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It does not list Liam Neeson because, well, no one knew! But I think that the scene was planned but not filmed because Neeson was either unavailable or uniterested. I belive the scene was not finished, if the scene exists in a finished form, there's absolutely NO reason for it not being on Episode 3.
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No, that line is in the film version, TheCassidy.

Also, Whils is a refrence to one of the early drafts of ANH, Shimraa. "The journal of the Whils." At least, I'm pretty sure that's what it is.


so why is it significant?


It's not, really... It's just a reference...
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I downloaded and checked the script for the Shaak Ti kill and I think it's the one you just mentioned, Hardcore. Check it:




I'm kinda wondering if the youngling's calling Anakin MASTER made him go just a little more apeshit... Nothing like rubbing a little salt in the wound.
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I'm kinda wondering if the youngling's calling Anakin MASTER made him go just a little more apeshit... Nothing like rubbing a little salt in the wound.


LOL- I had the same thought! After making such a big deal out of him not being 'Master' and all. Threw me right out of what otherwise might have been a pretty chilling scene.

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In my TOTAL FILM April 2005 issue, there was an ep3 interview with Rick McCallum and he said that Qui-Gon would make an appearance as a "spirit" in Sith. I don't hace a clue what's goin on?
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I'm kinda wondering if the youngling's calling Anakin MASTER made him go just a little more apeshit... Nothing like rubbing a little salt in the wound.


LOL- I had the same thought! After making such a big deal out of him not being 'Master' and all. Threw me right out of what otherwise might have been a pretty chilling scene.


It was still chilling-- I didn't think of it until the movie was over and I was home thinking about it. Scared the cat when I started giggling for no apparent reason...
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hmm i wonder where Jedi youngling "Liam" was. (wee boy from ep2 that says "Master, someone erased it from the Archives".
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hmm i wonder where Jedi youngling "Liam" was. (wee boy from ep2 that says "Master, someone erased it from the Archives".


Obi-Wan took that kid out already, having made him look like a chump in front of Yoda and the other kids...
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hmm i wonder where Jedi youngling "Liam" was. (wee boy from ep2 that says "Master, someone erased it from the Archives".


Obi-Wan took that kid out already, having made him look like a chump in front of Yoda and the other kids...


Good one.
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
Here is another deleted scene with photo:


116 INT. CORUSCANT-CHANCELLOR'S OFFICE-SUNSET

PALPATINE listens to a delegation from the Senate, which includes PADME and five other Senators: NEE ALAVAR, FANG ZAR, MALEDEE, SWEITT CONCORKILL, and MON CALAMARI. ANAKIN stands to one side of PALPATINE.

PALPATINE: I understand your reservations completely, Senator, and I assure you the appointment of Governors will in no way compete with the duties of the Senate.

PADME: May I take it then, that there will be no further amendments to the Constitution?

PALPATINE: I want this terrible conflict to end as much as you do, My Lady, and when it does I guarantee an immediate return to democracy . . .

PADME: You are pursuing a diplomatic solution to the war, then.

PALPATINE: You must trust me to do the right things, Senator. That is why I am here.

FANGZAR: But surely . . .

The Chancellor turns on FANG ZAR.

PALPATINE: I have said I will do what is right, that should be enough for your . . . committee.

PADME: On behalf of the "delegation of two thousand," I thank you, Chancellor.

PALPATINE: I thank you for bringing this to my attention, Senator.

PADME gives ANAKIN a frustrated look, then turns and exits with the other FIVE SENATORS. PALPATINE turns to ANAKIN.

PALPATINE: (continuing) Their sincerity is to be admired, although I sense there is more to their request than they are telling us.

ANAKIN: What do you mean?

PALPATINE: They are not to be trusted.

ANAKIN: Surely Senator Amidala can be trusted . . .

PALPATINE: These are unstable times for the Republic, Anakin. Some see instability as an opportunity. Senator Amidala is hiding something. I can see it in her eyes.

ANAKIN: I'm sure you're mistaken.

PALPATINE: I'm surprised your Jedi insights are not more sensitive to such things.

ANAKIN: I simply don't sense betrayal in Senator Amidala.

