I’m not bothered by it. I think it’s funny that someone thinks like that
Just wait until you’ve read 1,000 variations on the same post. Kind of like dealing with Malalderscum.
LOL… yes, a movie about space wizards only having the original version available in lower quality versions is exactly like destroying art that is 1000 years old and murdering people.
LOL… I guess the PT nuts are actually right about at least 1 OT fanboy
Kind of
LOL
I’m not bothered by it. I think it’s funny that someone thinks like that
Oh dear, nickyd47, you may have a username that isn’t a hastily chosen and now regrettable pun on a 2014 hit, but your avatar is intolerable to me. I suggest a race around the world.
Starting now
The OT are not just mere films; they have become far more than that in just a mere four hours of content.
Indeed! By now they’ve become closer to six hours.
If this ISIS was still around, we could hire them to “liberate” the negatives. 😉
It’s going to be interesting to see just what film elements they end up using as their starting point when the OOT is inevitably restored in the next several years.
It’s going to be interesting to see just what film elements they end up using as their starting point when the OOT is inevitably restored in the next several years.
And imagine the huge “we told you so” if they wait just a little too long and the original film elements fall apart when they finally touch them.
What exactly does it mean for the negative to be disassembled?
The negative has been conformed to the SE since 1997. George decided to cut the changes directly into the negative because, as far as he was concerned, the SE was the official version of the movie now.
We recently got confirmation from the relevant person at Fox that the pieces of the negative replaced for the SE were indeed put into storage and not discarded.
I think I remember reading on zombie’s website that the negative need not be disassembled to reconstruct the unaltered version. Because a modern restoration would be done digitally anyway, they would simply need to take a scan of the o-neg as it is now, scan in the pieces that got replaced, and rebuild everything in the digital realm.
For further context, the negative is the first-generation source for the footage used in the final cut. They are also without any color timing as that comes later in the process, and unlike a 35mm print, which is a few generations down from the negative, there is only one layer of grain to deal with (this is not the case with SW as there is optical compositing).*
*if I’ve made any mistakes, please correct me.
Would any IPs or separation masters still be usable and around?
Nothing I’m reading here suggests ANY hope for a remastered OOT.
The separation masters are still intact, as are other film elements closer to the o-neg than the theatrical prints.
Robert A. Harris emphasized several years ago that “these assets are well-protected.” If a user on the blu-ray.com forums is to be believed, Disney has been meticulously going through every last piece of Star Wars film material and scanning them in. It’s simply a matter of time … and of timing.
I hate to be eternally negative, but A) why believe this, and B) how much time?! I’m not getting any younger.
Combining the separation masters will not yield the same quality as that which can be derived from a scan (or even a photochemical replication to a first generation interpositive) from the original negative.
A massive chunk of the original negative was lost/damaged beyond repair from the scene where Supes confronts Lex Luther in Superman The Movie.
For the restoration in 1999, they recombined the separation masters to recreate that scene.
But the colors were slightly out of sync and the resolution noticeably compromised.Lucas has already gone on record saying that the separation masters for Star Wars were not preserved correctly(Fox were to blame).
So the original negative is the only salvation for Star Wars.
So we’re fucked, essentially.
Yes we are. It was such a fucking great idea for George to tamper with the restoration with pointless CGI on films HE DID NOT EVEN MAKE when they were already in such bad conditions.
I figured.
“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”
Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death
It’s going to be interesting to see just what film elements they end up using as their starting point when the OOT is inevitably restored in the next several years.
And imagine the huge “we told you so” if they wait just a little too long and the original film elements fall apart when they finally touch them.
They have the separation masters, they may even have a pristine interpositive (first generation copy). And film stock from the seventies doesn’t turn to dust, even after 40 years.
Han: Hey Lando! You kept your promise, right? Not a scratch?
Lando: Well, what’s left of her isn’t scratched. All the scratched parts got knocked off along the way.
Han (exasperated): Knocked off?!
It’s going to be interesting to see just what film elements they end up using as their starting point when the OOT is inevitably restored in the next several years.
And imagine the huge “we told you so” if they wait just a little too long and the original film elements fall apart when they finally touch them.
They have the separation masters, they may even have a pristine interpositive (first generation copy). And film stock from the seventies doesn’t turn to dust, even after 40 years.
I’ll keep my sarcasm in my own way, and I’ll leave you to keep yours in yours.
English is not my first language. I’m not able to detect sarcasm. Or express it.
