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TV’s Frink said:

The only “baby-killer” accusations I see typically come from the right because of abortion.

Yeah, I don’t like to get into the name calling over the abortion issue. It is very complex issue and categorizing abortion into “baby killing” over-simplifies it.

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Warbler said:

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conservative people need to stop correlating a “woman’s right to choose” as though it is pro-abortion.

But it is pro-abortion-being-legal.

Again, from a political perspective, if someone says “that should be between a woman, her God, and her doctor; not the State”, that statement should not be taken as suggesting abortion is always the best and preferred choice. ie. Pro-choice is not necessarily pro-abortion.

And yet, the Democratic Party needs to get away from this argument. When Obama said “that’s above my pay grade” people lambasted him for not taking a side. I liked that answer a lot, but people wouldn’t accept it.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Warbler said:

Unlike Trump, I never claimed I was qualified for the Presidency. I would never run and if by a miracle was elected, for the good the nation, I would refuse to serve because I don’t think I am qualified. If it had been Bernie vs. Trump, I would have gladly voted for Bernie. However, being a RINO(Republican in name only and therefore ineligible to vote in the Dem Primary), was not responsible for the the choice of Hillary as the Dem nominee. Besides, the Dem Primary was decided long before it got to my state. As for the corruption involved in the Dem party choosing Hillary, I don’t like it one bit.

You are one of the only ones to admit it and I thank you for it. I don’t think you could win if you weren’t running but I get your point. Hillary Clinton was chosen before the Democratic Convention even took place. They then took money from Bernie Sanders supporters, and gave it to Hillary, and she used it without issue.

As for Trump, he is as qualified as any political chump need be to run for President, it was the Democratic Party and the Status Quo that got him elected. Americans have long been tired of the “status quo” in all corners of the United States. Americans want the chance to live instead of just survive paycheck to paycheck. I don’t know where this Presidency will land but there is the possibility that Americans will get the chance they deserve. I supported Ronald Reagan and I hated Reaganomics. They did not implement it properly for it to work as intended.

I liked Obama’s unity ideas but it became clear after some time that unity in America was not necessarily the unity he was speaking of. I voted for Ross Perot when he ran because the U.S. needed someone who knew money and business to help fix things. I did not vote for Bill Clinton though he was my Commander In Chief while I served my country. I gave all these people a chance and I have no issue giving Trump a chance even if I don’t like him. That does not make me a Republican. I wanted Bernie Sanders but when it became clear it was Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump … I voted against the status quo because I do not support the suppression of success they hold against average Americans.

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

conservative people need to stop correlating a “woman’s right to choose” as though it is pro-abortion.

But it is pro-abortion-being-legal.

Again, from a political perspective, if someone says “that should be between a woman, her God, and her doctor; not the State”, that statement should not be taken as suggesting abortion is always the best and preferred choice. ie. Pro-choice is not necessarily pro-abortion.

I think I understand your point, but my point is that the only way to keep it between the woman and her God and her doctor is if abortion is legal. If it is illegal, the state is clearly involved in the choice.

And yet, the Democratic Party needs to get away from this argument. When Obama said “that’s above my pay grade” people lambasted him for not taking a side. I liked that answer a lot, but people wouldn’t accept it.

I can sympathize with that kind of any answer, but I also can’t blame people for thinking he was avoiding the question.

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

conservative people need to stop correlating a “woman’s right to choose” as though it is pro-abortion.

But it is pro-abortion-being-legal.

Again, from a political perspective, if someone says “that should be between a woman, her God, and her doctor; not the State”, that statement should not be taken as suggesting abortion is always the best and preferred choice. ie. Pro-choice is not necessarily pro-abortion.

And yet, the Democratic Party needs to get away from this argument.

Until the Republican Party stops trying to deny access to abortion, there is no reason this should or will happen.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Unlike Trump, I never claimed I was qualified for the Presidency.