PALPATINE studies ANAKIN carefully and gives him a skeptical look.

PALPATINE: Yes, you do, but you don't seem to want to admit it. There is much conflict in you, Anakin.


I am a fan of Mon Calamari and Admirial Ackbar, i don't why it was'nt shown.

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Cheers to Hardcore Legend for giving me the right thread.
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Cheers to Hardcore Legend for giving me the right thread.


No problem, I have more I just have to get around to capping them.

Here's a short little deleted bit:

OBI-WAN: (quietly to Anakin) This time we will do it together.

ANAKIN: I was about to say that.

COUNT DOOKU jumps down to the main level.

PALPATINE: Get help! You're no match for him. He's a Sith Lord.

OBI-WAN: Chancellor Palpatine, Sith Lords are our specialty.

OBI-WAN and ANAKIN throw off their cloaks and ignite their lightsabers.

COUNT DOOKU: Your swords, please, Master Jedi. We don't want to make a mess of things in front of the Chancellor.

OBI-WAN and ANAKIN move toward DOOKU.

OBI-WAN: You won't get away this time, Dooku.

COUNT DOOKU: Don't think because there are two of you, you have the advantage.

OBI-WAN and ANAKIN charge COUNT DOOKU. A great sword fight ensues.

COUNT DOOKU: I've been looking forward to this.

ANAKIN: My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count.
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That line of dialogue isn't even in the script, yet it appears as a cut scene on the video game. If you watch the scene in the movie, you can see Dooku's mouth open to say something, yet it cuts away to the Jedi attacking.

So, with that footage being in the game, it will be easy to reinsert it back into the film for the 'extended edition'.
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Now it becomes clear. Lucas removed scenes that developed the plot so he would be able to cram more irrelevant special effects scenes into the movie that only sold more merchandise.

Twisted and evil...more machine now than man.
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Now it becomes clear. Lucas removed scenes that developed the plot so he would be able to cram more irrelevant special effects scenes into the movie that only sold more merchandise.

Twisted and evil...more machine now than man.



Not sure about the merchandise part. He cut alot of characters, that would have certainly sold more merchandise.
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The Anakin & Obi fight is actually 7 mins long. So i really doubt we'll see the whole 12 min battle on the DVD.

Could someone what certain bits where cut out please, thanks.
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I sure can. It will be on the DVD website I write for here in the next week as we are doing a feature on this, however I will post this part for you now just because you seem nice enough:

BOLD is in the film, non-bold was cut.

200 INT. MUSTAFAR-MAIN CONTROL CENTER-DAY

View screens EXPLODE around ANAKIN and OBI-WAN as they work their way into the Control Room. The fighting is intense. OBI-WAN is on the defensive as he jumps up on the table view screen in the center of the room.

ANAKIN: Don't make me destroy you, Master. You're no match for the dark side.

OBI-WAN: I've heard that before, Anakin . . . but I never thought I'd hear it from you.

ANAKIN forces OBI-WAN back into the Conference Room where the quarters are much closer. Sparks fly everywhere. ANAKIN jumps onto the conference table. OBI-WAN slides across the table, knocking ANAKIN over. OBI-WAN grabs ANAKIN’s lightsaber as he falls. OBI-WAN uses the Force to summon his dropped lightsaber. ANAKIN does the same.

202 INT. MUSTAFAR-MAIN CONTROL CENTER-DAY

The battle intensifies.

OBI-WAN: (continuing) The flaw of power is arrogance.

OBI-WAN stands looking at his former apprentice for a moment.

ANAKIN: You hesitate . . . the flaw of compassion.

OBI-WAN and ANAKIN lock sabers. OBI-WAN puts out his hand to use the Force to push ANAKIN away. ANAKIN puts out his hand to block OBI-WAN.
Both combatants are blasted backwards onto the control panels.
They regain their footing and the battle continues. ANAKIN kicks OBI-WAN away.
They battle around the room, and eventually the door to the exterior is knocked open. They continue battling out onto the balcony.

204 EXT. MUSTAFAR-MAIN CONTROL CENTER BALCONY-DAY

ANAKIN forces OBI-WAN down a narrow balcony outside the Control Room. He rips objects off the wall and throws them at OBI-WAN as he pushes him further and further along the walkway.

