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Cthulhunicron said:

Anyone else think Harmy’s DeSpecialized version looks better than this? The silver screen version is still cool to have, but I prefer watching the Despecialized edition.

They suit different needs. The SSE is more accurate and 100% HD, while DeD is much cleaner but not entirely HD.

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Very little of the most recent release isn’t HD. Except that it’s limited to 720.

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My eyes can’t tell the difference between 720 and 1080.

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Disco_Lobot said:

I laugh at people buying 4K TVs… your eyes are almost certainly not good enough to tell the difference in the vast majority of viewing scenarios. Total waste of money

http://bgr.com/2015/09/18/720p-vs-1080p-vs-4k-resolution/

You know there’s more to it than just resolution, right? The increased dynamic range is enough of a selling point for me. And those who care are going to definitely make sure the viewing conditions are ideal for the 4k format.

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Disco_Lobot said:

I laugh at people buying 4K TVs… your eyes are almost certainly not good enough to tell the difference in the vast majority of viewing scenarios. Total waste of money

http://bgr.com/2015/09/18/720p-vs-1080p-vs-4k-resolution/

At this point it’s getting pretty difficult to find good quality TVs above 40 inches that aren’t at 4K res.

It’s kind of a silly crabs-in-the-bucket argument really. I mean would you really opt for a 768p TV over a 1080p one these days given the choice?: https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20061205134842/http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6661274-1.html?tag=ms

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Disco_Lobot said:

I laugh at people buying 4K TVs… your eyes are almost certainly not good enough to tell the difference in the vast majority of viewing scenarios. Total waste of money

http://bgr.com/2015/09/18/720p-vs-1080p-vs-4k-resolution/

If we were just talking about the absolute resolution, you are right. At my normal viewing distance I can’t tell the difference between 720 and 1080. I’m certainly not going to see much improvement from a 4k screen. But it isn’t just the resolution. The more pixels you have to display the image data, the better the image looks. The pixels start to disappear and be truly invisible. I’ve known this about printing for years, but when you apply it to video, it really helps the realism of the image, even if you are watching a 480 DVD. With the proper hardware, everything will look better on a 4k screen, even if you never get a UHD player or media.

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Screen size also matters. I used to be happy with 720p on a 65 inch screen. But I recently got a projector and a 125 inch screen, and while 720p still looks pretty good, 1080 is definitely noticeably better.

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yotsuya said:

Disco_Lobot said:

I laugh at people buying 4K TVs… your eyes are almost certainly not good enough to tell the difference in the vast majority of viewing scenarios. Total waste of money

http://bgr.com/2015/09/18/720p-vs-1080p-vs-4k-resolution/

If we were just talking about the absolute resolution, you are right. At my normal viewing distance I can’t tell the difference between 720 and 1080. I’m certainly not going to see much improvement from a 4k screen. But it isn’t just the resolution. The more pixels you have to display the image data, the better the image looks. The pixels start to disappear and be truly invisible. I’ve known this about printing for years, but when you apply it to video, it really helps the realism of the image, even if you are watching a 480 DVD. With the proper hardware, everything will look better on a 4k screen, even if you never get a UHD player or media.

My dad has a 43 inch 4K TV and DVDs look horrendous.

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Wazzles said:

yotsuya said:

Disco_Lobot said:

I laugh at people buying 4K TVs… your eyes are almost certainly not good enough to tell the difference in the vast majority of viewing scenarios. Total waste of money

http://bgr.com/2015/09/18/720p-vs-1080p-vs-4k-resolution/

If we were just talking about the absolute resolution, you are right. At my normal viewing distance I can’t tell the difference between 720 and 1080. I’m certainly not going to see much improvement from a 4k screen. But it isn’t just the resolution. The more pixels you have to display the image data, the better the image looks. The pixels start to disappear and be truly invisible. I’ve known this about printing for years, but when you apply it to video, it really helps the realism of the image, even if you are watching a 480 DVD. With the proper hardware, everything will look better on a 4k screen, even if you never get a UHD player or media.

My dad has a 43 inch 4K TV and DVDs look horrendous.

