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Originally posted by: Bossk
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Originally posted by: Asha
And we know that Anakin made love to Padme because, when he was informed that she was pregnant, he didn't squeal, "That can't be! We never did the nasty! Are you sure it's mine?"


"You filthy whore!"

Sorry, I just couldn't resist.


Padme: "Anakin, I'm pregnant..."
* Obi-Wan comes back *
OBI-WAN: "Oh, Anakin, I almost forgot. Your sperm count test result arrived, you can't have children. Gotta go..." *leaves *
*Anakin force chokes Padmé *
ANAKIN: You intergalactical whore! How could you! *Padme dies *
ANAKIN: But... who could be the father...?
* cuts to Wicket the Ewok on bed with Padme, goes back to Anakin *
ANAKIN: Ah, who cares anyway.
* Palpatine comes in *
PALPATINE: Anakin you idiot, you must come to the dark side if you want to save your girlfriend's life!
ANAKIN: Nah, i'ts ok. I break up with her. I actually broke her neck up. She's dead.
PALPATINE: ... Oh. I didn't forsee that. So, uh... is there anyone else's death you wanna avoid?
ANAKIN: Nope.
PALPATINE: Uh... any reason you could be convinced to be a Sith Lord?
ANAKIN: Hmn-hmn, no, I don't think so.
PALPATINE: ... uh... I see... OK. *leaves*

"And so, Anakin never turns into Vader and nothing happens from now on on STAR WARS. The End."
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Do you want me to explain further, or do you see it?



What? You're trying to suggest that six Tatooine months aren't six months, right? Even though you previously inferred I was full of shit when I said that the time frame was established in the book. That's commonly known as "grasping at straws when you've been proven wrong."

We know from Empire Strikes Back that Luke was able to hone his own skills quite well without formal training ... since he was able to levitate his lightsaber in the Wampa cave (something he was unable to do in Star Wars). We know that Luke wasn't taught to build a lightsaber by Yoda because he's still using his father's saber at the end of Empire and he didn't have a spare on "hand." His training wasn't complete when he left Yoda ... it's easier to believe that he taught himself how to build the saber because he's a smart cookie than it is to believe that Yoda taught him to build a lightsaber that never appears ANYWHERE.

It's kinda cute, though, how my disappointment with Revenge of the Sith is, to you, an attempt at ruining the film. To you, this disappointment requires work. Conversely, the way I see it, enjoying these prequel films requires far more labor.


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Oh yes, another thing I noticed the second time around.

People kept complaining about Anakin turning to the dark side way to quickly, which I admit, the first time it did seem awkward.

But now I realise that, after all the building up, and the way Anakin's head works, it's really no surprise that he went so quickly.

Allow me to explain: In Episode 2, which takes place 3 years before Episode 3, we can already clearly see that Anakin is becoming evil. He basically has all the personallity traits that will lead to the dark side. He's cocky, sarcastic, rude, angry, afraid and he has one creepy temper.

In the Clone Wars cartoon, we can see even more that he's going to the dark side. Again, he has all the personallity traits, and you can actually tell they're getting worse. Then, he goes into a furious rage on Yavin 4 where he kills what's her name (the Sith assassin). And then in the second season of Clone Wars, you see how the lie of him and Padme is tearing him apart inside. He wants to shout their love from the roof tops, but knows if he does that, he'll not only ruin his life, but her's aswell.

Now, his mother has died, he's living a lie, he already has a pretty screwed up personallity, he's very angry and frustrated and he's already very close to turning to the dark side on his own, without Palpatine's help.

It's obvious how Anakin thinks. Padme is the number one thing on his mind at all times. Remember one of the first things he says in Episode 2? He thought about her every day the entire time they were apart. He's always thinking of her. Another thing he's always thinking about and wanting is power. He's always talking about how he should be better, and how he should be stronger. He wants to be better than all the other Jedi.