Han: Hey Lando! You kept your promise, right? Not a scratch?
Lando: Well, what’s left of her isn’t scratched. All the scratched parts got knocked off along the way.
Han (exasperated): Knocked off?!
English is not my first language. I’m not able to detect sarcasm. Or express it.
I said good day, sir!
I was reading up on the Legacy 4K Scan and I’m wondering why Lucasfilm is so afraid of it. They let Despecialized and Silver Screen have free reign. Hundreds of copies sold on ebay. But Verta was told point blank if it gets out, they will go after him.
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
I mean, Verta’s is a way better end product than TN1 or Harmy. SSE can at best be called a remastering and DE is a reconstruction. Legacy is about as close to a true restoration as you can get.
What I’m curious about is how Disney first warned him about not releasing it. Was it randomly brought to their attention?
I was reading up on the Legacy 4K Scan and I’m wondering why Lucasfilm is so afraid of it. They let Despecialized and Silver Screen have free reign. Hundreds of copies sold on ebay. But Verta was told point blank if it gets out, they will go after him.
My understanding is that it has to do with how he got the source material… very different situation supposedly
I was reading up on the Legacy 4K Scan and I’m wondering why Lucasfilm is so afraid of it. They let Despecialized and Silver Screen have free reign. Hundreds of copies sold on ebay. But Verta was told point blank if it gets out, they will go after him.
My understanding is that it has to do with how he got the source material… very different situation supposedly
Right, but … (see: question in my post above)
I was reading up on the Legacy 4K Scan and I’m wondering why Lucasfilm is so afraid of it. They let Despecialized and Silver Screen have free reign. Hundreds of copies sold on ebay. But Verta was told point blank if it gets out, they will go after him.
Mike is doing everything above board–this was an intentional strategic choice of his from the beginning, and it has aggravated a lot of people here (“The best Star Wars preservation you’ll never, ever see!”). He would not be able to get the (unspecified) help from industry professionals if he could not assure them that his preservation will be 100% within the law. As such, he’ll “release” it when the copyright holder permits him to do it, or when the copyright expires. And not a moment sooner. The “threats” are in many ways redundant – the project is built on trust, and Mike would piss off a lot of litigious people by changing his plans now, not just Disney.
Harmy operates on the “no profit, no foul, buy the Blu-rays” principle, which has so far worked. But it’s not as legally sound as Mike’s project. And Silver Screen? Jeeze, -1 has changed his name at least twice and pretended to move to Ecuador (okay, I made that last one up). He’s clearly worried. I’d say needlessly, but nevertheless, he has engaged in an incredibly long and ineffective campaign of covering his tracks.
Disney’s light touch in this respect probably has more to do with the Streisand Effect and pissing off their customers than legal opinion. They aren’t any more hard-ass on Mike than anyone else–they just have a door they can knock on in his case. In fact, he knocked on theirs.
I was reading up on the Legacy 4K Scan and I’m wondering why Lucasfilm is so afraid of it. They let Despecialized and Silver Screen have free reign. Hundreds of copies sold on ebay. But Verta was told point blank if it gets out, they will go after him.
I never heard of this one, so I looked it up… how depressing we can’t have it.
I mean, Verta’s is a way better end product than TN1 or Harmy. SSE can at best be called a remastering and DE is a reconstruction. Legacy is about as close to a true restoration as you can get.
What I’m curious about is how Disney first warned him about not releasing it. Was it randomly brought to their attention?
Remember, Mike has done contract work for Lucasfilm on various projects over the years, so he has lots of contacts there, and he has been very open about Legacy so I’m sure everyone knows about it there.
He said this in the Legacy thread a couple years ago:
I have been told explicitly to expect the FBI should my restoration be released publicly, by friends at LFL who are in a position to know.
“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas
After watching the Kennedy interview, I think when she says ‘those will always remain his’ she was referring to the edits themselves, not the SE’s. Implying she doesn’t want to be associated with the changes at all.
After watching the Kennedy interview, I think when she says ‘those will always remain his’ she was referring to the edits themselves, not the SE’s. Implying she doesn’t want to be associated with the changes at all.
LOL, who would?
After watching the Kennedy interview, I think when she says ‘those will always remain his’ she was referring to the edits themselves, not the SE’s. Implying she doesn’t want to be associated with the changes at all.
LOL, who would?
Rick McCallum?
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
Manbearpig would.
Kennedy’s comments make it sound 100% certain that the OUT is never coming.
“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”
Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death