Often, if you turn off all that image enhacent crap, lower quality sources like dvd actually look better. I have a 51" 1080p plasma tv, and i think DVD’s look pretty damn good if they were authored at high bitrate. a bit soft, but good.

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The best TV I have in my house is a 13 year old, 42" Panasonic 480p plasma EDTV. Everything looks great on it: 1080p blu-rays are scaled down and look great, 1080i HDTV looks fantastic, DVDs look awesome at their native resolution and even old, lower quality, 512x218 DIVX/XVID AVIs and standard definition TV channels are watchable. Also in the house are a later 32" 720p Panasonic LCD TV and 50" 1080p Smart TV by LG that I was going to use to replace the old EDTV, but it’s just not as good.

When all my content is 4k, I’ll want a 4K TV, but for now, that 480p is great because scaling down always works better than scaling up…

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Williarob said:

The best TV I have in my house is a 13 year old, 42" Panasonic 480p plasma EDTV. Everything looks great on it: 1080p blu-rays are scaled down and look great, 1080i HDTV looks fantastic, DVDs look awesome at their native resolution and even old, lower quality, 512x218 DIVX/XVID AVIs and standard definition TV channels are watchable. Also in the house are a later 32" 720p Panasonic LCD TV and 50" 1080p Smart TV by LG that I was going to use to replace the old EDTV, but it’s just not as good.

When all my content is 4k, I’ll want a 4K TV, but for now, that 480p is great because scaling down always works better than scaling up…

I owned that TV for a while! Until I decided to take it to my friends house to play God of War 2 on his Playstation 2. Apparently, leaning those against the wall is a bad idea, because after I went home to take a nap, my friend called me in a panic “I just… It just… I’m so sorry brother your TV fell over and the glass is smashed to pieces.”

Honest to God, I don’t know what got into my wife but after a few months she bought me the 50" Panasonic at 720p, and I’m STILL running that.

But if I had $4000 I’d drop it on a 65" LG 4K OLED in a heartbeat. TRUE black, and with 4K you can be inches away from the TV and not lose detail! So immersive!

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I wouldn’t go out and buy a 4k tv just because I wanted 4k, but if I needed a new tv, why wouldn’t I buy a 4k?

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Williarob said:

Yeah, the blacks are not even close to black on the the plasma.

That seems odd to me, perhaps it is an age thing related to your specific tv. but isn’t deep blacks one of the things plasma does better than lcd?

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dahmage said:

Williarob said:

Yeah, the blacks are not even close to black on the the plasma.

That seems odd to me, perhaps it is an age thing related to your specific tv. but isn’t deep blacks one of the things plasma does better than lcd?

You’re missing a generation in the middle. Old school LCD’s were TERRIBAD at blacks, the best they could do was a glowing blue/gray. But then the TV makers figured out they could divide the backlighting into zones and once they got good at it, blacks got MUCH better on LCD’s.

Panasonic was known for it’s “deepest blacks of any plamsa” but no, plasma blacks aren’t quite true black. Though they are good enough that you have the lights in the room completely off to notice an issue.

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Could just be that after 13 years it’s a bit faded. Could also be that adjusting the settings would help - I probably haven’t done that since I bought it in 2004! Perhaps I’ll try that tonight.

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Williarob said:

Could just be that after 13 years it’s a bit faded. Could also be that adjusting the settings would help - I probably haven’t done that since I bought it in 2004! Perhaps I’ll try that tonight.

The brightness of plasma’s fade with time… at 13 years it’s less than half as bright as it was the day you opened it. 😦

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Wazzles said:

yotsuya said:

Disco_Lobot said:

I laugh at people buying 4K TVs… your eyes are almost certainly not good enough to tell the difference in the vast majority of viewing scenarios. Total waste of money

http://bgr.com/2015/09/18/720p-vs-1080p-vs-4k-resolution/

If we were just talking about the absolute resolution, you are right. At my normal viewing distance I can’t tell the difference between 720 and 1080. I’m certainly not going to see much improvement from a 4k screen. But it isn’t just the resolution. The more pixels you have to display the image data, the better the image looks. The pixels start to disappear and be truly invisible. I’ve known this about printing for years, but when you apply it to video, it really helps the realism of the image, even if you are watching a 480 DVD. With the proper hardware, everything will look better on a 4k screen, even if you never get a UHD player or media.