None of us did. It’s a ridiculous argument which has no relevancy. Just because I’m unqualified to be President doesn’t mean I can’t recognize someone else as being unqualified.

Being human is the biggest downfall of anyone in the Presidency. For all those complaining about Trump I have not seen a single person show they have an equivalent skill set that would even qualify them for such a position or for them to be able to say someone else is not qualified. Emotion, the second biggest downfall for humans, can make anyone an expert when things happen which they don’t like or approve of.

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I’m not qualified to direct a movie but I sure as hell know that George Lucas has no fucking clue how to direct actors. Your argument is ridiculous.

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TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

conservative people need to stop correlating a “woman’s right to choose” as though it is pro-abortion.

But it is pro-abortion-being-legal.

Again, from a political perspective, if someone says “that should be between a woman, her God, and her doctor; not the State”, that statement should not be taken as suggesting abortion is always the best and preferred choice. ie. Pro-choice is not necessarily pro-abortion.

And yet, the Democratic Party needs to get away from this argument.

Until the Republican Party stops trying to deny access to abortion, there is no reason this should or will happen.

Do you have any reports that show this is an across the board regardless of the issue access denial? I haven’t seen anything yet that suggests they are pushing to deny access to abortion for medical/life/death to the mother or infant issues out of a persons control.

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Jetrell Fo said:

As for Trump, he is as qualified as any political chump need be to run for President, it was the Democratic Party and the Status Quo that got him elected. Americans have long been tired of the “status quo” in all corners of the United States. Americans want the chance to live instead of just survive paycheck to paycheck.

And that is why I say I can see why people voted for him or hated Hillary. The problem, Jetrell, is that Trump is “not the [president] they’re looking for.” He’s not the status quo, clearly, but he will not save them from these problems. Trump only ever cared about himself, his ego, and his own financial gain. Trump is not going to fix this country. He doesn’t even care enough about it not to go golfing in Florida every weekend.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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TV’s Frink said:

I’m not qualified to direct a movie but I sure as hell know that George Lucas has no fucking clue how to direct actors. Your argument is ridiculous.

Besides if it follows that you have to be qualified for the Presidency before claiming someone else is unqualified for it, it therefore follows that you’d have to be qualified for the Presidency before claiming that someone else is qualified for it.

Is anyone in this thread that wants to claim they are qualified for the Presidency(and can offer proof to back up the claim)?

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TV’s Frink said:

I’m not qualified to direct a movie but I sure as hell know that George Lucas has no fucking clue how to direct actors. Your argument is ridiculous.

As is yours because you seem to think you can direct a fan-edit that is liked and understood by anyone who sees it even though you don’t have credential to direct a movie.

Sorry, I agree to disagree with you on this.

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TV’s Frink said:

I’m not qualified to direct a movie but I sure as hell know that George Lucas has no fucking clue how to direct actors. Your argument is ridiculous.

“Faster. More intense.”

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

As for Trump, he is as qualified as any political chump need be to run for President, it was the Democratic Party and the Status Quo that got him elected. Americans have long been tired of the “status quo” in all corners of the United States. Americans want the chance to live instead of just survive paycheck to paycheck.

And that is why I say I can see why people voted for him or hated Hillary. The problem, Jetrell, is that Trump is “not the [president] they’re looking for.” He’s not the status quo, clearly, but he will not save them from these problems. Trump only ever cared about himself, his ego, and his own financial gain. Trump is not going to fix this country. He doesn’t even care enough about it not to go golfing in Florida every weekend.

This is your opinion, and I respect that, but those American’s wanted change and they knew he could give it to them regardless of whether or not he got everything done in the first 100 days.

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Change isn’t always good.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’m not qualified to direct a movie but I sure as hell know that George Lucas has no fucking clue how to direct actors. Your argument is ridiculous.

Besides if it follows that you have to be qualified for the Presidency before claiming someone else is unqualified for it, it therefore follows that you’d have to be qualified for the Presidency before claiming that someone else is qualified for it.

