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Also, if Disney and FOX weren’t interested in the original version of Star Wars, why setup a meeting with Mike Verta? Both parties sounded pretty interested to me

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nickyd47 said:

Also, if Disney and FOX weren’t interested in the original version of Star Wars, why setup a meeting with Mike Verta? Both parties sounded pretty interested to me

None of us know how true that information is

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digitalfreaknyc said:

nickyd47 said:

Also, if Disney and FOX weren’t interested in the original version of Star Wars, why setup a meeting with Mike Verta? Both parties sounded pretty interested to me

None of us know how true that information is

I trust Mike Verta

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Trusting Mike has nothing to do with it, he never said anything about the motivations behind any party in the meeting. Literally all we know is that there was supposed to be presentation or something like that a few months ago, and he has maintained radio silence for nearly six months on the subject. Everything beyond that is pure guesswork.

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I wonder why he went silent
Is it a sign of something or did life get in the way?

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nickyd47 said:

I wonder why he went silent
Is it a sign of something or did life get in the way?

I wouldn’t be surprised if this meeting required him to go under an NDA, even if they weren’t planning on anything.

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NeverarGreat said:

Depheros said:

joefavs said:

DrDre said:
Practically nobody is interested in a special special edition.

Based on Reddit, more people are interested in this than the OUT. Every time I see the subject of the different cuts come up anywhere other than here, someone inevitably says some variation of “the unaltered versions would be nice, but I’d rather they just get rid of the bad changes and update the CGI for the rest so that it will match the new movies”, and then everyone else upvotes it.

This is why I can’t stand the Star Wars reddit. It’s full of PT and SE worshippers who won’t stop posting about their tattoos and stick figure families. I see tons of people on there saying “most of the changes were great, just get rid of Greedo shooting and it will be perfect.”

I can understand their sentiment. After all, with Mike Verta’s project completed the original Star Wars has been well restored, and the original elements to the other two are in far better shape. The OOT will eventually be released, if not by Disney then by obsessive fans. If Disney wants to completely update the SE for a new generation, that would be par for the course with what we’ve gotten previously and continue the tradition of trying to keep these films relevant to the masses. It’s actually a fascinating experiment which has been going on since '77, and a part of me is saddened that Disney won’t continue that. I suspect that if there weren’t constant revisions, The OT would be increasingly be seen as a cultural artifact today, rather than a part of an ongoing story. The only reason I’m against the SE is that the OOT isn’t officially available.

Right, I agree. I think the SE has it’s place for people who like that sort of thing. I just get annoyed with users who call you a loser fanboy and downvote you into oblivion for liking the originals, because the Special Editions are OBVIOUSLY superior.

“Always in motion is the future” 🌌

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Fang Zei said:

So why the hell is this still happening, anyway? First the amazon thing and now disney.

Disney doesn’t consider them the special editions. They consider them the only editions.

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flametitan said:

nickyd47 said:

I wonder why he went silent
Is it a sign of something or did life get in the way?

I wouldn’t be surprised if this meeting required him to go under an NDA, even if they weren’t planning on anything.

This seems possible. It definitely appears that this is not simply a case of Mike being too busy. His last update about a possible February presentation came in November, and he has since ignored all Legacy-related questions on the message boards, his social media accounts, vimeo/youtube comments, etc, whereas he would normally have responded to these questions in the past at least on a semi-regular basis.

“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas

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flametitan said:

nickyd47 said:

I wonder why he went silent
Is it a sign of something or did life get in the way?

I wouldn’t be surprised if this meeting required him to go under an NDA, even if they weren’t planning on anything.

I think this is likely.

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Does anyone know what Mike Verta is using for his restoration? Is he working from a film print, or does he have access to the original negatives?

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The negative is just a rehash unfortunately

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Cthulhunicron said:

Does anyone know what Mike Verta is using for his restoration? Is he working from a film print, or does he have access to the original negatives?

I don’t know his source, some others here might, but I know he doesn’t have access to the negative. He’s a professional though with very sophisticated tools and expertise for digitally cleaning up whatever source he is working with. He did some demonstration videos on his site if you check them out.

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And Lucasfilm is aware of what he’s doing? I guess I’m not just not exactly sure what the difference is between this project and the restoration done by Team Negative or Harmy.