My dad has a 43 inch 4K TV and DVDs look horrendous.

It definitely varies by TV. Rtings.com has an SD category in their ratings, and some 4K TVs do a fine job, while others are pretty miserable. It also depends on the DVD player, of course. Something with composite output or a PS3 via HDMI? etc.

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TV’s Frink said:

I wouldn’t go out and buy a 4k tv just because I wanted 4k, but if I needed a new tv, why wouldn’t I buy a 4k?

Because you can get an extra 10-15" for the same money if you go 1080p. That was my rationale six months ago, anyway.

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towne32 said:

Wazzles said:

yotsuya said:

Disco_Lobot said:

I laugh at people buying 4K TVs… your eyes are almost certainly not good enough to tell the difference in the vast majority of viewing scenarios. Total waste of money

http://bgr.com/2015/09/18/720p-vs-1080p-vs-4k-resolution/

If we were just talking about the absolute resolution, you are right. At my normal viewing distance I can’t tell the difference between 720 and 1080. I’m certainly not going to see much improvement from a 4k screen. But it isn’t just the resolution. The more pixels you have to display the image data, the better the image looks. The pixels start to disappear and be truly invisible. I’ve known this about printing for years, but when you apply it to video, it really helps the realism of the image, even if you are watching a 480 DVD. With the proper hardware, everything will look better on a 4k screen, even if you never get a UHD player or media.

My dad has a 43 inch 4K TV and DVDs look horrendous.

It definitely varies by TV. Rtings.com has an SD category in their ratings, and some 4K TVs do a fine job, while others are pretty miserable. It also depends on the DVD player, of course. Something with composite output or a PS3 via HDMI? etc.

Even blu-ray can look terrible on the newer TVs if the settings are all cranked up to eleven.

A little over a year ago I was at a Best Buy where they were playing Captain America: The Winter Soldier on a 4k tv (it was an lg lcd iirc) with what must have been the out-of-the-box settings. It looked truly horrendous.

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joefavs said:

TV’s Frink said:

I wouldn’t go out and buy a 4k tv just because I wanted 4k, but if I needed a new tv, why wouldn’t I buy a 4k?

Because you can get an extra 10-15" for the same money if you go 1080p. That was my rationale six months ago, anyway.

When I comparison shopped last year the prices were pretty similar.

[shrug]

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dahmage said:

Wazzles said:

yotsuya said:

Disco_Lobot said:

I laugh at people buying 4K TVs… your eyes are almost certainly not good enough to tell the difference in the vast majority of viewing scenarios. Total waste of money

http://bgr.com/2015/09/18/720p-vs-1080p-vs-4k-resolution/

If we were just talking about the absolute resolution, you are right. At my normal viewing distance I can’t tell the difference between 720 and 1080. I’m certainly not going to see much improvement from a 4k screen. But it isn’t just the resolution. The more pixels you have to display the image data, the better the image looks. The pixels start to disappear and be truly invisible. I’ve known this about printing for years, but when you apply it to video, it really helps the realism of the image, even if you are watching a 480 DVD. With the proper hardware, everything will look better on a 4k screen, even if you never get a UHD player or media.

My dad has a 43 inch 4K TV and DVDs look horrendous.

Often, if you turn off all that image enhacent crap, lower quality sources like dvd actually look better. I have a 51" 1080p plasma tv, and i think DVD’s look pretty damn good if they were authored at high bitrate. a bit soft, but good.

I have a 40 inch 1080p and DVDs look great unless I’m directly comparing them to Blu Rays. I honestly believe that 4k as a resolution is simply too high for a TV. As far as projecting goes, I’m sure it’s great, but when you’re watching 480i-1080p content from a 40-60 inch TV and sitting about 10-12 feet away, it seems unnecessary.

