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I didn’t take it as a personal remark, I’m not sure who that was directed at either.

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chyron8472 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

chyron8472 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

As for Trump, he is as qualified as any political chump need be to run for President, it was the Democratic Party and the Status Quo that got him elected. Americans have long been tired of the “status quo” in all corners of the United States. Americans want the chance to live instead of just survive paycheck to paycheck.

And that is why I say I can see why people voted for him or hated Hillary. The problem, Jetrell, is that Trump is “not the [president] they’re looking for.” He’s not the status quo, clearly, but he will not save them from these problems. Trump only ever cared about himself, his ego, and his own financial gain. Trump is not going to fix this country. He doesn’t even care enough about it not to go golfing in Florida every weekend.

This is your opinion, and I respect that, but those American’s wanted change and they knew he could give it to them regardless of whether or not he got everything done in the first 100 days.

It’s not about whether he’s done it yet that’s the issue. The issue is whether the change he makes is good for the country or even good for his voters’ well-being, and I think that it is not, because I don’t believe he understands, cares, nor cares to understand. He says he cares, but I believe it to be posturing, pure and simple.

And as I said, your opinion is fine, but opinion is not fact. His Twitter account is posturing but he has always been known for being inflammatory and outspoken.

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Warbler said:

Change isn’t always good.

Change is what we make of it not what is given to us.

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chyron8472 said:

chyron8472 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

chyron8472 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

As for Trump, he is as qualified as any political chump need be to run for President, it was the Democratic Party and the Status Quo that got him elected. Americans have long been tired of the “status quo” in all corners of the United States. Americans want the chance to live instead of just survive paycheck to paycheck.

And that is why I say I can see why people voted for him or hated Hillary. The problem, Jetrell, is that Trump is “not the [president] they’re looking for.” He’s not the status quo, clearly, but he will not save them from these problems. Trump only ever cared about himself, his ego, and his own financial gain. Trump is not going to fix this country. He doesn’t even care enough about it not to go golfing in Florida every weekend.

This is your opinion, and I respect that, but those American’s wanted change and they knew he could give it to them regardless of whether or not he got everything done in the first 100 days.

It’s not about whether he’s done it yet that’s the issue. The issue is whether the change he makes is good for the country or even good for his voters’ well-being, and I think that it is not, because I don’t believe he understands, cares, nor cares to understand. He says he cares, but I believe it to be posturing, pure and simple.

Also, hopeful belief that the change he makes will directly be good for the country, that is optimism. Discounting any evidence that disputes that belief, and defaming or name-calling those who agree with it, is not.

And again, Jetrell, who exactly were referring to when you said “Russia lovers and Satan-driven p^&$y grabbing baby killers”?

I admit the baby killer (and it had nothing to do with Vietnam) thing was too much. It was not a personally directed insult if that’s what you’re trying to tag me for, it was a general one for those who refer to Trump as a “p*&%y grabber” when they’re trying to make an argument against anything Trump does.

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Yeah, he’s a pussy grabber. Right from his own mouth.

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I’m amazed there isn’t a band with that name yet. Although it could also be the title of the next Austin Powers movie. 😉

Where were you in '77?

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Well, there is Pussy Riot…

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Yeah, but their existence only annoys Putin. 😉

Where were you in '77?

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“Ivanka Trump made an emphatic case for a full-throated apology, according to several people who were present for the crisis discussion that unfolded in Mr. Trump’s 26th-floor office. Raised amid a swirl of tabloid headlines, she had spent her adult life branding herself as her father’s poised, family-focused daughter. She marketed her clothing line with slogans about female empowerment and was finishing a book on the topic. As she spoke, Mr. Trump remained unyielding. His daughter’s eyes welled with tears, her face reddened, and she hurried out in frustration.”

interesting.

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Jetrell Fo said:

Warbler said:

Change isn’t always good.

Change is what we make of it not what is given to us.

“Au contraire! It’s the human future which intrigues us, and should concern you most. You see, of all species, yours cannot abide stagnation. Change is at the heart of what you are. But change into what? That’s the question.”

“The whole thing goes: ‘The future’s not set. There’s no fate but what we make for ourselves.’”

NOTE: I had movie quotes on the brain with what you said. As a Christian, I don’t believe that last one at all. I just don’t think we should shirk responsibility for things like taking care of the planet, for example, with the excuse that God will already do it for us so why bother. Not that that has anything to do with what you said. I just had Terminator (and then Q) quotes in my head when I read that.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Warbler said:

Change isn’t always good.

Change is what we make of it not what is given to us.

