
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I was thinking this too, Ric. And perhaps a change of music would be in order too. Something more foreboding, or horror-movie style music. Like we just witnessed the most horrible thing that ever happened in the galaxy, which we had.

Though I like the end music's rehash of ANH, I think Lucas and Williams were mainly trying to manipulate the audience's emotions and playing on the nostalgia factor, trying to give the movie a more uplifting, hopeful feel. But, if you watch it as a complete 12-hour movie, I think it could be changed to a more horrific end.

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"Instead we get blue guy, who when Yoda comes to confront Palps just walks out."

LOL...so true.

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"Instead we get blue guy, who when Yoda comes to confront Palps just walks out."

LOL...so true.


Heh. That bugged the beejeesus out of me for some reason. At least Yoda clocks the guards, but Palps doesn't even dismiss that guy! Palps blasts Yoda and he just kinda shrugs and walks (not even briskly) out. Some help *he* was to Palps.

Good points InfoDroid. Hey- maybe *that's* why the Empire started excluding non-humans!

"Inhuman dog!" thought the newly self-appointed Emperor, "How DARE he leave me to be knocked over a chair by a gremlin with a lightsaber! For THAT transgression I shall make one of my first acts the abolishment of ALL sub-human species from MY Empire!! Mhhuhhahahahaaaaaaa..*cough cough* hahahahahHAHAH *hack* (damn, I must have caught Grievous' cold)"
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Greencapt could be on to something here. And MBJ, I did say I came to understand why Vader walks like that, so it doesn't really bother me that much now. It just a little too overdone.


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Yeah, changing the order of the Death Star scene and the Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru scene is a good idea, but don't cut out the Death Star scene. That was a great scene.

And I agree, it would have been awesome if Tarkin was Palpatine's right hand man.
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Originally posted by: Jaster Mareel
Yeah, changing the order of the Death Star scene and the Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru scene is a good idea, but don't cut out the Death Star scene. That was a great scene.

And I agree, it would have been awesome if Tarkin was Palpatine's right hand man.


Well it would have been sensible if there was more Mechanical Vader dialogue and the emperor could have introduced Vader to Tarkin.
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I think part of the explanation as to why you wouldn't see Tarkin is because a) he was off overseeing the Death Star and b) we see VERY little of the Imperial 'Navy' such as it is, and see more of the Imperial (Clone) 'Army'.
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But he's a significant character in ANH, so much so that he outranks Vader (for lack of a better word).

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I just noticed this:

"Just as a sidenote: Mas Amedda never made sense to me. It's quite clear in the OT that Palpatine's regime DID NOT include aliens or women. EVERYONE was Human. Why then, does he always have this alien by his side in the Prequels? And whatever happened to Mas Amedda in the OT, and Sly Moore (a female alien) for that matter? "

I guess Darth Maul, being a Zabrak, didn't make sense to you either?

Palps may not like aliens, but to be honest, he doesn't like anyone, and everyone is simply a tool to him. Maul served his purpose, as did Amedda and Moore. Nothing more, nothing less.

Vader emphasizes this with the bounty hunters in ESB (though I think there's more emphasis placed on the fact that they are bounty hunters, as opposed to being non-human, save for one.)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I always figured that he was, like Boba Fett, somebody simply who wasn't afraid to talk straight to Vader. Fett clearly has no power or authority over Vader, but he showed no fear of him either. Tarkin is much the same way. He has his turf, as does Vader. He's simply not afraid to let Vader know when he's going a little too far. And I think Vader respected those who had the balls to stand up to him but weren't idiots. Ozzel was an idiot and was killed for it. Same thing for Needa. Of course, they were responsible for Vader not getting his son back, not just regular back-talk.

By the way, in ANH, Tarkin is the Governor of the Outer Rim territories. I thought Motti was actually in charge of Death Star construction. Or was that Tagge? I get them mixed up.

Anyway, I do agree that the story could have benefitted more from additional exposition of Tarkin. I noticed the dialogue about the deleted scene where Palpatine gave more authority to the Governors and thought this directly addressed the Tarkin situation. Of course, Lucas is notorious for cutting info that advances plot and character development. But we got buzz droids! Lots and lots of buzz droids.
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Tarkin's power over Vader is very much grounded in that Vader is still Anakin Skywalker. Sure, he's like 40 now, but he still is just a warrior who answers to the Empire. As we see in ESB, he takes half the Imperial Fleet with him off on some hellbent mission, and then tries to hide it from the Emperor.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi


Vader emphasizes this with the bounty hunters in ESB (though I think there's more emphasis placed on the fact that they are bounty hunters, as opposed to being non-human, save for one.)


Don't forget Dengar.
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I thought Dengar was human, just disfigured.
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I know Dengar was human...that's why I said "as opposed to being non-human, save for one.)".

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Oh, right. He meant save for two. My bad...heh.
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Perhaps Palpatines non-human aides were just tokens so that he wouldn't appear racist until he had absolute power. After the war he could persuade the public with such ideas as "It was the Nemoidians who started this war; it's the aliens' faults!"

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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I always figured that he was, like Boba Fett, somebody simply who wasn't afraid to talk straight to Vader. Fett clearly has no power or authority over Vader, but he showed no fear of him either. Tarkin is much the same way. He has his turf, as does Vader. He's simply not afraid to let Vader know when he's going a little too far. And I think Vader respected those who had the balls to stand up to him but weren't idiots. Ozzel was an idiot and was killed for it. Same thing for Needa. Of course, they were responsible for Vader not getting his son back, not just regular back-talk.


Exactly. I mean, Motti was obviously not ranked superior to Vader, yet he was not afraid to tell him about his "sorcerous ways" and stuff... They are just high ranked officers who are not submisse or afraid of that weird magical cyborg who is supposed to serve the Emperor. By the way, what exactly did vader between episodes 3 and 4? Nothing at all. To the officers, Vader was just a bizarre aftermath of the clone wars, a walking relique...
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Vader took several years "off" between Episode 3 and 4, from what I've read. He got in touch with the Darkside of the force and learned new powers and such. So maybe some of the officers hadn't even seen Vader much before Episode 4?
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" Perhaps Palpatines non-human aides were just tokens so that he wouldn't appear racist until he had absolute power. After the war he could persuade the public with such ideas as "It was the Nemoidians who started this war; it's the aliens' faults!"

That's a good point. There's no way he could have gotten anywhere near the Chancellorship if he publicly showed distain for non-humans.

"Oh, right. He meant save for two."

Actually, I was only taking Dengar into account - I though Boba was the no-brainer, especially after AOTC.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

Actually, I was only taking Dengar into account - I though Boba was the no-brainer, especially after AOTC.


Wasn't it JANGO who was a 'no-brainer' after AOTC... thanks to Masta Windu's purple power-stick?
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This party's OVER!

Woo. Way to go, Mace.

Anyway, back on track now.

So, who else other than Magfan is planning on an edit? ADM?

And where do I find the other edits? I already have MF's versions (which are canon, as far as I'm concerned).
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One thing is really bugging me. The lightsaber should not cut through flesh the same way it cuts through metal, yet the film portrays this. When Anakin is chopping up the Nemoidians, orange scorch marks are left behind. Metal is hard to slice through, so it makes sense it has to be melted, but flesh? In The Empire Strikes Back, Han cuts open the Tauntaun's belly with no markings created. Also, when Dooku gets his hands cut off, the stumps look black and charred. In all of the various amputations that have occurred throughout the series, this has never been the case. Please fix these issues by removing the orange scorch marks and making Dooku's stumps red instead of black.
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I think it was an error.
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