So, if we take all this into consideration, when the fear of losing the main thing he cares about comes into the picture, and he's being lied to and manipulated by Palpatine and the very strong powers of the dark side (I remind you that Luke almost fell to the dark side aswell, when he cut off Vader's arm in his fit of rage), it's really no surprise at all that he'd do anything to get the power he wants and feels he needs. Then once he's submitted to the dark side, it just eats him up right away and makes him do things he never would of wanted to do. Once Anakin puts on the leash, Palpatine takes him for a long, long walk.
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Isn't it kind of strange that in The Clone Wars, there's this cave where these Jedi build lightsabers from crystals? I thought as part of your Jedi training, you were required to build one yourself?
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Originally posted by: Jaster Mareel
In regards to the "High ground/Anakin jumping" debate:

Also during my second viewing, I noticed that the Death Star actually looked a lot more complete than I had originally thought. So I now am leaning more towards the side saying it shouldn't of been shown. Though, the point by Ric does make sense.


I have to agree. Considering how long the 2nd Death Star took, the 1st couldn't have taken 20 years (how old is Luke supposed to be in ANH???) Anyhow, I think just like C3PO and R2 and Chewbacca and even Bobba Fett, stuff like that was thrown in as kinda a jack-off nod to the OT.
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Originally posted by: Anakin's Mannequin
Isn't it kind of strange that in The Clone Wars, there's this cave where these Jedi build lightsabers from crystals? I thought as part of your Jedi training, you were required to build one yourself?


No. That's just the cave where the crystals that give the lightsabers their energy are located... That's what was happening, the Padawan created a Lightsaber from those crystals and then her training was complete.

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I have to agree. Considering how long the 2nd Death Star took, the 1st couldn't have taken 20 years (how old is Luke supposed to be in ANH???) Anyhow, I think just like C3PO and R2 and Chewbacca and even Bobba Fett, stuff like that was thrown in as kinda a jack-off nod to the OT.

I didn't like C-3PO or R2-D2 in the PT. But at least C-3PO had a smaller roll in Episode III. Chewbaca, I honestly didn't mind because that one made sense... It just didn't fit into the story to have R2 and C-3PO.

And, having Boba Fett in episode 2 was, in my opinion, the WORST idea GL has EVER had. In my head, Boba Fett will ALWAYS be Jaster Mereel, and not some moronic clone kid.
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Originally posted by: Jaster Mareel
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Originally posted by: Anakin's Mannequin
I didn't like C-3PO or R2-D2 in the PT. But at least C-3PO had a smaller roll in Episode III. Chewbaca, I honestly didn't mind because that one made sense... It just didn't fit into the story to have R2 and C-3PO.

And, having Boba Fett in episode 2 was, in my opinion, the WORST idea GL has EVER had. In my head, Boba Fett will ALWAYS be Jaster Mereel, and not some moronic clone kid.


Exactly. What a jack-off. Clone Troopers eventually become Stormtroopers = awesome. All the Clones were Bobba Fett's dad? Dumb. The mystery of Bobba Fett made him such a great character in the OT.

But what was worse for is that 5th grade Darth Vader BUILT C3PO from his damn lincoln logs set in his desert hut. That was just plain lame.
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So complaining about the high ground thing is pretty dumb, because it's obvious the way it was meant to be taken...


I disagree ... again, at best it's just a poor choice of dialogue ... a weak handshake at a pivotal moment. Yes, we already know Kenobi doesn't really want to be fighting Anakin. It's just that Ben's "higher ground" advantage here is dramatically lacking ...

It's certainly not my biggest problem with the ending; it's one gripe in a boiling lava pit of climactic plot problems.

My biggest issue is the fact that Ben left Anakin to suffer horribly and die. That sucks. It would have been cooler had Ben offered a hand to Anakin ... "come with me back to the light side," and Anakin refused, screaming, "No. I hate you!" Like Luke chose to fall in Bespin, Anakin actively would have chosen the painful path of the dark side by refusing Ben's hand. And that's why Ben would have been convinced that there was no good left in Vader. "Obi-wan once thought as you do."

Re: Boba Fett in clones ..... yeah, that remains unforgivably lame.


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I dissagree with you about the high ground thing. I still think that's fine...

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My biggest issue is the fact that Ben left Anakin to suffer horribly and die. That sucks. It would have been cooler had Ben offered a hand to Anakin ... "come with me back to the light side," and Anakin refused, screaming, "No. I hate you!" Like Luke chose to fall in Bespin, Anakin actively would have chosen the painful path of the dark side by refusing Ben's hand. And that's why Ben would have been convinced that there was no good left in Vader. "Obi-wan once thought as you do."