“Au contraire! It’s the human future which intrigues us, and should concern you most. You see, of all species, yours cannot abide stagnation. Change is at the heart of what you are. But change into what? That’s the question.”

“The whole thing goes: ‘The future’s not set. There’s no fate but what we make for ourselves.’”

That was not even on my mind when I typed it, lol. But let’s look at it some. The fact is, if it intrigues us all, then why are only some of us trying to help get more positive change while others pooh pooh it all? Future change concerns me greatly, does it concern you? It should. It should concern all of us. Hell, we can’t even get that kind of hope in this thread, because emotion outweighs everything else.

I want to see America and the world prosper but it won’t happen until the world is on the same page. Can you make that happen in 100 days? Trump can’t and he knows it. If people are laying that expectation clearly at his feet as a challenge then they better be able to do it too, otherwise they become part of the bigger problem the world has against fixing things for everyone.

*Your after-edit clearly noted.

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Jetrell Fo said:

I want to see America and the world prosper but it won’t happen until the world is on the same page. Can you make that happen in 100 days? Trump can’t and he knows it. If people are laying that expectation clearly at his feet as a challenge then they better be able to do it too, otherwise they become part of the bigger problem the world has against fixing things for everyone.

My feeling on the 100-days-issue isn’t so much that people expected him to do more, but that he seems to be annoyed by being held to his own expectation. Whether or not getting anything of significant value done in 100 days is a reasonable expectation, to me isn’t so much at issue, but rather his overreaction when people point it out. He’s very egotistical, basically, and if things don’t go as planned then it’s someone else’s fault. The Consitution is to blame, for instance.

I really couldn’t care less about the expectation of getting much done in 100 days.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Trump doesn’t care if he gets anything done or not. He likes publicity, attention, and flattery. Nothing more.

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That’s the funniest thing about the relationship between him and his supporters–they have feel ignored and disenfranchised, so they willingly embrace someone who parrots their deepest fears and resentments back at them, but on the flip side he’s not doing it because he gives a **** or wants to change anything. He’s just doing it because they cheer him and that’s what he gets off on.

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chyron8472 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I want to see America and the world prosper but it won’t happen until the world is on the same page. Can you make that happen in 100 days? Trump can’t and he knows it. If people are laying that expectation clearly at his feet as a challenge then they better be able to do it too, otherwise they become part of the bigger problem the world has against fixing things for everyone.

My feeling on the 100-days-issue isn’t so much that people expected him to do more, but that he seems to be annoyed by being held to his own expectation. Whether or not getting anything of significant value done in 100 days is a reasonable expectation, to me isn’t so much at issue, but rather his overreaction when people point it out. He’s very egotistical, basically, and if things don’t go as planned then it’s someone else’s fault. The Consitution is to blame, for instance.

I really couldn’t care less about the expectation of getting much done in 100 days.

Agreed.

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Same thing with the crowd size and popular vote obsessions. It’s not the crowd size or vote totals per se that matter, it’s the fact that Presidents that engage in loud, heated months-long feuds with reality end up with credibility problems. The fact that a shocking proportion of a Republican primary debate was devoted to disputing the reputed size of Trump’s penis was not an outlier. This is the current state of politics–and now we have added “wiretapp” to our lexicon to describe such divorced-from-fact disputes, and a healthy and growing stable of websites devoted to keeping those disputes alive and inventing new ones.

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Trump stated quite clearly on many occasions that he would achieve everything on day-1 “very easily” (including ending all crime), so complaining about him being held to a 100-day schedule is ridiculous. By Trump’s standards, on day-100 he should have brought about universal peace, invented interstellar travel and achieved Porcine aviation.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

He’s just a little grabby! He’s still good, he’s still good!

Did you intend for us to read that in Jarvanka voice? Because I totally did.

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CatBus said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

He’s just a little grabby! He’s still good, he’s still good!

Did you intend for us to read that in Jarvanka voice? Because I totally did.

Not sure if missed the Simpsons reference or ignored it.

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chyron8472 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I do think both sides suck but I am allowed to have some optimism

Hell, you guys can’t even stand up for Bernie Sanders

I like Bernie. I’ve said so more than once. But I did think his ideas (like free higher education) were pie-in-the-sky while Hillary’s were more realistic.

Don’t you think they’re good goals to work towards, though?

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Hillary did have very realistic goals of corporate militarism and enriching herself through public office. Trump is terrible but at least he’s neutered by the checks and balances in our society. His presidency is a clown show. If Hillary had won, there would have been almost no check on her power.

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Alderaan said:

If Hillary had won, there would have been almost no check on her power.

Um, you do realize that even if she had won, the Republicans would still have control over Congress, right? I’d call that a check on her power.