The balcony ends, and OBI-WAN is trapped. He looks over the balcony and into a river of lava.

ANAKIN cuts apiece of the balcony railing off, along with a control panel.
ALARMS SOUND, and a protective ray shield around the superstructure disappears. It tumbles into the molten abyss, disappearing in a puff of smoke. A small pipe connects the Control Center to the Main Collection Plant. OBI-WAN has no choice but to tightrope-walk out across the lava river while fighting ANAKIN.

205 EXT. MUSTAFAR-MAIN CONTROL CENTER BALCONY, PIPE ACROSS LAVA RIVER, MAIN COLLECTION PLANT-DAY

ANAKIN, following OBI-WAN, jumps down onto the flexing pipe, lands, and resumes fighting.

206 INT. MUSTAFAR-PIPE ACROSS LAVA RIVER-DAY

OBI-WAN and ANAKIN work their way across the small pipe, fighting ferociously as they go. OBI-WAN slips, throws his lightsaber up in the air, grabs on to the pipe, swings around, grabs on to an upper pipe, retrieves his lightsaber, and lands back on the original pipe. They continue to fight across the pipe until they reach the Main Collection Plant.

209 EXT. MUSTAFAR-COLLECTION PANELS-DAY

OBI-WAN and ANAKIN battle on the top of the multispired collection panels, jumping from one to the other. At the end of the collection cluster, a huge spray of lava covers the attachments that hold up the collectors. The frame begins to melt. It's raining lava. Both ANAKIN and OBI-WAN run for cover under the collection cluster. They continue to fight in the lava rain, darting from cover to attack, then quickly retreating to cover.
Support for the entire structure begins to fall away, and the collection cluster falls into the lava river. The Jedi continue their fight, climbing to the highest point on the tower as the rest begins to melt away as it rides the swift current down the river.

It bends toward the lava as they get out toward the end. The fighting gets fierce. OBI-WAN gets to the end and is trapped. The tower slowly starts to sink under the lava.

212 EXT. MUSTAFAR-COLLECTION PANELS-DAY

OBI-WAN realizes he is getting very close to the edge of the lava falls. He grabs a rope and leaps from the collection arm. ANAKIN follows.
ANAKIN and OBI-WAN continue their sword fight hanging from cables as they swing past each other.

214 EXT. MUSTAFAR-COLLECTION PANELS-DAY

From their cables, ANAKIN and OBI-WAN both spot something that causes them to stop fighting. The lava river ahead drops off in a tremendous lava fall.

SNAPPING AND METAL GROANS are heard as the main part of the collector starts to break away and move toward the lava fall. OBI-WAN looks around and sees a small floating platform making its way toward the tower.

OBI-WAN does a double hack-flip and lands squarely on the floating platform. He immediately leans to one side and moves away from the tower.

ANAKIN realizes he is doomed as the entire tower heads for the falls. In the distance he sees some CONSTRUCTION DROIDS. He swings back to the tower, climbs up and makes a running leap and miraculously lands on A WORKER DROID. The DROID is confused and chatters to his CO-WORKER. The giant collector goes over the lava flow and disappears in the mist of sparks below.

OBI-WAN heads for the bank of the lava river, but Anakin's DROID is faster. He catches up with his old Master.

OBI-WAN and ANAKIN continue the swordfight. They battle away, balancing on the tiny platform and puzzled DROID. ANAKIN, standing on the Droid, approaches OBI-WAN on the work platform.

OBI-WAN: I have failed you, Anakin. I was never able to teach you to think.

ANAKIN and OBI-WAN confront each other on the lava river.

ANAKIN: I should have known the Jedi were plotting to take over . . .

OBI-WAN: From the Sith!!! Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil.

ANAKIN: From the Jedi point of view! From my point of view, the Jedi are evil.

OBI-WAN: Well, then you are lost!

ANAKIN: This is the end for you, My Master. I wish it were otherwise.

ANAKIN jumps and flips onto OBI- WAN's platform. The fighting continues again until OBI-WAN jumps toward the safety of the black sandy edge of the lava river. He yells at Anakin.

