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Alderaan said:

Hillary did have very realistic goals of corporate militarism and enriching herself through public office.

If Hillary had won, there would have been almost no check on her power.

Source?

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Warbler said:
Um, you do realize that even if she had won, the Republicans would still have control over Congress, right? I’d call that a check on her power.

She’s a centrist neocon. She would have been waging war or paying militants to wage war for her across untold numbers of countries the world over. She would have continued corrupt economic and monetary policies that exacerbate wealth inequality and enrich the wealthy at the expense of the poor. She would have further entrenched the surveillance-police state.

The Republicans–which except for a few issues she’s hardly indistinguishable from–would have loved her. And the hypocritical center-left media would have lavished fete after fete upon her. The praise for her villainy would have been never-ending.

The lone bright spot of the Trump era is this resistance stuff. It’s nice to see the courts, Congress, the media, activists, and tens of millions of people in general, mocking him and his nonsense, not to mention his political impotence.

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Alderaan said:

Warbler said:
Um, you do realize that even if she had won, the Republicans would still have control over Congress, right? I’d call that a check on her power.

She’s a centrist neocon. She would have been waging war or paying militants to wage war for her across untold numbers of countries the world over. She would have continued corrupt economic and monetary policies that exacerbate wealth inequality and enrich the wealthy at the expense of the poor. She would have further entrenched the surveillance-police state.

The Republicans–which except for a few issues she’s hardly indistinguishable from–would have loved her. And the hypocritical center-left media would have lavished fete after fete upon her. The praise for her villainy would have been never-ending.

Oh, I see what you did. You forgot that it was Trump you were talking about. Common mistake, I know.

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Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I do think both sides suck but I am allowed to have some optimism

Hell, you guys can’t even stand up for Bernie Sanders

I like Bernie. I’ve said so more than once. But I did think his ideas (like free higher education) were pie-in-the-sky while Hillary’s were more realistic.

Don’t you think they’re good goals to work towards, though?

Well, it’s debatable. I certainly can see Hillary’s position that the US is not Sweden. I would like to think it’s a wonderful goal, but I’m not convinced it is attainable. Hence, “pie-in-the-sky.”

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Alderaan said:

Warbler said:
Um, you do realize that even if she had won, the Republicans would still have control over Congress, right? I’d call that a check on her power.

She’s a centrist neocon. She would have been waging war or paying militants to wage war for her across untold numbers of countries the world over. She would have continued corrupt economic and monetary policies that exacerbate wealth inequality and enrich the wealthy at the expense of the poor. She would have further entrenched the surveillance-police state.

The Republicans–which except for a few issues she’s hardly indistinguishable from–would have loved her. And the hypocritical center-left media would have lavished fete after fete upon her. The praise for her villainy would have been never-ending.

  1. Source??

  2. Because Bill was also so well loved. Republicans love the Clintons… Wait, no they don’t. -.-

I thought there were rules against conspiracy theories and ridiculous doomsaying.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

I thought there were rules against conspiracy theories and ridiculous doomsaying.

Seems they’re more what you’d call guidelines than actual rules.

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chyron8472 said:

Alderaan said:

Warbler said:
Um, you do realize that even if she had won, the Republicans would still have control over Congress, right? I’d call that a check on her power.

She’s a centrist neocon. She would have been waging war or paying militants to wage war for her across untold numbers of countries the world over. She would have continued corrupt economic and monetary policies that exacerbate wealth inequality and enrich the wealthy at the expense of the poor. She would have further entrenched the surveillance-police state.

The Republicans–which except for a few issues she’s hardly indistinguishable from–would have loved her. And the hypocritical center-left media would have lavished fete after fete upon her. The praise for her villainy would have been never-ending.

  1. Source??

Alderaan doesn’t believe in sources.

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chyron8472 said:

Alderaan said:

Warbler said:
Um, you do realize that even if she had won, the Republicans would still have control over Congress, right? I’d call that a check on her power.

She’s a centrist neocon. She would have been waging war or paying militants to wage war for her across untold numbers of countries the world over. She would have continued corrupt economic and monetary policies that exacerbate wealth inequality and enrich the wealthy at the expense of the poor. She would have further entrenched the surveillance-police state.

The Republicans–which except for a few issues she’s hardly indistinguishable from–would have loved her. And the hypocritical center-left media would have lavished fete after fete upon her. The praise for her villainy would have been never-ending.

  1. Source??

I thought there were rules against conspiracy theories and ridiculous doomsaying.

Here’s an idea. Why don’t you get your politics from more places besides Rachel Maddow. I’m not going to do all of the work for you again, and watch you say “OMG source?” every time someone posts something that hurts your feelings, when these things have already been known and in the public for quite some time.

