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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 407

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Octorox said:

So after having seen various official versions of ANH and Ady’s version many times, I just noticed that Vader’s lines “your powers are weak, old man” and “you should not have come back” during the duel are swapped in Revisited. Was there ever a rationale given for this? The original version had a great pregnant pause on obi-wan’s face after Vader says “you should not have come back”, which is an emotional beat that’s kind of lost in the Revisited version.

I know Obi-Wan igniting first has been brought up before (which I’m also in favor of reverting) but I don’t remember this one being talked about.

I also wasn’t sure as to the justification / reasoning for swapping who has their saber on first. Never had an issue with Vader already having his on as he had already felt Obi-wan’s presence and said as much to Tarkin and was literally waiting for Obi-wan to come along so it made sense for his saber to already be on and Obi-wan to then turn his on being the older, calmer and wiser Jedi that really only turned his on right when he actually meant business and had no need to always have it out and flashing it around as such like young people actually learning swordsmanship tend to do.

Anyway, just a little nit-pick from me. I love Ady’s revisited version of ANH but there are a few changes that seem a bit pointless in the grand scheme of things and sometimes almost counter intuitive to the existing plausibility of the already well established suspension of disbelief that has worked since the movie first screened in the 1970s cinemas. I’m guessing one, because Ady has no doubt gone through the footage frame by frame countless times that the issues / changes likely stand out like a sore thumb to him whereas your general viewer (even avid fans) likely would never notice in the course of simply watching the movie. And two, because it is Ady’s version and what changes he feels are necessary which is completely fine and understandable 😉

.Valheru

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Vader lit first!

Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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So is it true this is coming on June 9 … 2023? I kid, I kid!

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Whoops, this isn’t a RotJ thread. Ignore this comment. I don’t know how to or if you can delete comments.

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You can’t. Most you can do is edit it out.

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I don’t know, Obi-Wan igniting first never really bothered me. New Obi-Wan igniting lightsaber scene looks a lot better than the original. I mean, sure Ady-Wan could have rearrange those scenes to make sure Vader ignites first and that would have been the best of both worlds, but guys, lets face it, original lightsaber fight sucked anyway. Do to technical limitations at the time, it is both inconsistent with the OT and it doesn’t make much sense in the first place. There isn’t much fighting going on and it mostly looks like Darth Vader is holding back for no reason whatsoever. So the way I see it, there is nothing you can do to it that will ruin it or make it worse than it already is.

I mean, there is minimal movement of the lightsabers (because at the time if they moved it too fast, it wouldn’t glow properly), both actors move very awkwardly (again, do to technical limitations at the time) and Obi-Wan Kenobi just spins around for no reason whatsoever. (mostly do to bad editing)

With that spinning part, that scene should have ended like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4jqWha2zqY

I think this kind of works better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvu_AAxSXd4

I mean, Obi-Wan might be weak do to age, but he doesn’t have to look ridiculous.

Also, I don’t know if it can be used, but in “Star Wars Featurette: The Birth of the Lightsaber” (starting from 3:05) there is an unused footage of the same fighting scene from a different angle. Maybe that could be useful in the future…

Any improvement to that scene would go a long way.

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I totally disagree. The Obi Wan/Vader duel is only inconsistent with the prequels which had acrobats doing back flips and spiralling barrel rolls wearing Christopher Lee’s or Ian McDiarmid’s face. In the context of the original trilogy it looks like what it is. Two seasoned skilled fighters making very careful moves against appointments armed with very, very dangerous blades.

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The more I watch the Obi-Wan vs. Maul duel on Tattooine in Rebels, the more I enjoy it. It only makes me want to imagine a duel between Kenobi and Vader in a more samurai kinda feel.

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Bingowings said:

I totally disagree. The Obi Wan/Vader duel is only inconsistent with the prequels which had acrobats doing back flips and spiralling barrel rolls wearing Christopher Lee’s or Ian McDiarmid’s face. In the context of the original trilogy it looks like what it is. Two seasoned skilled fighters making very careful moves against appointments armed with very, very dangerous blades.