But that actually would have been a really cool thing to see. I agree with you, the scene would of been much better if they had something along those lines at the end.
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Originally posted by: HotRod
Well I liked the film..Seen it twice, and got all emotional both times.
If you guys didn't well up at the last 5 mins of the film...Well you have no souls!!
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maybe that's my problem...

No, I must have a soul. A tear comes to my eye when I watch a video summary of the 1996 Green Bay Packers season (the year they won the Super Bowl). Watching those guys march out of the tunnel at the Louisiana Superdome with the music they (the video producers) picked...it is one of my emotional weaknesses.
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LOL

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
i find it funny that although i didnt like this movie i can admit what i did like and what things were done well...

however when we make a comment about how something was done bad in this movie... people are just jumping in with explanations left and right trying to back up what was seen onscreen.... lol

maybe it was just a mistake...???
could that be it?

does everything have to have a explanation?


No, but if there is a logical explanation, wouldn't it be smart to talk about it on a message board? I mean, we could ignore logical explanations and pile on Lucas, but that doesn't make much sense.


right... and coming up with explanations that will never be proven right or wrong is??
might as well just try and find then last digit in Pi...


i think its safe to call this thread... "Back up Lucas' mistakes with excuses"
i think it makes just as much sense as people giving their views on the movie even if they are negative...
OH WAIT they're not the same at all...
lol
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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What I find funny is the people who "loved" the film and have the same gripes as the people who "hated" the film. There's nothing at all wrong with just liking or not liking it, folks!

Famous over-justifications:

"That Titanic was a great ship.. you know, except for the whole sinking thing"

"Man, I loved that dinner... well except for the roach I found on my plate"

"How could you *not* have loved the early 1940s? That 'World War' didn't bother me at all"
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The lack of imagination in these threads is disturbing..
So GL goes digital and now, if it isn't spoon feed, it's belly-aching time.

Yeah, there are flaws.
I'll sit and wait around while each complainer puts together their own production studio to fix them up.
But for now, I'll just watch enjoy it as a whole and fill in the rest.. just like I did when I play with my figures as a kid.


Even if it was perfect, someone would be upset.
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What I find funny is the people who "loved" the film and have the same gripes as the people who "hated" the film. There's nothing at all wrong with just liking or not liking it, folks!

Famous over-justifications:

"That Titanic was a great ship.. you know, except for the whole sinking thing"

"Man, I loved that dinner... well except for the roach I found on my plate"

"How could you *not* have loved the early 1940s? That 'World War' didn't bother me at all"


The movie really was great. I had far more things on my "that was cool" list than my "gripes" list. But I took the meaning of this topic to be discussing the errors in the film.

If people were talking about how cool the movie was, I'd be right there with 'em. But aslong as other people are debating the mistakes and plotholes, I might aswell join them aswell.

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right... and coming up with explanations that will never be proven right or wrong is??
might as well just try and find then last digit in Pi...


i think its safe to call this thread... "Back up Lucas' mistakes with excuses"
i think it makes just as much sense as people giving their views on the movie even if they are negative...
OH WAIT they're not the same at all...
lol


Nobody is "backing up Lucas' mistakes with excuses." We're merely debating other ways he could have done it, or why he did it the way he did. Also, we're tyring to figure out various things that could have caused other various things.

It's not excuses, because everyone knows what their saying will never be proven right or wrong. It's just a debate about what was going on. If we were talking this way about any movies besides the PT or SE versions, you wouldn't feel the same way. Think about how many times you've come out of a movie and talked with your friends/family about why a character did something he did, or why a director decided to do something the way he did... Well, that's all we're doing here.
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Two things. One, Obi Wan could not kill Anakin at that point, because Anakin was defenseless. Two, has anyone here ever seen a Douglas Fairbanks or Erroll Flynn film here? If so, Obi Wan's gesturing and 'high ground' comment are great homages to the swashbucklers found in those films.
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HERE'S THE PART WHERE I REALLY LOST IT AND LET OUT A SIGH OF DISGUST:

Where Anakin and Obi-Wan are fighting (and surfing atop the lava) towards the end. Anakin says something about the Jedi being evil. Obi-Wan counters with some blah blah blah. And then Anakin goes: "Not from my point of view." That had to be one of the worst placed lines ever. Even fighting, their dialogue sounded like a high school debate club.
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
Two things. One, Obi Wan could not kill Anakin at that point, because Anakin was defenseless. Two, has anyone here ever seen a Douglas Fairbanks or Erroll Flynn film here? If so, Obi Wan's gesturing and 'high ground' comment are great homages to the swashbucklers found in those films.