Here:

  1. Hillary Clinton quotes Dick Cheney verbatim on the campaign trail:
    https://www.google.com/#safe=off&q=hillary+clinton+american+exceptionalism

  2. Hillary Clinton told NBC News that she supported Trump’s bombing of Syria, but says there should be more of it.
    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/859464936296140800

  3. Hillary Clinton, the architect of U.S. interventionist policy in numerous countries:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/27/hillary-the-hawk-a-history-clinton-2016-military-intervention-libya-iraq-syria/

  4. Hillary Clinton, the Senator who voted in favor of the Iraq War:
    http://progressive.org/op-eds/clinton-s-iraq-war-vote-still-appalls/

  5. Hillary Clinton, the woman who suggested the U.S. should rig the Palestinian elections:
    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Recording-released-of-Clinton-suggesting-rigging-2006-Palestinian-election-471129

There is an exhaustive amount of evidence that Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy beliefs would be very much in agreement with congressional Republicans. Actually, she would be further to the right than most of them.

As for surveillance and the curbing of civil rights, all you have to do is type a simple search into Google and you will be rewarded with innumerable articles-- different months, different days, different years–in which she time and time again says that the U.S. needs more government surveillance:

http://time.com/4150694/hillary-clinton-calls-for-more-surveillance-to-fight-terror/
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/hillary-clinton-surveillance-brussels/
https://fee.org/articles/hillary-clinton-and-donald-trump-are-in-lockstep-on-government-spying/

And as for trade and economic policy, she was for the TPP before she was against it:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-trade-deal-229381

Leaked excerpts of speeches Clinton gave after resigning as secretary of state give strength to criticisms that her opposition to the TPP is little more than a campaign pose.

She was one of the people who helped design the TPP, then said she was in favor of it…then said she opposed it, when she thought she was going to win the presidency and the Republican congress was going to pass it during a lame-duck session of Congress last December.

She also refused to stand up against the Dakota Access pipeline, presumably because her banker buddies stood to make a windfall financing the project:
https://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clintons-silence-on-standing-rock-is-a-moral-mistake-and-a-political-one/
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/dakota-pipeline-protests/hillary-clinton-caught-between-key-allies-dakota-pipeline-n676356

I’m sorry I don’t have time to provide you with more than a dozen links from national news organizations, but I hope this will be enough for you. Seriously, just try watching something else besides Rachel Maddow or some nitwit’s twitter feed next time.

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TV’s Frink said:

Alderaan doesn’t believe in sources.

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Added to my mental list:

  • Impscum
  • Mala
  • Alderaan

I’m just done with all of them. This place has gone to figurative shit with all of their posts, and since no one cares, I’m not gonna care either anymore. I enjoy myself a lot more when I ignore Fo so this should be no different.

Passive aggressive Fink is the best Fink.

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

Hillary Clinton would probably be president if FBI Director James Comey had not sent a letter to Congress on Oct. 28. The letter, which said the FBI had “learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation” into the private email server that Clinton used as secretary of state, upended the news cycle and soon halved Clinton’s lead in the polls, imperiling her position in the Electoral College.

The letter isn’t the only reason that Clinton lost. It does not excuse every decision the Clinton campaign made. Other factors may have played a larger role in her defeat, and it’s up to Democrats to examine those as they choose their strategy for 2018 and 2020.

But the effect of those factors — say, Clinton’s decision to give paid speeches to investment banks, or her messaging on pocket-book issues, or the role that her gender played in the campaign — is hard to measure. The impact of Comey’s letter is comparatively easy to quantify, by contrast. At a maximum, it might have shifted the race by 3 or 4 percentage points toward Donald Trump, swinging Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida to him, perhaps along with North Carolina and Arizona. At a minimum, its impact might have been only a percentage point or so. Still, because Clinton lost Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by less than 1 point, the letter was probably enough to change the outcome of the Electoral College.

It’s a really long piece by Nate Silver but that’s the summation. Also in summary:

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This is another case of manufactured twitter outrage. Trumpy minions playing the homophobia card is both funny and sad.

Where were you in '77?

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TV’s Frink said:

It’s a really long piece by Nate Silver but that’s the summation. Also in summary:

It’s sad that they are still claiming this as the up-ender for her. She was already on the slide back down the ladder. Her main issue aside from all the lies was that she could not relate to the average American. Those average American’s didn’t need the Comey letter to influence their decision. They put the “status quo” on notice long before the campaigning started, but they chose not to listen to the average American voice. 1.2 Billion dollars and a loss was a fate they created for themselves.