So you call that whole spinning action normal?

Also, I disagree with your point. I wasn’t talking about the prequels (god, I hate prequels, that’s why I tried to edit them but it was too much for me to handle properly) I was talking about the other two movies of the original trilogy. Darth Vader’s whole fighting style is different. Not to mention Vader shows much grater skill, strength and mobility in the other two OT movies that he lack in this scene. Both actors movements look weird and restricted. And there is that whole spinning action Obi-Wan takes, which is ridiculous on its own right. If you were fighting with someone and you did that in front of that person, an utterly useless and pointless action, you would have been dead that moment. (all it would take for that person to extend their arm a little bit to slice you while you are spinning, you are completely defenseless) It doesn’t take much to see it serves no purpose. Obi-Wan doesn’t even hit anything, he just spins for no reason and they continue where they left off. Lastly, they are trying to best each other, it is not a battle of wits. (well, in Obi-Wan’s case, he might be trying to buy time for his friends) But instead, they clash their lightsabers, stand around a bit, they clash it again, Obi-Wan waves around his light saber a bit, takes a spin for no reason and they clash it again and so son. It is nothing like to other two original trilogy movies.

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sansuni said:

looks like Darth Vader is holding back for no reason whatsoever.

He’s holding back because the last time he fought Obi-Wan, things didn’t go very well for him. He was right to play it safe.

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FVDnz said:

The more I watch the Obi-Wan vs. Maul duel on Tattooine in Rebels, the more I enjoy it. It only makes me want to imagine a duel between Kenobi and Vader in a more samurai kinda feel.

This. The original duel feels clumsy and disjointed but the Revisited version just feels frantic and over-edited. To create a very tactical, precise looking fight I think 2nd unit inserts would be needed. You’d just have to obscure Obi-Wans face.

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Don’t yell at me just asking how long until the a new hope revisited hd and jedi revisited hd will be out give or take? 10 20 years and no i’m not being a sarcastic. I’m just curious because i’m really looking forward to it and just was wondering that’s all. For the record i’m not trying to sound pushy i’m just curious that all. Because to me these are the complete versions of the original star wars trilogy

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Jeebus said:

sansuni said:

looks like Darth Vader is holding back for no reason whatsoever.

He’s holding back because the last time he fought Obi-Wan, things didn’t go very well for him. He was right to play it safe.

Well yes. Also in Empire Vader is fighting someone who has been practicing for a few months. If anything he is testing Luke’s potential so he is throwing all manner of fancy shapes at him. Vader in Jedi is more like Vader in Star Wars. He is cautious slow. His only flourish is throwing his sword to break the gantry. Luke is more like Vader in Empire during the Jedi fight. Because foreshadowing and because he has been doing this long enough now to have a false sense of security. I agree that the spin looks a bit awkward in Star Wars. sadly it looks like Jeremy Corbyn might be free in a few months. Maybe he could film some inserts 😂

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jedimasterobiwan said:

Don’t yell at me just asking how long until the a new hope revisited hd and jedi revisited hd will be out give or take? 10 20 years and no i’m not being a sarcastic. I’m just curious because i’m really looking forward to it and just was wondering that’s all. For the record i’m not trying to sound pushy i’m just curious that all. Because to me these are the complete versions of the original star wars trilogy

Why do you ask this when you know from asking about Empire that nobody, not even Ady knows for sure and it’s kind of annoying?
It shouldn’t​ take as long as ESB:R as some of the delays there were unique life events and technology and skills have improved. But life happens while we make plans. Patience. For the Jedi it is time to eat as well 😃

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Bingowings said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

Don’t yell at me just asking how long until the a new hope revisited hd and jedi revisited hd will be out give or take? 10 20 years and no i’m not being a sarcastic. I’m just curious because i’m really looking forward to it and just was wondering that’s all. For the record i’m not trying to sound pushy i’m just curious that all. Because to me these are the complete versions of the original star wars trilogy

Why do you ask this when you know from asking about Empire that nobody, not even Ady knows for sure and it’s kind of annoying?
It shouldn’t​ take as long as ESB:R as some of the delays there were unique life events and technology and skills have improved. But life happens while we make plans. Patience. For the Jedi it is time to eat as well 😃

I’m sorry it’s only because i want to watch all three of the original trilogy revisited hd that’s all and watching empire revisted hd without a new hope revisited hd bothers me.