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Fang Zei said:

towne32 said:

Wazzles said:

yotsuya said:

Disco_Lobot said:

I laugh at people buying 4K TVs… your eyes are almost certainly not good enough to tell the difference in the vast majority of viewing scenarios. Total waste of money

http://bgr.com/2015/09/18/720p-vs-1080p-vs-4k-resolution/

If we were just talking about the absolute resolution, you are right. At my normal viewing distance I can’t tell the difference between 720 and 1080. I’m certainly not going to see much improvement from a 4k screen. But it isn’t just the resolution. The more pixels you have to display the image data, the better the image looks. The pixels start to disappear and be truly invisible. I’ve known this about printing for years, but when you apply it to video, it really helps the realism of the image, even if you are watching a 480 DVD. With the proper hardware, everything will look better on a 4k screen, even if you never get a UHD player or media.

My dad has a 43 inch 4K TV and DVDs look horrendous.

It definitely varies by TV. Rtings.com has an SD category in their ratings, and some 4K TVs do a fine job, while others are pretty miserable. It also depends on the DVD player, of course. Something with composite output or a PS3 via HDMI? etc.

Even blu-ray can look terrible on the newer TVs if the settings are all cranked up to eleven.

A little over a year ago I was at a Best Buy where they were playing Captain America: The Winter Soldier on a 4k tv (it was an lg lcd iirc) with what must have been the out-of-the-box settings. It looked truly horrendous.

Oh, absolutely. I’ve got friends who are completely ignorant about audio/visual types of matters. And some of them will say that they “hate HD” because the picture looks terrible and unrealistic. I’ll ask them how they feel about the picture quality on their 1080p laptops and in movie theaters, and of course they think it’s great. But they’re familiar with HDTV meaning shitty interpolated motion, oversharpening, and the host of other features that people will turn on (or, often are turned on by default).

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towne32 said:

Fang Zei said:

towne32 said:

Wazzles said:

yotsuya said:

Disco_Lobot said:

I laugh at people buying 4K TVs… your eyes are almost certainly not good enough to tell the difference in the vast majority of viewing scenarios. Total waste of money

http://bgr.com/2015/09/18/720p-vs-1080p-vs-4k-resolution/

If we were just talking about the absolute resolution, you are right. At my normal viewing distance I can’t tell the difference between 720 and 1080. I’m certainly not going to see much improvement from a 4k screen. But it isn’t just the resolution. The more pixels you have to display the image data, the better the image looks. The pixels start to disappear and be truly invisible. I’ve known this about printing for years, but when you apply it to video, it really helps the realism of the image, even if you are watching a 480 DVD. With the proper hardware, everything will look better on a 4k screen, even if you never get a UHD player or media.

My dad has a 43 inch 4K TV and DVDs look horrendous.

It definitely varies by TV. Rtings.com has an SD category in their ratings, and some 4K TVs do a fine job, while others are pretty miserable. It also depends on the DVD player, of course. Something with composite output or a PS3 via HDMI? etc.

Even blu-ray can look terrible on the newer TVs if the settings are all cranked up to eleven.

A little over a year ago I was at a Best Buy where they were playing Captain America: The Winter Soldier on a 4k tv (it was an lg lcd iirc) with what must have been the out-of-the-box settings. It looked truly horrendous.

Oh, absolutely. I’ve got friends who are completely ignorant about audio/visual types of matters. And some of them will say that they “hate HD” because the picture looks terrible and unrealistic. I’ll ask them how they feel about the picture quality on their 1080p laptops and in movie theaters, and of course they think it’s great. But they’re familiar with HDTV meaning shitty interpolated motion, oversharpening, and the host of other features that people will turn on (or, often are turned on by default).

This happened with a friend of mine. I was talking about blu-ray and she asked if it was supposed to be better because she was watching one of the Harry Potter movies on blu-ray at her parents’ place and it “looked like home movies.” After thinking about it for a few seconds I was like “ohhh, I know what you’re talking about” and realized she was talking about the motion smoothing on the tv and not the resolution of the format itself.