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Cthulhunicron said:

And Lucasfilm is aware of what he’s doing? I guess I’m not just not exactly sure what the difference is between this project and the restoration done by Team Negative or Harmy.

Mike is a professional with expensive, professional equipment and the know-how to use it. He has connections and access to better sources, on the condition that he didn’t release them to the public without consent.

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Alderaan said:

Mike is a professional with expensive, professional equipment and the know-how to use it. He has connections and access to better sources, on the condition that he didn’t release them to the public without consent.

This. Whereas our finest minds here on OT are doing something of dubious legality by editing the released films (made even more muddy by releasing them afterwards), Mike is completely within the law, working as a licensed professional who never intends to do anything with his product without the express approval of those who own the rights to it. There’s more than a few self-serving people who are salty at that prospect, but I for one rest a little easier knowing that somewhere out there, there’s a glorious pristine edition of Star Wars just waiting to be released by the books.

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DrDre said:

Alderaan said:

JawsTDS said:

Imagine being this pretentious…

Imagine liking the prequels or the SEs.

Or the Disney movies, for that matter.

I like the Disney movies. I think TFA is good, and found RO entertaining. So, what’s it to you?

I enjoy the Special Edition Trilogy for what it is. I too enjoyed TFA and RO for similar reasons. They may not be entirely old school but movies are supposed to entertain not define a person who watches them and that’s all I got.

😃

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Jetrell Fo said:

DrDre said:

Alderaan said:

JawsTDS said:

Imagine being this pretentious…

Imagine liking the prequels or the SEs.

Or the Disney movies, for that matter.

I like the Disney movies. I think TFA is good, and found RO entertaining. So, what’s it to you?

I enjoy the Special Edition Trilogy for what it is. I too enjoyed TFA and RO for similar reasons. They may not be entirely old school but movies are supposed to entertain not define a person who watches them and that’s all I got.

😃

I have mixed feelings. I like the recomps and SOME of the new cgi, and I also like Ian in empire strikes back. But other than the new ending to ROTJ I pretty much hate everything that changes the runtime. Some of the cgi is good (death star attack in a new hope), but some is bad. (Everything in mos eisley in a new hope, the new cloud city approach in esb. I also hate the sarlaac ball in rotj but not because the cgi is bad I just don’t care for it it’s silly.)

The 2011 colors don’t bother me either. And the new sound mix for esb and rotj sound fantastic as well, but sadly anh, while slightly better than 2004, still sounds garbage for the inconsistent dialogue. (Example that always sticks out to me from 04 that they didn’t fix in 11 is the trash compactor scene where Han says “absolutely your worship”. Goes from garbage to crystal clear in one sentence, I’d rather it all be medium) so I think the 1997 sound mix is the best a new hope ever sounded.

Personally I watch a semi specialized version of all 3 that I cooked up myself as a warm up to doing my return of the Jedi edit.

Shit this was way off topic. Sorry, jfs post just brought all this to my mind.

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Cthulhunicron said:

Does anyone know what Mike Verta is using for his restoration? Is he working from a film print, or does he have access to the original negatives?

He’s probably got the single largest library of print scans among any of us. I want to say a couple of the scans here have either been handled by him, or he’s at least physically interacted with the Spanish Print that the SSE uses. I don’t remember the details, I just know there was some controversy between him and TN1 because of these scans.

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Lust-In-Phaze said:

Alderaan said:

Mike is a professional with expensive, professional equipment and the know-how to use it. He has connections and access to better sources, on the condition that he didn’t release them to the public without consent.

This. Whereas our finest minds here on OT are doing something of dubious legality by editing the released films (made even more muddy by releasing them afterwards), Mike is completely within the law, working as a licensed professional who never intends to do anything with his product without the express approval of those who own the rights to it. There’s more than a few self-serving people who are salty at that prospect, but I for one rest a little easier knowing that somewhere out there, there’s a glorious pristine edition of Star Wars just waiting to be released by the books.

So why does Lucasfilm know about his restoration if he doesn’t plan on releasing it?

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He would like to release it as an official product.

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Pretty obvious at this point that will never happen.

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Never say never. 😉

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