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jedimasterobiwan said:

Bingowings said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

Don’t yell at me just asking how long until the a new hope revisited hd and jedi revisited hd will be out give or take? 10 20 years and no i’m not being a sarcastic. I’m just curious because i’m really looking forward to it and just was wondering that’s all. For the record i’m not trying to sound pushy i’m just curious that all. Because to me these are the complete versions of the original star wars trilogy

Why do you ask this when you know from asking about Empire that nobody, not even Ady knows for sure and it’s kind of annoying?
It shouldn’t​ take as long as ESB:R as some of the delays there were unique life events and technology and skills have improved. But life happens while we make plans. Patience. For the Jedi it is time to eat as well 😃

I’m sorry it’s only because i want to watch all three of the original trilogy revisited hd that’s all and watching empire revisted hd without a new hope revisited hd bothers me.

Well, just to inform you, it has been stated that it will not take as long as it did for ESBR, but what that means is anyone’s guess and it could be just an optimistic estimation. In the end it will be coming when it is ready and there won’t be any release dates or anything like that. So there is no point in asking.

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sansuni said:

looks like Darth Vader is holding back for no reason whatsoever.

He’s holding back because the last time he fought Obi-Wan, things didn’t go very well for him. He was right to play it safe.

Well yes. Also in Empire Vader is fighting someone who has been practicing for a few months. If anything he is testing Luke’s potential so he is throwing all manner of fancy shapes at him. Vader in Jedi is more like Vader in Star Wars. He is cautious slow. His only flourish is throwing his sword to break the gantry. Luke is more like Vader in Empire during the Jedi fight. Because foreshadowing and because he has been doing this long enough now to have a false sense of security. I agree that the spin looks a bit awkward in Star Wars. sadly it looks like Jeremy Corbyn might be free in a few months. Maybe he could film some inserts 😂

While I understand where you are coming from, but you are just justifying many of the flaws of this scene. Sure, what you said could have been true, but we both know Darth Vader isn’t the type to hold back. He sure as hell never held back for any reason before. Not to mention Obi-Wan doesn’t give him much of a fight in the first place. This is the first lightsaber duel we ever witness and it is between two seasoned Jedi masters, it should have been better than this, not a roughly cut, awkward mess. I am not saying lets extend it, add scenes to it to make it more epic, though I am guessing it could have benefited from a well placed scene or too, I am not talking about that. I am just saying that awkwardness should be taken away.

Please compare this with the original and tell me if it doesn’t look kind of better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvu_AAxSXd4

(Note, above video omits the scenes of Luke, Han and Leia, just to show off the duel between Obi-Wan and Vader, ignore that. Those scenes shouldn’t be changed.)

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Not from this certain point of view. I prefer the razor tickle of the original cut. Certainly to the baseball bat fight of Return of the Jedi.

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Bingowings said:

Not from this certain point of view. I prefer the razor tickle of the original cut. Certainly to the baseball bat fight of Return of the Jedi.

Did you even watch the video I posted?

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Definitely an improvement Sanduni on the original and interesting that they did it by removing bits and pieces. All the same, I never have and never will have an issue with the original since that’s what I grew up watching and remembering and I think people need to remember and respect the time and age this movie was made in. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say but watching this for the first time as a kid, you never knew any better, you were sucked into the movie and seeing your first lightsaber battle was freaking awesome!

That aside, being Ady’s edit and essentially what the actual SEs should have been I wouldn’t mind seeing an upgraded fight just like you linked included in this version since I know I’m not watching the original theatrical. I’ll watch Harmys DSE for that ;D

.Val

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I love how everyone makes up their own stories and reasons as to why the ANH saber fight doesn’t look like shit - when it does, and the only reason is because they were limited to the extent they had to do slow movements close to eachother to not destroy the props and/or the glowing effect.