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SilverWook said:

This is another case of manufactured twitter outrage. Trumpy minions playing the homophobia card is both funny and sad.

Actually, it’s liberals and conservatives …

Liberals and conservatives alike are agreeing that Stephen Colbert should be fired by CBS, but not necessarily for the same reasons.

While some outraged viewers are calling for Colbert’s termination over a comment about President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin that they view as homophobic, conservatives appear to simply want him gone for his politics and frequent, sharp criticism of Trump.

Colbert made the controversial insult during Monday’s passionate “Late Show” monologue, which went viral online. In it, he stood up for CBS reporter John Dickerson, whose interview with Trump was cut short by the president, who was being repeatedly questioned about his allegations that President Barack Obama had ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower during the campaign.

“Sir, you attract more skinheads than free Rogaine,” Colbert said during the rant. “You have more people marching against you than cancer. You talk like a sign-language gorilla who got hit in the head. In fact, the only thing your mouth is good for is being Vladimir Putin’s c–k holster.”

The last, sexually charged barb seems to be the one for which Colbert is taking the heat.

If Trump said this about Colbert people would be openly calling for his death. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

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TV’s Frink said:

Sure.

You can pooh pooh me all you like, it doesn’t change anything. Not that you’ll admit to it being any different than you see it but hey, Wisconsin hasn’t voted Republican since Ronald Reagan in 1984 so if that doesn’t tell you anything, nothing will.

Do a little reading.

https://www.amazon.com/Shattered-Inside-Hillary-Clintons-Campaign/dp/0553447084

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/25/hillary-clinton-loss-detailed-in-book-shattered/

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The ones I saw last night all seemed to be Trumpites. The libs were all laughing their asses off at the fuss. In any case, it’s twitter. People can change their declared political leanings faster then their underwear. They’ll all be pissed off about something else in a day or two. Remember #boycottstarwars?

Wake me when there’s a massive protest march down to the Ed Sullivan theater. And one or two loons standing outside with a crudely made sign don’t count. 😉

Where were you in '77?

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I’m guessing it will continue until Hillary Clinton gets rightfully elected to her born and stolen from her duty of POTUS.

😉

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Jetrell Fo said:

TV’s Frink said:

It’s a really long piece by Nate Silver but that’s the summation. Also in summary:

It’s sad that they are still claiming this as the up-ender for her. She was already on the slide back down the ladder. Her main issue aside from all the lies was that she could not relate to the average American. Those average American’s didn’t need the Comey letter to influence their decision. They put the “status quo” on notice long before the campaigning started, but they chose not to listen to the average American voice. 1.2 Billion dollars and a loss was a fate they created for themselves.

Are you sure that you are “qualified” to pass judgement on Hillary’s successes/failures as a Presidential candidate? It’s just that I thought you’d established a couple of pages back that one needed to have done the same job to an equal (or greater) level, to be allowed to form an opinion?

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV’s Frink said:

It’s a really long piece by Nate Silver but that’s the summation. Also in summary:

It’s sad that they are still claiming this as the up-ender for her. She was already on the slide back down the ladder. Her main issue aside from all the lies was that she could not relate to the average American. Those average American’s didn’t need the Comey letter to influence their decision. They put the “status quo” on notice long before the campaigning started, but they chose not to listen to the average American voice. 1.2 Billion dollars and a loss was a fate they created for themselves.

Are you sure that you are “qualified” to pass judgement on Hillary’s successes/failures as a Presidential candidate? It’s just that I thought you’d established a couple of pages back that one needed to have done the same job to an equal (or greater) level, to be allowed to form an opinion?

Nothing I wrote, that you responded to, is judgement or opinion. All of that information is readily available. Read the book that I suggested to Frink.

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Weiner Texts to Women: “It’s not 20 and it’s not 100.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/watch-weiner-hints-sexting-women-article-1.1326552

FBI Director: Huma Abedin had ‘regular practice’ of forwarding classified emails to Anthony Weiner.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/comey-clinton-aide-abedin-classified-emails-weiner-article-1.3133958

Comey says classified Clinton emails were forwarded to Anthony Weiner.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-director-james-comey-begins-testimony-to-congress/2017/05/03/9e3244bc-3006-11e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?utm_term=.612dabdc2035

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/03/politics/james-comey-hearing-huma-abedin-forwarding-classified-information/index.html

Need I remind people that they were Special Access Program Classified Information. If you don’t know what SAP Classified Info is … look it up.

https://news.clearancejobs.com/2013/04/04/an-elite-club-the-special-access-program/

Article at HuffPost from 2016.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/hillary-clintons-private-_b_10354484.html