OBI-WAN: It's over, Anakin. I have the high ground.

ANAKIN: You underestimate my power!

OBI-WAN: Don't try it.

ANAKIN follows, and OBI-WAN cuts his young apprentice at the knees, then cuts off his left arm in the blink of an eye. ANAKIN tumbles down the embankment and rolls to a stop near the edge of the lava.

ANAKIN struggles to pull himself up the embankment with his mechanical hand. His thin leather glove has been burned off. He keeps sliding down in the black sand.

OBI-WAN: (continuing) . . . You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would, destroy the Sith, not join them. It was you who would bring balance to the Force, not leave it in Darkness.

OBI-WAN picks up Anakin's light saber and begins to walk away. He stops and looks back.

ANAKIN: I hate you!

OBI-WAN: You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you.

ANAKIN'S clothing blows into the lava river and ignites. Suddenly ANAKIN bursts into flames and starts SCREAMING.

215 INT. MUSTAFAR-VOLCANO EDGE-DAY

OBI-WAN looks in horror as ANAKIN becomes engulfed in flames. OBI-WAN can't watch him as he struggles to climb the embankment, covered in flames.

He runs back to Padme's ship as ANAKIN drops, smoldering, near the top of the lava pit.

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Thanks Hardcore Legend very much I wanted to know about that, a million thanks.
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It actually reads as though some rather hammy dialogue was cut. Surprising, but in a good way.
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It actually reads as though some rather hammy dialogue was cut. Surprising, but in a good way.


That's odd. Because I could swear that two of those lines are almost carbon copies from ESB and two of them are similar to those in ROTJ. Do you consider those hammy?
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OBI-WAN: (continuing) The flaw of power is arrogance.
ANAKIN: You hesitate . . . the flaw of compassion.

LUKE: Your confidence is your weakness.
EMPEROR: Your faith in your friends is yours.
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ANAKIN: Don't make me destroy you, Master. You're no match for the dark side.

OBI-WAN: I've heard that before, Anakin . . . but I never thought I'd hear it from you.

^I could give or take the other stuff, but I really wish those lines were in there, and hope that we DO get the extended duel on the DVD (along with all the other deleted scenes).
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"Because I could swear that two of those lines are almost carbon copies from ESB and two of them are similar to those in ROTJ. Do you consider those hammy?"

There's a lot to be said about delivery.

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"Because I could swear that two of those lines are almost carbon copies from ESB and two of them are similar to those in ROTJ. Do you consider those hammy?"

There's a lot to be said about delivery.


How do you know the delivery if it was deleted?
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Just doing my part. Here is one of the deleted scenes:

Here is another deleted scene, of which I went and got some screen caps from a BTS doc:


95 INT. CORUSCANT-PADME'S APARTMENT-DAY
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I found the following animated gif while I was searching for episode III pictures:

It might be from the same scene.

Also, there are a ton of Episode III pictures I found on this thread. There are some higher res pictures at the end of that thread too.


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204 EXT. MUSTAFAR-MAIN CONTROL CENTER BALCONY-DAY

ANAKIN forces OBI-WAN down a narrow balcony outside the Control Room. He rips objects off the wall and throws them at OBI-WAN as he pushes him further and further along the walkway.
That's a scene I immediately visualized when listening to track #9 of the ep3 soundtrack - it contains an exact musical quote from ESB were Vader uses the force to throw all kinds of junk at Luke. If you watch closely you will also notice that one area on the Mustafar Base actually slightly resembles the area with the big window in ESB.



Another interesting question is: In an interview I have read, George Lucas claims that in the RotJ funeral pyre scene, Vader's armor is supposed to be empty at that time and that Anakin is supposed to have dissipated into the force just like Obi-Wan and Yoda. If it's really how Lucas depicted it to be, how did he achieve the knowledge of how to do that without the same kind of training Obi-Wan and Yoda hat to take?

In my mind Vader's armor isn't empty. It works so much better for me as an analogy of Qui-Gon's funeral scene (i.e. Anakin finding his way on his own, like Qui-Gon had to.)