Just say "NOOOOO" to homages!

Again, though: seeing how the laws of gravity rarely apply to Jedi, why the heck would "high ground" mean anything? It's never affected anything before ... quite the opposite. It's just a silly example of Lucas' trying to tell something (badly) he should have simply shown. The more I think about it, the more I realize that the very fact the line of dialogue was uttered at all means Lucas needed to re-write that scene.



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Originally posted by: Itchy
HERE'S THE PART WHERE I REALLY LOST IT AND LET OUT A SIGH OF DISGUST:

Where Anakin and Obi-Wan are fighting (and surfing atop the lava) towards the end. Anakin says something about the Jedi being evil. Obi-Wan counters with some blah blah blah. And then Anakin goes: "Not from my point of view." That had to be one of the worst placed lines ever. Even fighting, their dialogue sounded like a high school debate club.


The exact lines are:

Obi-wan: "I have failed you Anakin... I have failed you."
Anakin: "I should of known the Jedi were plotting to take over!"
Obi-wan: "Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil!"
Anakin: "From my point of view the Jedi are evil!"
Obi-wan: "Well then you are lost!"

Then Anaking goes on about how he's going to kill Obi-wan and they get right back into fighting.

I don't think it's the lines that were messed up... One of the ways Palpatine manipulated Anakin was by telling him how the Sith and Jedi just have "different points of view." It's the way that Christensen said the line that makes it sound out of place.
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I thought the line was reasonably well done and was a logical response to Ben's line, I don't know what you guys are talking about.
"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter evenings."
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Saw the movie last night and god was it awful. The f@#!ing movie looks like a cartoon 90% of the time. This is what GL and fans wanted a practically whole cgi movie? gimme a break. And please stop with any comparisons of the original OT with these PT garbage, there is no comparison, from here on out I won't even recognize this crap as part of star wars as far as I know, no padme exist, no naboo, no nothing in the PT. Why even have ep I and II, you could have told this whole saga in one movie, the first two movies are so forgettable and just as lame as this last installment. All this small talk of, he said this so this means that and the other is pointless, the whole story sucked, poorly planned, executed, directed the whole thing, so it doesn't matter if you think you can make sense out of it, because the whole PT saga is pointless and lame. I've also read around that people are saying they cried watching a movie for the first time watching this film? you have got to be f@#ing kidding, what movies are you watching? Hey, mebejedi, quit trying to explain this crap and finish the damn xo project, oh nevermind i'm getting the cowclops version. late!

"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."
"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."
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Well, I'm glad you got to vent fans own the trilogy, but you want to talk about how 90% of the film is CGI. In 1977 people I'm sure complained that 90% of the film is special effects. CGI is just the new 'models'.

Also, excellent use of adjectives, but you bring nothing to the conversation by not telling why the story was 'pointless and lame'. Furthermore, what 'All this small talk of"?

And then when I was just about ready to see this as a valid post, you act like a child by insulting MeBeJedi.

"Hey, mebejedi, quit trying to explain this crap and finish the damn xo project, oh nevermind i'm getting the cowclops version. late!"

So now, it's pretty apparent that you came in here to be a troll.
The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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I'm sure they didn't, because 90% isn't special effects, you have watched them right? Small talk meaning all the "pointless and lame" of higher ground, and reading into what this character said and what it meant, it doesn't mean anything because the whole PT is "pointless and lame". And mebejedi I'm sure can talk for himself and besides it was just a little ribbing no trolling intended. late!
"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."
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fans own the trilogy, shut up. Thanks.

Nobody's telling you that you have to like it. If we liked it and we want to talk about it with other people, you don't have to be a part of it. It's all just a matter of opinion, so don't come in here shooting your mouth off about how you're right and other people are wrong. I've talked to lots of people who haven't liked it, and it didn't matter. I liked it, they didn't... So what? But they were all alot more respectful of other people's opinions and weren't acting like a 13 year old.