It had nothing to do with “Vader is being restricted because his last fight didn’t go so well”. Or “Vader is testing his ground”. They were simply restricted; end of story.

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Anjohan said:

I love how everyone makes up their own stories and reasons as to why the ANH saber fight doesn’t look like shit - when it does, and the only reason is because they were limited to the extent they had to do slow movements close to eachother to not destroy the props and/or the glowing effect.

People try to justify it because the answer you’re giving just isn’t satisfying. Out-of-universe answers in general aren’t satisfying.

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Jeebus said:

Anjohan said:

I love how everyone makes up their own stories and reasons as to why the ANH saber fight doesn’t look like shit - when it does, and the only reason is because they were limited to the extent they had to do slow movements close to eachother to not destroy the props and/or the glowing effect.

People try to justify it because the answer you’re giving just isn’t satisfying. Out-of-universe answers in general aren’t satisfying.

But that’s not the issue here is it… You could make up an in universe explanation and make justification for every fault this movie has and there would be no need for a project like this…

Why do colors look weird in the Deathstar? - Faulty wiring in the lighting system.
Why do colors look weird in Tattoine then? - Because the sun in that system is about to go supernova, in fact any day now.
Why does R2-D2 appear in front on Ben Kenobi and Luke Skywalker when it was way behind them in the previous shot? - Well, because it had teleportation capability all along, it just wasn’t using it since it didn’t want to show off, duh!
Why does Obi-Wan Kenobi turns into a dummy/puppet of himself just when Vader is about to kill him? - It is an old Jedi trick, it is the old Ben Kenobi to dummy switcheroo, here we go.

These projects exists to solve these issues, so it is no use to cover for them. I am not saying we should go with the Lucas route and make many pointless and mostly ridiculous changes to this movie, I am just saying there are issues, mostly do to technical limitations at the time these movies made like @Anjohan said and there are issues do to piss poor editing. (and I am not saying editing is always piss poor, it is just piss poor here) If you want to watch the original trilogy unaltered, the way you remember as a child, then you are in the wrong place. That’s what Harmy’s despecilized editions are for. Here is the place those issues get fixed, so you don’t have to make up a ridiculous in universe explanation that conflicts with the universe in the first place.

Valheru_84 said:

Definitely an improvement Sanduni on the original and interesting that they did it by removing bits and pieces. All the same, I never have and never will have an issue with the original since that’s what I grew up watching and remembering and I think people need to remember and respect the time and age this movie was made in. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say but watching this for the first time as a kid, you never knew any better, you were sucked into the movie and seeing your first lightsaber battle was freaking awesome!

That aside, being Ady’s edit and essentially what the actual SEs should have been I wouldn’t mind seeing an upgraded fight just like you linked included in this version since I know I’m not watching the original theatrical. I’ll watch Harmys DSE for that ;D

.Val

Yeah, but it is no use to look at this issue with nostalgia googles. Like you have said, it was probably fine when we were watching as a child, when we didn’t know any better, but this is not a movie for kids.

So I am glad you agree to some degree. There were lots of issues with the original trilogy and Ady’s project is to fix them. (Though its still his project and he decides what to fix and what to leave alone, so it is entirely up to him. But still, I wholly hope he sees things the way we see and fixes these issues when it comes the time to make ANHR HD. We can hope.)

Anjohan said:

I love how everyone makes up their own stories and reasons as to why the ANH saber fight doesn’t look like shit - when it does, and the only reason is because they were limited to the extent they had to do slow movements close to eachother to not destroy the props and/or the glowing effect.

It had nothing to do with “Vader is being restricted because his last fight didn’t go so well”. Or “Vader is testing his ground”. They were simply restricted; end of story.

I agree fully. Some people just can’t get rid of their nostalgia googles and see it for what it is. Issued caused by limitations, technical issues and bad editing. They just make up a in universe explanation for it and ignore how ridiculous it actually is. I honestly don’t get it.

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