Is anyone in this thread that wants to claim they are qualified for the Presidency(and can offer proof to back up the claim)?

This is exactly why I said it. The complaints have nothing to do with qualification and everything to do with emotion. I am sure there might actually be one of us here that could hit the political trail and do well, maybe even become president, but like the golden rule of parenthood states … there is NO manual for being a parent and there is no manual for being one’s own president.

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Fan editing is not the same as directing a film. And if you guys are going to talk to each other, avoid personal remarks.

Where were you in '77?

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Jetrell Fo said:

As is yours because you seem to think you can direct a fan-edit that is liked and understood by anyone who sees it even though you don’t have credential to direct a movie.

What? When did Frink ever berate someone for not liking an edit? Also, as Adywan has said, many MANY edits are made to a film in post-production before it is released, and sometimes multiple official edits are simultaneously commercially sold. Therefore, fan edits–or post-release edits–are no less valid than their sources. It is up to the viewer to decide which edit they prefer.

Heck, I have both the theatrical and Donner Cut of Superman II (both of which are commercially sold), but I prefer the Hybrid Cut edit that combines them both. If people like or don’t like Frink’s edits, what’s that to him?

SilverWook said:

Fan editing is not the same as directing a film.

also this.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Guys, i wish you had all just voted for me. then we wouldn’t be having this conversation…

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Jetrell Fo said:

chyron8472 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

As for Trump, he is as qualified as any political chump need be to run for President, it was the Democratic Party and the Status Quo that got him elected. Americans have long been tired of the “status quo” in all corners of the United States. Americans want the chance to live instead of just survive paycheck to paycheck.

And that is why I say I can see why people voted for him or hated Hillary. The problem, Jetrell, is that Trump is “not the [president] they’re looking for.” He’s not the status quo, clearly, but he will not save them from these problems. Trump only ever cared about himself, his ego, and his own financial gain. Trump is not going to fix this country. He doesn’t even care enough about it not to go golfing in Florida every weekend.

This is your opinion, and I respect that, but those American’s wanted change and they knew he could give it to them regardless of whether or not he got everything done in the first 100 days.

It’s not about whether he’s done it yet that’s the issue. The issue is whether the change he makes is good for the country or even good for his voters’ well-being, and I think that it is not, because I don’t believe he understands, cares, nor cares to understand. He says he cares, but I believe it to be posturing, pure and simple.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

chyron8472 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

As for Trump, he is as qualified as any political chump need be to run for President, it was the Democratic Party and the Status Quo that got him elected. Americans have long been tired of the “status quo” in all corners of the United States. Americans want the chance to live instead of just survive paycheck to paycheck.

And that is why I say I can see why people voted for him or hated Hillary. The problem, Jetrell, is that Trump is “not the [president] they’re looking for.” He’s not the status quo, clearly, but he will not save them from these problems. Trump only ever cared about himself, his ego, and his own financial gain. Trump is not going to fix this country. He doesn’t even care enough about it not to go golfing in Florida every weekend.

This is your opinion, and I respect that, but those American’s wanted change and they knew he could give it to them regardless of whether or not he got everything done in the first 100 days.

It’s not about whether he’s done it yet that’s the issue. The issue is whether the change he makes is good for the country or even good for his voters’ well-being, and I think that it is not, because I don’t believe he understands, cares, nor cares to understand. He says he cares, but I believe it to be posturing, pure and simple.

Also, hopeful belief that the change he makes will directly be good for the country, that is optimism. Discounting any evidence that disputes that belief, and defaming or name-calling those who agree with it, is not.

And again, Jetrell, who exactly were referring to when you said “Russia lovers and Satan-driven p^&$y grabbing baby killers”?

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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SilverWook said:

Fan editing is not the same as directing a film. And if you guys are going to talk to each other, avoid personal remarks.

It wasn’t a personal remark (I don’t know who said it was), I was only making a comparison based on his response, I meant absolutely nothing derogatory by it.